49ers open to trading both pics ???

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Well if Trent Baalke was our GM I wouldn't feel as confident wanting to trade down.

You also can't assume that drafting a player at 13 will be better than one at 23 or 33.

I think Reagor, Aiyuk, and Mims aren't that far off from the top 3.

If we're targeting a OT then I agree we shouldn't trade down.

Every draft is different and I believe in Lynch and KS to identify where they can maximize value by trading down.

And of any draft I can remember... this might be the best talent from picks say 30-60 and right now we don't have squat.

No doubt you can't assume, you can use odds and projections though. There's a reason certain guys are higher on big boards. Less risk, less bust potential etc. that's just how it is.

I think there's a good drop from the top 3 WRs. I will disagree with that take.

I do agree there's some quality talent to be had from 2nd-4th..they can still get a difference maker at 13 and use that 31st pick to move down multiple times.

So it's okay for you to assume (using odds and projections) that player taken at 13 will be an impact player.

But it's not okay for me to assume that (using odds and projections) we could trade down and draft quality starters in the second round?

Sounds like we're both projecting value... so I genuinely don't understand your point. Other than you have your own preferences as do I.

Originally posted by toppdogg32:
***ACCORDING TO ESPN AND 49ERS WIRE*****. I may be in the minority, but IF this is true, I'm all for it if we can trade down and keep at least 1 of the 1st. rounders and yield multiple day 2 and 3 pics. LIKE I SAID IN PREVIOUS THREADS!!!- There will be good; WR, CB, OG, and DT ., from later 1st.rd.-UDFA in this draft (esp. WR, and IOL). I mean if we cud get say: a 1st. rounder(20th-25th), our original 2nd. rounder back, 2-3rds., and 2 4ths., (purely HYPOTHETICAL, don't get nerdy analytical on me, YOU may have that much time, but I don't). would you do it ?? OR-TELL ME/US yay or nay, why, and what wud you do/take for the #13 and #31 pics ???

How many roster spots do we have left?
We are already stacked with talent, not like in the baalke years when there was room for 10-12 draft picks on the 53.

I guess if all the WRs, OT, and Henderson are gone I wold be okay with trading out of 13

Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:

Originally posted by toppdogg32:
***ACCORDING TO ESPN AND 49ERS WIRE*****. I may be in the minority, but IF this is true, I'm all for it if we can trade down and keep at least 1 of the 1st. rounders and yield multiple day 2 and 3 pics. LIKE I SAID IN PREVIOUS THREADS!!!- There will be good; WR, CB, OG, and DT ., from later 1st.rd.-UDFA in this draft (esp. WR, and IOL). I mean if we cud get say: a 1st. rounder(20th-25th), our original 2nd. rounder back, 2-3rds., and 2 4ths., (purely HYPOTHETICAL, don't get nerdy analytical on me, YOU may have that much time, but I don't). would you do it ?? OR-TELL ME/US yay or nay, why, and what wud you do/take for the #13 and #31 pics ???

How many roster spots do we have left?
We are already stacked with talent, not like in the baalke years when there was room for 10-12 draft picks on the 53.

LOL

OK, it was easy for a rookie to make the team that went to 3 straight NCFCG and a Super Bowl...

We had two all world Safety's (Whittner/Gholdson), two all world LBer's (Willis/Bowman), two all world OLB's (A. Smith/Brooks), Stud front (Cowboy, Soap, I. Williams/R. Mcdonald/ P. Haralson), we didn't even need top flight CB's (C. Rogers/Brown). On offense: two stud QB's (CK7/A. Smith), GOAT at RB (Frank Gore/A. Dixon/B. Jacobs/), two all world TE's (VD/Celek/D. Walker), 4 nice WR's (Crabtree/R. Moss/T. Ginn/Manningham), Best O/L in football (Staley/A. Davis/Iupati/J. Goodwin/Looney/Boone/).

I don't see plenty of open roster spots. We had two starting QB's on the roster!!!

Even if they stay put at #13, they're not gonna get the Webzone favorites. You might as well trade down now and lower my hopes and expectations

Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:

Originally posted by toppdogg32:

***ACCORDING TO ESPN AND 49ERS WIRE*****. I may be in the minority, but IF this is true, I'm all for it if we can trade down and keep at least 1 of the 1st. rounders and yield multiple day 2 and 3 pics. LIKE I SAID IN PREVIOUS THREADS!!!- There will be good; WR, CB, OG, and DT ., from later 1st.rd.-UDFA in this draft (esp. WR, and IOL). I mean if we cud get say: a 1st. rounder(20th-25th), our original 2nd. rounder back, 2-3rds., and 2 4ths., (purely HYPOTHETICAL, don't get nerdy analytical on me, YOU may have that much time, but I don't). would you do it ?? OR-TELL ME/US yay or nay, why, and what wud you do/take for the #13 and #31 pics ???

