Andrew Thomas-OT-Georgia

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Heroism:

That's extremely unlikely at 13. There's always someone wanting to move up, especially in the teens for a QB. The Niners control their asking price. If they don't love someone there, they'll simply lower their asking price. And if nobody truly wanted to trade up even at a lower price, that would mean the league feels the talent in the draft is ass, and they made a huge f**king mistake trading Buckner away for that pick.

The Niners aren't dumb. They believe someone they love will be there at 13, or they'll flip that pick and reload their draft ammunition.

Well they gave up an elite player for #13, they need to get an elite player back. Go too far back and miss out on the 3 elite WRs, 2 elite CBs, and 3 best OL. More picks are great if in more of a rebuild mode, 49ers need plug and play guys. Windows close fast...look at the Rams.

Who are the 2 elite CBs that they miss out on? There is one in this draft and he will be long gone. My guess is there will be one OT remaining and 1 or 2 Wrs that are top prospects that they would miss out on if they moved down a few spots.

Henderson and Okudah, there some analysts that think Henderson may be better. Either way both are in their own tier. Again, elite in regards to this draft....maybe tier1 or best in class would be easier term to swallow.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

I fully understand that's why we drafted a f"ing punter in the 4th round.
I do not agree with there approach, they've done a decent job but they could do a lot better in my opinion.
In the same draft I believe the Vikings,Redskins and Baltimore all drafted there starting tackles AFTER Dante Pettis was drafted.

Yup.

In 2018, the 49ers gave up more to move to 44 for Dante Pettis than the Titans did to move up to 41 for Harold Landry. But Pettis was their guy. Right or wrong, that's how they draft. I'm not the biggest fan of their approach, but it is what it is.

They have been steadily improving their approach. 2017 was a tough draft - Solly is a bust, Foster was decent but got the boot, and Witherspoon had promise but now looks bad. Beathard and Williams were god awful picks. Kittle and Jones were the main highlights. In their defense, Lynch was a new GM and Shanahan was a new HC joining the team after the SB.

2018 was much better - McGlinchey, Warner, Harris and James have significantly contributed. Reed has been a decent role player. Moore needs to be more consistent but showed promise during the SB. Pettis has the highest bust potential, but we'll see how he does in year 3.

2019 really delivered - Bosa, Samuel, Greenlaw, and Skule made significant contributions. Greenlaw played at a high level stepping in for Alexander. Skule had ups and downs, but I think he'll be much better in his second year. Wishnowsky also made good contributions - maybe overdrafted, but MUCH better production and value vs. Pinion's contract he got with the Bucs. Hurd is a mystery, but hopefully he can get back healthy.

So when you look at the trends, I think Shanahan and Lynch realized they shat the bed in their first draft in terms of talent vs. value. And they've optimized their approach in future years - getting better with their approach.

And now with #13 and #31, I have more trust in them to do good trades and really maximize their value.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Henderson and Okudah, there some analysts that think Henderson may be better. Either way both are in their own tier. Again, elite in regards to this draft....maybe tier1 or best in class would be easier term to swallow.

Okudah will be long gone so they arent going to miss out on him by moving down

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Henderson and Okudah, there some analysts that think Henderson may be better. Either way both are in their own tier. Again, elite in regards to this draft....maybe tier1 or best in class would be easier term to swallow.

Okudah will be long gone so they arent going to miss out on him by moving down

Right. Henderson is the other, if they move past 17 they aren't getting him either.

Back to Andrew Thomas...for me, it's either him or Kinlaw, given the latter's likely gone. Thomas could be, too, so that would give Lynch an opportunity to trade out of #13 and get a good haul of picks, while still retaining two 1st rounders. I wonder if Lynch would take Becton, if he's there. Less than two weeks to find out. I really like the fact JL will have plenty of options.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Henderson and Okudah, there some analysts that think Henderson may be better. Either way both are in their own tier. Again, elite in regards to this draft....maybe tier1 or best in class would be easier term to swallow.

The more I've seen of Henderson, the less I feel he is a great fit in this defense. Dude plays soft and soft is an understatement. His lack of aggressiveness and timid approach to tackling should both be major dings against him.

I would look at Fulton and Diggs honestly before looking at Henderson.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

Back to Andrew Thomas...for me, it's either him or Kinlaw, given the latter's likely gone. Thomas could be, too, so that would give Lynch an opportunity to trade out of #13 and get a good haul of picks, while still retaining two 1st rounders. I wonder if Lynch would take Becton, if he's there. Less than two weeks to find out. I really like the fact JL will have plenty of options.

Becton wut?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Henderson and Okudah, there some analysts that think Henderson may be better. Either way both are in their own tier. Again, elite in regards to this draft....maybe tier1 or best in class would be easier term to swallow.

The more I've seen of Henderson, the less I feel he is a great fit in this defense. Dude plays soft and soft is an understatement. His lack of aggressiveness and timid approach to tackling should both be major dings against him.

I would look at Fulton and Diggs honestly before looking at Henderson.

One of the biggest things I like about having Moseley/Williams/Sherm across the field. All of them tackle well.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Henderson and Okudah, there some analysts that think Henderson may be better. Either way both are in their own tier. Again, elite in regards to this draft....maybe tier1 or best in class would be easier term to swallow.

