Would you take these trades if they were proposed?

I thought about some possible trades that would involve both our first round picks to teams who also own at least 2 picks in round 1

Vikings: 13 & 31 for 22, 25 & 58. Here we net a 2nd round pick and move up 6 spots from 31 in exchange for moving down 9 slots from 13

Dolphins: 13 & 31 for 18, 26 & 70. Here we net a early 3rd round pick, move up 5 slots from 31 in exchange for moving down 5 slots from 13.

Personally I prefer the Vikings trade on the surface. Still have 2 first round picks and grab a second rounder but obviously it all depends on how the draft board falls.

I would not. We are essentially giving up a 4th round pick to move up 5 or 6 spots from 31. While that 4th round pick don't sound like much on the surface. It very easily could be a chess piece for Kyle.

Bowden/Gibson/Duvernay/Hunter Bryant etc...

Could even be a starting G/ situational DT/DE.

Originally posted by krizay:

I would not. We are essentially giving up a 4th round pick to move up 5 or 6 spots from 31. While that 4th round pick don't sound like much on the surface. It very easily could be a chess piece for Kyle.

Bowden/Gibson/Duvernay/Hunter Bryant etc...

Could even be a starting G/ situational DT/DE.

That's assuming the same trade is on the table with a 4th round pick included without swapping the later 1st round picks.

I would take either of those trades in a heartbeat. Both favor the 49ers heavily.

I'd probably take 13 for 18 and 70 by itself which is a fair trade and this adds in moving up 5 spots in the first round. If there's a top tackle on the board maybe we can leverage the Bucs' interest to either make this trade or get a 3rd round pick from the Bucs in exchange for moving up one spot.

No. Both teams would need to throw in another mid rounder at least.

Originally posted by miked1978:

No. Both teams would need to throw in another mid rounder at least.

Dolphins can probably trade 18 and 70 straight up for 13. The 49ers want to move down and acquire picks and those two trades already favor the 49ers pretty heavily. I highly doubt Lynch would turn them down even though 49ers fans think we can rip other teams off.

This is my rationale on trading.

Top 15 in this draft IMO not only fits our needs better but it's also fairly top heavy.

Bottom 15 in the first round is a little more of a risk and maybe it's all the mock generators talking but the bottom of the first round is frequently guys I like but don't love for us at least not way more than guys who would be available in the 2nd round or even 3rd round.

That's why I think we need to stay at 13 at take the best guy on the board. Whether it's one of the 3 WRs or someone else who falls because they go off the board earlier than expected. We got that pick by trading away one of our best players. To me it doesn't make sense to dilute the pick into riskier picks or quantity over quality.

That 31st pick though is a recipe for trade downs. It's a pick that would be valuable for a team looking to get that 5th year option so the trade value charts need to favor us. I've seen people giving that pick away just to move down and while moving down is something I want to see...can't be giving the pick away. Know the worth.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by miked1978:
No. Both teams would need to throw in another mid rounder at least.

Dolphins can probably trade 18 and 70 straight up for 13. The 49ers want to move down and acquire picks and those two trades already favor the 49ers pretty heavily. I highly doubt Lynch would turn them down even though 49ers fans think we can rip other teams off.

The draft value charts are a guide but not a blanket this value has to match that value and it's good.

There are grades given out and each draft class is different. Sometimes there are clear drop off in talent so moving from 13 to 18 could quickly see you moving back only 5 spots on paper but in that particular draft class you could quickly find yourself out of the primo talent pool area. So if a team wants to push you down from there and get into the prime spot they may have to pony up a little more than usual.

Same applies to the bottom of the first round picks due to the 5th year option. The draft chart doesn't take that into consideration.

Just because we may want to get more picks and trade down doesn't mean we should be saying yes to whatever.

I like the value at both. Especially the MIN one. A second is really good in a deep draft like this. I'd still trade down again with the later first.

Originally posted by genus49:
The draft value charts are a guide but not a blanket this value has to match that value and it's good.

There are grades given out and each draft class is different. Sometimes there are clear drop off in talent so moving from 13 to 18 could quickly see you moving back only 5 spots on paper but in that particular draft class you could quickly find yourself out of the primo talent pool area. So if a team wants to push you down from there and get into the prime spot they may have to pony up a little more than usual.

Same applies to the bottom of the first round picks due to the 5th year option. The draft chart doesn't take that into consideration.

Just because we may want to get more picks and trade down doesn't mean we should be saying yes to whatever.

Henderson seems like a lock to go in the top 15 now and probably ahead of at least 1-2 WRs.

3 QB
4 OT
3 WR
1 Edge
2 DT
1 LB
2 CB

That's 16 players and there are surprises every year (a team could pick Love, Chaisson, Jones, etc.). Worst case you're looking at someone like Jefferson, Chaisson, or Jones at 18 which isn't a far drop off from Jeudy, Lamb, or Ruggs. You may even end up with one of the top 3 WRs or top 4 OTs at 18 (there are an increasing number of mocks that have at least one available in the late teens/early 20s). I think a lot of us are attaching too high of probabilities that they can predict the exact list of players who get selected in the top 15-16 picks.

The one thing that would make me hesitant about trading to 18 is if only 1-2 QBs have been taken by the 13th pick. Then I'd agree there is a better chance that there is a talent drop-off between 13 and 18.

Originally posted by genus49:
This is my rationale on trading.

Top 15 in this draft IMO not only fits our needs better but it's also fairly top heavy.

Bottom 15 in the first round is a little more of a risk and maybe it's all the mock generators talking but the bottom of the first round is frequently guys I like but don't love for us at least not way more than guys who would be available in the 2nd round or even 3rd round.

That's why I think we need to stay at 13 at take the best guy on the board. Whether it's one of the 3 WRs or someone else who falls because they go off the board earlier than expected. We got that pick by trading away one of our best players. To me it doesn't make sense to dilute the pick into riskier picks or quantity over quality.

That 31st pick though is a recipe for trade downs. It's a pick that would be valuable for a team looking to get that 5th year option so the trade value charts need to favor us. I've seen people giving that pick away just to move down and while moving down is something I want to see...can't be giving the pick away. Know the worth.

I think is so true.

Originally posted by genus49:
The draft value charts are a guide but not a blanket this value has to match that value and it's good.

There are grades given out and each draft class is different. Sometimes there are clear drop off in talent so moving from 13 to 18 could quickly see you moving back only 5 spots on paper but in that particular draft class you could quickly find yourself out of the primo talent pool area. So if a team wants to push you down from there and get into the prime spot they may have to pony up a little more than usual.

Same applies to the bottom of the first round picks due to the 5th year option. The draft chart doesn't take that into consideration.

Just because we may want to get more picks and trade down doesn't mean we should be saying yes to whatever.

A players value is kind of like a house. It's value is whatever someone is willing to pay not want you think it's worth.

Dont really have interest in the move one down move one up type of deal. Rather get more or better picks for a singular move back. of course everything is contingent on what happens in front of you. I suspect there is a possibility to move back to 14, 15, 16, or 18 and still get the same player we would have targeted at 13.

First of all, the Dolphins trade scenario is crap. No disrespect, just my personal observation. There would ABSOLUTELY have to be one more pick thrown in higher than 70 or at least a 3rd rounder next year. The Vikings trade scenario also needs one more pick with either this year or next year 3rd rounder. But it's all going to depend on how the draft shakes out especially when the usual 2 or 3 teams grab someone no one had going in the top 20 let alone the top ten