If it came down to it, which would you choose and why...............

Shanahan and Lynch are from the school of building the trenches.
There´s a big chance the 13th pick is a DT or an OT.
Say there´s a Jedrick Wills that miraculously falls to 13, you just can´t not draft him.
And I think that Thomas is not so far Wills as a prospect.
Jeudy is a great player but I could see Shanahan thinking "we could take a good WR in the second round".
Again there´s no Julio Jones/AJ Green prospect at the top of the draft.

Give me Heudy who is a rare talent. Staley has another year or two and Brunskill was filling in just fine on the O-line, I have no doubt he could play LT too if needed. Also McGlinchey could immediately slide to LT and Brunskill at RT which could also work too. I thought the weak spot was suppose to be Guard, now all of a sudden everyone is jumping on the Offensive Tackle bandwagon....lol @ the flip flopping. Where was Andrew Thomas two months ago or during the Combine?

Still, Jerry Jeudy baleed dat!!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
WR's are always available, even in FA or trade.

We barely even use WR's except to block which is why Sanders said he was stoked to go to a spread offense in New Orleans for 2 years with Drew Brees...vs. being a run blocker here.

2019: 2nd most rushing attempts & rushing yards. 4th fewest passing attempts [courtesy, eastcoast49ersfan]

We'll still get a WR...just later.

Guards are always available as well.

If we "barely" used WRs then why the s**t have they invested so many draft picks at the position? Why did they try to get OBJ?

Yes let's keep investing later in WR and keep getting guys like Pettis/Hurd/james/Taylor etc it's worked wonders they've shown real promise at getting those second and their tier WRs lol.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with getting a top end WR on a cheap rookie deal that can rock out with Kittle/Deebo. Trade down at 31 and get an upgrade at OG and DT depth.

After the 2020 season evaluate Joe and If he's gone make a play on a LT, it's a stacked class. Or go spend some cash (which we will have a lot of) at LT and CB. Joe's contract would be off the books as well.

IMO that's better than grabbing a OT and throwing him in at RG and hoping he plays well

NY keeping it real!!!

Well said!!!

I am going for Thomas. Regardless of the contents of the Garoppolo thread I see him as a match winner, but he has to be protected and given a little time. The trenches are fundamental and we have spent on the D but very little draft-wise on the O aside from McG.

I like the optimism of those who talk about leaving a 1st round pick on the benches. The injury list over the last few years has been deep and relatively consistent. I think Staley is slowing down and will struggle this year, if we play. No point in having great wide receivers if the qb is lying on the floor looking up at the sky before he can throw it.

Great teams start in the trenches. I take the tackle and, with one of the lower picks I take a guard.

Jeudy

Trade down

Originally posted by English:

I am going for Thomas. Regardless of the contents of the Garoppolo thread I see him as a match winner, but he has to be protected and given a little time. The trenches are fundamental and we have spent on the D but very little draft-wise on the O aside from McG.

I like the optimism of those who talk about leaving a 1st round pick on the benches. The injury list over the last few years has been deep and relatively consistent. I think Staley is slowing down and will struggle this year, if we play. No point in having great wide receivers if the qb is lying on the floor looking up at the sky before he can throw it.

Great teams start in the trenches. I take the tackle and, with one of the lower picks I take a guard.

Preach. Fans forgetting we used 9 of 10 OL 2 years ago and all 8 last year. In this scheme, if you're an OL, you will play in games. Ready or not.

And why does everyone keep saying Jeudy is a rare talent?

Originally posted by English:
I am going for Thomas. Regardless of the contents of the Garoppolo thread I see him as a match winner, but he has to be protected and given a little time. The trenches are fundamental and we have spent on the D but very little draft-wise on the O aside from McG.

I like the optimism of those who talk about leaving a 1st round pick on the benches. The injury list over the last few years has been deep and relatively consistent. I think Staley is slowing down and will struggle this year, if we play. No point in having great wide receivers if the qb is lying on the floor looking up at the sky before he can throw it.

Great teams start in the trenches. I take the tackle and, with one of the lower picks I take a guard.

Agree.
I'm confident that is what will happen too. If Thomas (or other blue chip trenchman is available). If not try to trade down.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

WR's are always available, even in FA or trade.