How many roster spots do we have left?
We are already stacked with talent, not like in the baalke years when there was room for 10-12 draft picks on the 53.

You can always move up from the lower picks to get the players you want. Trade a pick for a young vet that we like. We can always upgrade The secondary from the likes of Akhello/ Harris along with Sherman when the time comes. Add OL along with an Edge/DT/WR/ RB and I can see at least 5-7 players. Check out my comment in the first page and it makes sense to trade down from 13 if the opportunity presents itself.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Well if Trent Baalke was our GM I wouldn't feel as confident wanting to trade down.

You also can't assume that drafting a player at 13 will be better than one at 23 or 33.

I think Reagor, Aiyuk, and Mims aren't that far off from the top 3.

If we're targeting a OT then I agree we shouldn't trade down.

Every draft is different and I believe in Lynch and KS to identify where they can maximize value by trading down.

And of any draft I can remember... this might be the best talent from picks say 30-60 and right now we don't have squat.

No doubt you can't assume, you can use odds and projections though. There's a reason certain guys are higher on big boards. Less risk, less bust potential etc. that's just how it is.

I think there's a good drop from the top 3 WRs. I will disagree with that take.

I do agree there's some quality talent to be had from 2nd-4th..they can still get a difference maker at 13 and use that 31st pick to move down multiple times.

So it's okay for you to assume (using odds and projections) that player taken at 13 will be an impact player.

But it's not okay for me to assume that (using odds and projections) we could trade down and draft quality starters in the second round?

Sounds like we're both projecting value... so I genuinely don't understand your point. Other than you have your own preferences as do I.

If we can screw up the #3 pick in the draft, we can also screw up #13.

Originally posted by FL9er:

The last time I can remember the 49ers trading out of a premium draft slot in a "stacked" draft class?

WARNING: Viewer discretion advised

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NFL_Draft

Yikes! Look at all those busts in the first. We need to really hit it

I just said this in another thread, but if we end up trading a couple players (Goodwin, Tart, etc) for draft picks, we better not trade down with our 1st rounders. We dont need to do both. If we end up stockpiling a few late round picks, then use those and trade up into the 3rd and 4th rounds if you need to get those day two picks. Leave the first rounders alone!

Originally posted by glorydayz:

LOL

OK, it was easy for a rookie to make the team that went to 3 straight NCFCG and a Super Bowl...

We had two all world Safety's (Whittner/Gholdson), two all world LBer's (Willis/Bowman), two all world OLB's (A. Smith/Brooks), Stud front (Cowboy, Soap, I. Williams/R. Mcdonald/ P. Haralson), we didn't even need top flight CB's (C. Rogers/Brown). On offense: two stud QB's (CK7/A. Smith), GOAT at RB (Frank Gore/A. Dixon/B. Jacobs/), two all world TE's (VD/Celek/D. Walker), 4 nice WR's (Crabtree/R. Moss/T. Ginn/Manningham), Best O/L in football (Staley/A. Davis/Iupati/J. Goodwin/Looney/Boone/).

I don't see plenty of open roster spots. We had two starting QB's on the roster!!!

Originally posted by 9erguy:
If Ruggs is there, take him at 13 and then trade 31 + players (Brieda/Solly/Coleman/Pettis) to acquire more picks through the draft.

Don't screw this up.

I'd also add the possibility of trading next year's selections. If there's no college season, the draft next year will be based on far less complete knowledge. Choose your players now.

Originally posted by FL9er:
The last time I can remember the 49ers trading out of a premium draft slot in a "stacked" draft class?

WARNING: Viewer discretion advised

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NFL_Draft

I liked Shawntae Spencer. He would make the pro bowl in my 06 madden team (or was it 05?). Anyways, not sure if that draft makes me think any differently about trading down. Good players are always there to be had. No matter what, in the end, you just have to get it right.

