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Apr 23, 2020 at 7:18 AM

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Originally posted by walker807:
I'm much more worried they will beef up the oline and give midget 2.0 time. I'm not a draft guru or anything like that but isn't Simmons just a better version of Reddick? That guy went at 13 to the Cards and never did much.

He might be a better version of Derwin James.

Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 AM

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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by walker807:
I'm much more worried they will beef up the oline and give midget 2.0 time. I'm not a draft guru or anything like that but isn't Simmons just a better version of Reddick? That guy went at 13 to the Cards and never did much.

He might be a better version of Derwin James.

Haven't watched a lot of Simmons, does he have that natural instinct James has or is he just an uber athlete?

Apr 23, 2020 at 9:10 AM

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No safet has ever weighed 238 lbs in the nfl. Ever. There is no way simmons plays 8 snaps a game at safety and 8 at slot corner. He will start to get beat around week 3.

So:

Can he stuff run?
Can he rush the edge with his hand in the dirt?
Can he spy?
Can he blitz between tackles?

If he gets a b or higher in all these categories he is 1st rounder.

But we have so many other holes, we cant splurge on him.

Apr 23, 2020 at 9:26 AM

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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
No safet has ever weighed 238 lbs in the nfl. Ever. There is no way simmons plays 8 snaps a game at safety and 8 at slot corner. He will start to get beat around week 3.

So:

Can he stuff run?
Can he rush the edge with his hand in the dirt?
Can he spy?
Can he blitz between tackles?

If he gets a b or higher in all these categories he is 1st rounder.

But we have so many other holes, we cant splurge on him.

FWIW :

Kam Chancellor came in at 230.

And Adalius Thomas who was 270 and was primarily an edge rusher was used at multiple spots in Baltimore.

"When I went to Baltimore they had a lot of older guys there and they had a phrase of, 'The more you can do, the longer you stay around.' It kind of stuck," said Thomas.

So, Thomas decided to do it all, earning the nicknames "Slash" and "The Coordinator," for his ability to play multiple positions in Baltimore's defense. It's almost easier to name a position Thomas, who made his first Pro Bowl on special teams in 2003, hasn't played. He's lined up as a defensive end, a 3-4 nose tackle, a 4-3 defensive tackle, a 3-4 outside linebacker, a 3-4 inside linebacker, a 4-3 outside linebacker, a safety, and even at cornerback, all thanks to his startling athleticism.

Apr 23, 2020 at 9:28 AM

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The way defenses scheme he will fit in. He can cover any TE out there. He can rush. He's a Swiss Army knife and too talented to not use.

Love this kid!!

Apr 23, 2020 at 9:33 AM

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Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by walker807:
I'm much more worried they will beef up the oline and give midget 2.0 time. I'm not a draft guru or anything like that but isn't Simmons just a better version of Reddick? That guy went at 13 to the Cards and never did much.

He might be a better version of Derwin James.

Haven't watched a lot of Simmons, does he have that natural instinct James has or is he just an uber athlete?

Apr 23, 2020 at 9:54 AM

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I'd say Simmons is a great fit in Tartts role in this defense

Apr 23, 2020 at 9:55 AM

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Another weapon to keep all those scrambling QBs we gotta play in check

Apr 23, 2020 at 10:04 AM

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I think Simmons and Tua are my two least favorite prospects relative to projected draft position. I would not draft SImmons at #13.

The more I watch him, he's a finesse DB-like player in a LB"s body. I now think of him more as a S than LB. But unlike someone like Derwin James, he doesn't make those monster big hits and he lacks any of that instinctiveness. Total stay away for me.

He does seem built in a lab to erase TEs though. And man can he move sideline to sideline. So tantalizing, it's like a total deathtrap.

[ Edited by dhp318 on Apr 23, 2020 at 10:05 AM ]

Apr 23, 2020 at 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Niners418:
I'd say Simmons is a great fit in Tartts role in this defense

That's where I'd plug him in if the 49ers drafted him. He'd be a strong safety in this scheme.

John Middlekauff said there's a chance he's available at 13. He said the NFL isn't as high on Simmons as the media is.

It's funny that I've been playing devil's advocate with Simmons because this is the type of player I salivate over. I guess it reflects my lack of faith in Saleh more than Simmons(not that I hate Saleh).

[ Edited by Heroism on Apr 23, 2020 at 10:16 AM ]

Apr 23, 2020 at 10:51 AM

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This.

If teams can't figure out the right way to use Isaiah Simmons, that says a lot more about the teams than it does Isaiah Simmons.

(There's also a blueprint. It's called Derwin James. And the way to use him is all the ways.)
— Robert Mays (@robertmays) April 23, 2020

Defensive coordinators: "Offenses are too versatile, they're too fast, can't stop tight ends, pass catching RBs....argh. Need someone to stop this!"

**Isaiah Simmons walks in**

DC: "Oh no, how do I use this thing?"
— Steve Palazzolo (@PFF_Steve) April 23, 2020

[ Edited by Jcool on Apr 23, 2020 at 10:52 AM ]

Apr 23, 2020 at 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Jcool:

Defensive coordinators: "Offenses are too versatile, they're too fast, can't stop tight ends, pass catching RBs....argh. Need someone to stop this!"

**Isaiah Simmons walks in**

DC: "Oh no, how do I use this thing?"
— Steve Palazzolo (@PFF_Steve) April 23, 2020

Exactly the point I've been making. It seems so easy to fans to maximize a player like Simmons, but it's actually not. In fact, it's very, very difficult.

Apr 23, 2020 at 10:55 AM

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Maybe Simmons falls to 8-10, if that's the case make a move and go after him.

Apr 23, 2020 at 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Defensive coordinators: "Offenses are too versatile, they're too fast, can't stop tight ends, pass catching RBs....argh. Need someone to stop this!"

**Isaiah Simmons walks in**

DC: "Oh no, how do I use this thing?"
— Steve Palazzolo (@PFF_Steve) April 23, 2020

Exactly the point I've been making. It seems so easy to fans to maximize a player like Simmons, but it's actually not. In fact, it's very, very difficult.

I mean.. Its really not that difficult. But NFL is pretty conservative when it comes to change.

Apr 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Heroism:
Exactly the point I've been making. It seems so easy to fans to maximize a player like Simmons, but it's actually not. In fact, it's very, very difficult.

Sounds like he fits one of those "amoeba" front/defense. Probably be a best fit for a 3-4 team that uses multiple fronts and sees him as a LB. 49ers are pretty rigid in their wide9 that doesn't blitz a lot.