The more I've seen of Henderson, the less I feel he is a great fit in this defense. Dude plays soft and soft is an understatement. His lack of aggressiveness and timid approach to tackling should both be major dings against him.

I would look at Fulton and Diggs honestly before looking at Henderson.

Seems to be in line with a lot of the scouting reports I've read on him

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

I fully understand that's why we drafted a f"ing punter in the 4th round.
I do not agree with there approach, they've done a decent job but they could do a lot better in my opinion.
In the same draft I believe the Vikings,Redskins and Baltimore all drafted there starting tackles AFTER Dante Pettis was drafted.

Yup.

In 2018, the 49ers gave up more to move to 44 for Dante Pettis than the Titans did to move up to 41 for Harold Landry. But Pettis was their guy. Right or wrong, that's how they draft. I'm not the biggest fan of their approach, but it is what it is.

They have been steadily improving their approach. 2017 was a tough draft - Solly is a bust, Foster was decent but got the boot, and Witherspoon had promise but now looks bad. Beathard and Williams were god awful picks. Kittle and Jones were the main highlights. In their defense, Lynch was a new GM and Shanahan was a new HC joining the team after the SB.

2018 was much better - McGlinchey, Warner, Harris and James have significantly contributed. Reed has been a decent role player. Moore needs to be more consistent but showed promise during the SB. Pettis has the highest bust potential, but we'll see how he does in year 3.

2019 really delivered - Bosa, Samuel, Greenlaw, and Skule made significant contributions. Greenlaw played at a high level stepping in for Alexander. Skule had ups and downs, but I think he'll be much better in his second year. Wishnowsky also made good contributions - maybe overdrafted, but MUCH better production and value vs. Pinion's contract he got with the Bucs. Hurd is a mystery, but hopefully he can get back healthy.

So when you look at the trends, I think Shanahan and Lynch realized they shat the bed in their first draft in terms of talent vs. value. And they've optimized their approach in future years - getting better with their approach.

And now with #13 and #31, I have more trust in them to do good trades and really maximize their value.

For me, I care less about value than I do just wanting them to select a legit player that will play at a high level and not disappoint. If they can maximize value WHILE picking the right player (someone who plays up to their draft slot) regardless of how they are perceived right after they are chosen, then that is a double bonus.

Ultimately if they go Thomas I trust they are really high on him and I will happily accept it as LT is a premium position. AMD if Shanny is high on a guy in the next tier of WRs and actually lands him I'm ok with this.

Still want Ruggs though.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Henderson and Okudah, there some analysts that think Henderson may be better. Either way both are in their own tier. Again, elite in regards to this draft....maybe tier1 or best in class would be easier term to swallow.

The more I've seen of Henderson, the less I feel he is a great fit in this defense. Dude plays soft and soft is an understatement. His lack of aggressiveness and timid approach to tackling should both be major dings against him.

I would look at Fulton and Diggs honestly before looking at Henderson.

You're right. He's a better fit in a man-scheme and he is not a willing tackler. I actually do like Fulton quite a bit, and the second round CBs, Gladney and Johnson.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Henderson and Okudah, there some analysts that think Henderson may be better. Either way both are in their own tier. Again, elite in regards to this draft....maybe tier1 or best in class would be easier term to swallow.

The more I've seen of Henderson, the less I feel he is a great fit in this defense. Dude plays soft and soft is an understatement. His lack of aggressiveness and timid approach to tackling should both be major dings against him.

I would look at Fulton and Diggs honestly before looking at Henderson.

You're right. He's a better fit in a man-scheme and he is not a willing tackler. I actually do like Fulton quite a bit, and the second round CBs, Gladney and Johnson.

I'm trying to remember the podcast but they had Crocker on. He thought Henderson actually had the most upside. He did talk about his tackling but saw it more as a consistency issue than a willingness issue (Witherspoon).

He also talked about Jeudy was his #1 but did not the passive issue with contact, alligator arms and the losses on 50/50 balls (Pettis).

Throw in Solomon Thomas.

And you wonder if these players are used as learning lessons going forward for the FO.

Per Albert beer on his newest SI article

The tackles could all be gone by 11, with the Jets and Browns both having needs and sitting right there on the fringe of the top 10. What's interesting is how they're each bringing something different to the table. Becton's a freakish left-side type, with what one scout called "Jason Peters potential." Thomas is solid, and also projects to play on the left, but is unspectacular. Wills is sort of a prototype right tackle, who can swing left. And Wirfs is a very good athlete who everyone sees a little differently (some like him as a guard), and is probably a little more scheme-specific (he'd be best with a zone team) than the others.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Per Albert beer on his newest SI article

The tackles could all be gone by 11, with the Jets and Browns both having needs and sitting right there on the fringe of the top 10. What's interesting is how they're each bringing something different to the table. Becton's a freakish left-side type, with what one scout called "Jason Peters potential." Thomas is solid, and also projects to play on the left, but is unspectacular. Wills is sort of a prototype right tackle, who can swing left. And Wirfs is a very good athlete who everyone sees a little differently (some like him as a guard), and is probably a little more scheme-specific (he'd be best with a zone team) than the others.

Can someone just tell me what we're going to do at 13 already? Taking forever...