I have no problem ether way trade back or make the pick. I'm a huge fan of Jedrick Wills, OT, Alabama if he is at 13 take him. Only other OT I think they would like at 13 is Andrew Thomas, OT, Georgia. I have seen Henry Ruggs play 2 or 3 game he was ok he had 1 or 2 big plays he didn't jump out or take over the game. Can he in NFL I don't know???? I think because of his speed he will be gone before they pick. Trade down could be good if players fall. Trade 13 to Denver for 15 and 83. trade 15 to philly for 21 and 53. That would turn 1 pick into 3. At 21 pick A.J. Terrell Justin Jefferson or why chance it and take Cesar Ruiz. Still have 31 take a Cesar Ruiz or Ross Blacklock, who will be there? You would still have 53 and 83 second and third round. They could draft a WR,CB,or OL what ever they miss in the first round. I don't want them to trade down if Ruggs is available and they think he will be the next Hill but if there not sure or think he is John Ross then trade down would be fine. I'm not a fan of ether player the 49er have playing guard right now. Plus they can use help in the secondary. That is why I think OL and CB are a bigger need them WR. I want them to draft a WR just think other positions are more important. Depending on there ranking if players fall they could double up on OL with 13 and 31. I do not see this happening, but Jedrick Wills and 13 and Cesar Ruiz at 31. That would up grade the OL over night. But then they have to wait till round 5 for WR, CB help. Take Rugg at 13 and Kristian Futlon at 31 then no OL help till round 5. No matter what the 49er do someone on the bord is not going to be happy or just flat out think there wrong. I was not really happy with deebo pick last year. It was not that I didn't like Deebo I want OL help. Looking back now I'm very happy with the deebo pick. However I still want help on the OL. If help come with 2 OL in the 5th round ok?? There probably not going to help much this year. Like a 5th round CB of WR probably will not help much this year. There always exception like Kittle and Greenlaw that are found in the 5th round. I just try not to count on that every year. There are alot more misses then all pro player in the 5th round.

Originally posted by dlance:
I have no problem ether way trade back or make the pick. I'm a huge fan of Jedrick Wills, OT, Alabama if he is at 13 take him. Only other OT I think they would like at 13 is Andrew Thomas, OT, Georgia. I have seen Henry Ruggs play 2 or 3 game he was ok he had 1 or 2 big plays he didn't jump out or take over the game. Can he in NFL I don't know???? I think because of his speed he will be gone before they pick. Trade down could be good if players fall. Trade 13 to Denver for 15 and 83. trade 15 to philly for 21 and 53. That would turn 1 pick into 3. At 21 pick A.J. Terrell Justin Jefferson or why chance it and take Cesar Ruiz. Still have 31 take a Cesar Ruiz or Ross Blacklock, who will be there? You would still have 53 and 83 second and third round. They could draft a WR,CB,or OL what ever they miss in the first round. I don't want them to trade down if Ruggs is available and they think he will be the next Hill but if there not sure or think he is John Ross then trade down would be fine. I'm not a fan of ether player the 49er have playing guard right now. Plus they can use help in the secondary. That is why I think OL and CB are a bigger need them WR. I want them to draft a WR just think other positions are more important. Depending on there ranking if players fall they could double up on OL with 13 and 31. I do not see this happening, but Jedrick Wills and 13 and Cesar Ruiz at 31. That would up grade the OL over night. But then they have to wait till round 5 for WR, CB help. Take Rugg at 13 and Kristian Futlon at 31 then no OL help till round 5. No matter what the 49er do someone on the bord is not going to be happy or just flat out think there wrong. I was not really happy with deebo pick last year. It was not that I didn't like Deebo I want OL help. Looking back now I'm very happy with the deebo pick. However I still want help on the OL. If help come with 2 OL in the 5th round ok?? There probably not going to help much this year. Like a 5th round CB of WR probably will not help much this year. There always exception like Kittle and Greenlaw that are found in the 5th round. I just try not to count on that every year. There are alot more misses then all pro player in the 5th round.

If Jedrick Wills or Andrew Thomas are on the board when the Niners are on the clock, I think there is a very small chance they'll pass on them and pick a Wide Receiver.

Just look at the history with this regime. They always draft trench players in the first round.

If every OT is gone besides Mekhi Becton (not a scheme fit), and they're unable to trade down. Then in this case, I can see them reluctantly picking a wide receiver. Which they probably don't even want.

i think all this team has shown us is to expect to be shocked. trading back one spot for s thomas, trading up into the first for R foster, drafting WRs b2b in the 2nd an 3rd rd, drafting a punter high, and trading away buckner our defensive anchor.

all wev been shown is expect the unexpected. expect them something to do very risky. unfortunate because if they draft conventionally we have the draft capital to get some real difference makers. but for whatever reason it seems like this 49ers FO wants to be in the headlines for the most dramatic moves every year.