We barely even use WR's except to block which is why Sanders said he was stoked to go to a spread offense in New Orleans for 2 years with Drew Brees...vs. being a run blocker here.

2019: 2nd most rushing attempts & rushing yards. 4th fewest passing attempts [courtesy, eastcoast49ersfan]

We'll still get a WR...just later.

Guards are always available as well.

If we "barely" used WRs then why the s**t have they invested so many draft picks at the position? Why did they try to get OBJ?

Yes let's keep investing later in WR and keep getting guys like Pettis/Hurd/james/Taylor etc it's worked wonders they've shown real promise at getting those second and their tier WRs lol.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with getting a top end WR on a cheap rookie deal that can rock out with Kittle/Deebo. Trade down at 31 and get an upgrade at OG and DT depth.

After the 2020 season evaluate Joe and If he's gone make a play on a LT, it's a stacked class. Or go spend some cash (which we will have a lot of) at LT and CB. Joe's contract would be off the books as well.

IMO that's better than grabbing a OT and throwing him in at RG and hoping he plays well

NY keeping it real!!!

Well said!!!

Thank dude lol.

It's just funny that we're complaining about pass-pro THEN we're saying we don't pass the ball and never use WRs, so why draft a WR high?

If we're bottom of the league in passing attempts why ya'll worrying about pass-pro .

If the plan is to run it all the way to the SB, then stock up on run-blocking guys which can be had much later in the draft....or we can be honest here, realize that we've spent capital on the WR position (and for the most part failed) tried to bring in OBJ and actually wanted to make the team more balanced.

Grab one of the top 3 WRs and draft a OG to play....OG.

Get a LT in 2021 draft or in the off season the following yr of 2021. They have two yrs to figure that out

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

WR's are always available, even in FA or trade.

We barely even use WR's except to block which is why Sanders said he was stoked to go to a spread offense in New Orleans for 2 years with Drew Brees...vs. being a run blocker here.

2019: 2nd most rushing attempts & rushing yards. 4th fewest passing attempts [courtesy, eastcoast49ersfan]

We'll still get a WR...just later.

Guards are always available as well.

If we "barely" used WRs then why the s**t have they invested so many draft picks at the position? Why did they try to get OBJ?

Yes let's keep investing later in WR and keep getting guys like Pettis/Hurd/james/Taylor etc it's worked wonders they've shown real promise at getting those second and their tier WRs lol.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with getting a top end WR on a cheap rookie deal that can rock out with Kittle/Deebo. Trade down at 31 and get an upgrade at OG and DT depth.

After the 2020 season evaluate Joe and If he's gone make a play on a LT, it's a stacked class. Or go spend some cash (which we will have a lot of) at LT and CB. Joe's contract would be off the books as well.

IMO that's better than grabbing a OT and throwing him in at RG and hoping he plays well

NY keeping it real!!!

Well said!!!

Thank dude lol.

It's just funny that we're complaining about pass-pro THEN we're saying we don't pass the ball and never use WRs, so why draft a WR high?

If we're bottom of the league in passing attempts why ya'll worrying about pass-pro .

If the plan is to run it all the way to the SB, then stock up on run-blocking guys which can be had much later in the draft....or we can be honest here, realize that we've spent capital on the WR position (and for the most part failed) tried to bring in OBJ and actually wanted to make the team more balanced.

Grab one of the top 3 WRs and draft a OG to play....OG.

Get a LT in 2021 draft or in the off season the following yr of 2021. They have two yrs to figure that out

LOL. We have a league leading TE and top Z receiver already. Could literally have Benjamin, Taylor and Hurd for the slot. Goodwin is now healthy at X. Add an X at 31 and train behind Goodwin like Pettis did, and like Deebo, he should start to take off the second half of the year when Kyle feels more comfortable to feature him. Kyle continues to go after a top TE2 which also reduces the snap counts and need for a top tier X (of which you're still getting at 31 anyhow).

When Kyle is keeping Juice, Kittle and his Arby's in to pass protect in the 4Q of a Superbowl, that's NOT a receiver issue...that's a pass protection issue.

Kyle hardly went to Sanders that game and he's the featured X prototype. 5 target on 38 yards. Hardly a difference maker in the offense.

Subsequently letting go of Person only validates the bigger concern...it certainly wasn't a contract move.

Who is this mysterious high end G you speak of who's going to be a massive upgrade at G over Person that can be had much later?

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. We have a league leading TE and top Z receiver already. Could literally have Benjamin, Taylor and Hurd for the slot. Goodwin is now healthy at X. Add an X at 31 and train behind Goodwin like Pettis did, and like Deebo, he should start to take off the second half of the year when Kyle feels more comfortable to feature him. Kyle continues to go after a top TE2 which also reduces the snap counts and need for a top tier X (of which you're still getting at 31 anyhow).

When Kyle is keeping Juice, Kittle and his Arby's in to pass protect in the 4Q of a Superbowl, that's NOT a receiver issue...that's a pass protection issue.

Kyle hardly went to Sanders that game and he's the X prototype. 5 target on 38 yards. Hardly a difference maker in the offense.

Subsequently letting go of Person only validates the bigger concern...it certainly wasn't a contract move.

Who is this mysterious high end G you speak of who's going to be a massive upgrade at G over Person that can be had much later?

Stopped reading when you brought up Benji and Goodwin as anything lol. That's ridiculous. They have ONE WR that can be relied upon at this pt.

Mysterious guard? do some homework on the guards in this draft and you'll find a couple that fit the bill

Instead you're just grabbing a big name OT and trying to smash him inside disregarding if he's even gonna be good there or a fit. Brunskill is better and cheaper than Person that's why they moved on from him...You're gonna be real bummed out when he's the starting RG in 2020 (not saying I want that either) just prepare yourself now.

The SB was full of issues, one was PP. I can also pt out wrong routes ran. Jimmy G just missing reads (with good protection), not having that WR that threatened them vertically etc...plenty of issues to go around on offense.

FWIW IMO the only high end OTs that fit inside for us are Wills and Wrifs...if that's the plan, then you need to fact that for the next two yrs. So now we're down to two guys that we hope are there.

Face it, this team has and will continue to try and improve at WR...data backs that up. My pt still stands you can't say they never pass the ball and haven't tried to improve at WR and just want to run it to the SB, then in the same breath say they need to improve PP. it's a hypothetical statement imo. Good WR play also improves PP. it all feeds off each other AND again I'm not saying don't try to improve at RG they can still do that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Stopped reading when you brought up Benji and Goodwin as anything lol. That's ridiculous. They have ONE WR that can be relied upon at this pt.

Mysterious guard? do some homework on the guards in this draft and you'll find a couple that fit the bill

Instead you're just grabbing a big name OT and trying to smash him inside disregarding if he's even gonna be good there or a fit. Brunskill is better and cheaper than Person that's why they moved on from him...You're gonna be real bummed out when he's the starting RG in 2020 (not saying I want that either) just prepare yourself now.

The SB was full of issues, one was PP. I can also pt out wrong routes ran. Jimmy G just missing reads (with good protection), not having that WR that threatened them vertically etc...plenty of issues to go around on offense.

FWIW IMO the only high end OTs that fit inside for us are Wills and Wrifs. So now we're down to two guys that we hope are there.

Face it, this team has and will continue to try and improve at WR...data backs that up. My pt still stands you can't say they never pass the ball and haven't tried to improve at WR and just want to run it to the SB, then in the same breath say they need to improve PP. it's a hypothetical statement imo. Good WR play also improves PP. it all feeds off each other.

Stopped reading and clearly dismissed the point. We're STILL getting a top notch XWR at 31. The WR we get at 31 drop off is way way less in talent than OL. It's just that simple.

And just like Deebo and Pettis before him, they train in limited roles behind veterans like Goodwin and Bourne until Kyle feels comfortable to feature them. Pettis after the bye-week in 2018. Deebo the second half with Bourne moving over to the slot mostly. This rookie will get the same treatment.

And stop bunching all receivers together. What this team needs is an X. Period. That's what Sanders was and he was Kyle's prototype. And even he was a limited feature (still important) after his first couple games. Literally, averaged 5 targets a game here. That's a difference maker? You think a rookie is going to come in here and get targeted 10 times a game? Please.

Would he have been featured more and targeted more with better pass protection that Kyle could trust when it mattered most. Maybe? But that's not really Kyle's offense right now.

His feature now is Kittle #1, Deebo #2 and a tie with the X and slot. If this rookie WR would be a featured #1, I'd put 13 for WR as the #1 priority.

And on the G topic...who...and when?

Know your offense. 

The receiver you want at 13 is only going to be WR3 in targets at 5 targets per game (and that was with a refined veteran Kyle fully trusted).

Kyle's Offense: Receiving Targets per Game
TE1 Kittle - 7.6
ZWR Deebo - 6 (higher in 4Q-Playoffs)
XWR Goodwin/Pettis/Sanders Combined - 5
SWR Bourne/James - 4

An OL is giving you 1K snaps every year.

2020:
TE1 Kittle - 7.6
ZWR Deebo - 7
XWR Goodwin/Rookie - 5
SWR Bourne/Benjamin/Hurd/Taylor - 4

It wouldn't surprise me if the SWR passes up the XWR for targets this year. 

That XWR is your #13 pick. You good with that value?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
WR's are always available, even in FA or trade.

We barely even use WR's except to block which is why Sanders said he was stoked to go to a spread offense in New Orleans for 2 years with Drew Brees...vs. being a run blocker here.

2019: 2nd most rushing attempts & rushing yards. 4th fewest passing attempts [courtesy, eastcoast49ersfan]

We'll still get a WR...just later.

Guards are always available as well.

If we "barely" used WRs then why the s**t have they invested so many draft picks at the position? Why did they try to get OBJ?

Yes let's keep investing later in WR and keep getting guys like Pettis/Hurd/james/Taylor etc it's worked wonders they've shown real promise at getting those second and their tier WRs lol.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with getting a top end WR on a cheap rookie deal that can rock out with Kittle/Deebo. Trade down at 31 and get an upgrade at OG and DT depth.

After the 2020 season evaluate Joe and If he's gone make a play on a LT, it's a stacked class. Or go spend some cash (which we will have a lot of) at LT and CB. Joe's contract would be off the books as well.

IMO that's better than grabbing a OT and throwing him in at RG and hoping he plays well

NY keeping it real!!!

Well said!!!

Thank dude lol.

It's just funny that we're complaining about pass-pro THEN we're saying we don't pass the ball and never use WRs, so why draft a WR high?

If we're bottom of the league in passing attempts why ya'll worrying about pass-pro .

If the plan is to run it all the way to the SB, then stock up on run-blocking guys which can be had much later in the draft....or we can be honest here, realize that we've spent capital on the WR position (and for the most part failed) tried to bring in OBJ and actually wanted to make the team more balanced.

Grab one of the top 3 WRs and draft a OG to play....OG.

Get a LT in 2021 draft or in the off season the following yr of 2021. They have two yrs to figure that out

Agreed. Also like I just posted in another thread, why upgrade at OL/OT when this O-line is fresh off a Super Bowl? 49ers group of receivers consist of:

Deebo - 2nd year rising star.
Benjamin - Pretty much camp fodder
Boune - Mr. Inconsistent
Pettis - Weirdo and in the doghouse all the time.
R. James - Mostly a Special Teamer

Originally posted by NCommand:
Know your offense.

The receiver you want at 13 is only going to be WR3 in targets at 5 targets per game (and that was with a refined veteran Kyle fully trusted).

Kyle's Offense: Receiving Targets per Game
TE1 Kittle - 7.6
ZWR Deebo - 6 (higher in 4Q-Playoffs)
XWR Goodwin/Pettis/Sanders Combined - 5
SWR Bourne/James - 4

An OL is giving you 1K snaps every year.

2020:
TE1 Kittle - 7.6
ZWR Deebo - 7
XWR Goodwin/Rookie - 5
SWR Bourne/Benjamin/Hurd/Taylor - 4

It wouldn't surprise me if the SWR passes up the XWR for targets this year.

That XWR is your #13 pick. You good with that value?

again, this is assuming it's this way because that's how we want it. as NYniner has stated, there's a reason Kyle has tried really hard to upgrade the position. Those numbers are skewed because we only had Sanders for part of the year. What an improvement we had that part we did have him and he's old and not a #1 type guy. I mean, we traded a LOT away for a couple months rental for a reason.