2020 NFL ENTRY DRAFT (no spoilers)

Originally posted by Rockeyfromask:
And keep in mind...its sort of like we got Dee Ford with our 2nd round pick...

and paid him 20 million which is why we couldn't keep Sanders/Buckner.

Originally posted by Cutitoff:
So let's see here,
Kinlaw for Buckner at 20million dollar savings
Aiyuk for sanders 10years younger and 10mill less a year(exact #?)
Williams for Staley 4 years younger and not retiring
AN o lineman that provides for additional depth along a thin group
And a 6th and seventh rounder that probably won't make opening roster
Yes I would say they improved

So you think next year team right now is better then the team they has last year. You think Kinlaw is going to outplay Buckner and the team will be better?
you think Aiyuk will play better the Sander ?
And they could have keep Buckner for one more year without paying him.
I know the cap is much better now that they have made these move, but I do not think the team is going to be a better team next year. In 2 or 3 years maybe.

Originally posted by Rockeyfromask:
And keep in mind...its sort of like we got Dee Ford with our 2nd round pick...

Dee Ford was on the team last year

Originally posted by Rockeyfromask:

And keep in mind...its sort of like we got Dee Ford with our 2nd round pick...

And we will be getting a Dee Ford who will be well rested after no off season stress in his knees.

Originally posted by dlance:

So you think next year team right now is better then the team they has last year. You think Kinlaw is going to outplay Buckner and the team will be better?
you think Aiyuk will play better the Sander ?
And they could have keep Buckner for one more year without paying him.
I know the cap is much better now that they have made these move, but I do not think the team is going to be a better team next year. In 2 or 3 years maybe.

Did you think the team was going to be a SB team last year at this time?

I highly doubt it. Silly to judge a team before they actually play the season out. We won't know if they're better or worse until They play this season.

Originally posted by wysiwyg:
Sanders wanted too much money, was 31, and had the right to go elsewhere. Aiyuk will be better, just not right away. But, maybe he will.
Buckner wanted Aaron Donald money (Clowney did too -- notice nobody has given it to him). Can't keep everyone and it I think Kinlaw will replace his production eventually.
Williams is an upgrade over last year's Staley. Did you read Joe's letter. He has a degenerative neck condition and he did not want to risk not being there for his kids if he played one more year. It is his right and, dare I say it duty, to retire for his family. He gave his body for this franchise for 13 years and in 5 years should be putting on a gold jacket
Trading Breida helped the team -- we got a 5th for an UDFA. We have Mostert, Coleman, Jet, and Wilson still. Plus, Kyle might find another gem UDFA as there are a few out there

The last 3 guys drafted are perfect for this team. A nasty college tackle that will be used as a developmental guard, our IOL was a weakness. A blocking TE to replace Tiololo (who had the right to sign elsewhere as a FA) who might surprise as a receiver, and a guy in Jennings that fits exactly what Kyle has had (Garcon, Sanu) and has wanted (Hurd). Jennings might wind up being the steal of the draft based on his production. It sounds like Hurd's back is way worse than has been let out. Hurd and Jennings were teammates at Tenn so no doubt Jennings' film (have you seen this guy block?) popped out when they were scouting Hurd last year

I agree with most of what you said and I Understand why Sander is gone and good for him. I think after these move in 2 or 3 year they will be a better team. Just not next year. they where in the super bowl and It feels like they took a step back and are treading water right now. They didn't really improve in any area. In 2 or 3 year they could have a good WR core and then they will need to pay Deebo so will they trade him because he want to much?
I think the reason Sander is gone was because of Ford, Kwon Alexander and Goodwin signing.

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Did you think the team was going to be a SB team last year at this time?

I highly doubt it. Silly to judge a team before they actually play the season out. We won't know if they're better or worse until They play this season.

I'm only saying I do not think the team is as good right now as they where last year.
So if they do not make the SB I guess I'm right.
If the win the SB I'm wrong.

How much money they have saved by trading Buckner and letting Sander walk has nothing to do with how well the team plays on the field.
Saving 40 Million has nothing to do with if the 49er are a better or worst team. I have a very hard time think a Rookie in Kinlaw for Buckner at 20million dollar savings is going to make the team play better. Kinlaw next year should not be a better player then Buckner!!! In 2 or 3 years maybe he will be.
Aiyuk saving 10 million doesn't make him better the Sander. In 2 or 3 yr maybe he will be.

Originally posted by dlance:
How much money they have saved by trading Buckner and letting Sander walk has nothing to do with how well the team plays on the field.

I'd be with you if this were baseball and we could ignore this whole "salary cap" thing. But that's not how it works.

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Cutitoff:

So let's see here,
Kinlaw for Buckner at 20million dollar savings
Aiyuk for sanders 10years younger and 10mill less a year(exact #?)
Williams for Staley 4 years younger and not retiring
AN o lineman that provides for additional depth along a thin group
And a 6th and seventh rounder that probably won't make opening roster
Yes I would say they improved

So you think next year team right now is better then the team they has last year. You think Kinlaw is going to outplay Buckner and the team will be better?
you think Aiyuk will play better the Sander ?
And they could have keep Buckner for one more year without paying him.
I know the cap is much better now that they have made these move, but I do not think the team is going to be a better team next year. In 2 or 3 years maybe.

But your only discussing one point, and that point being is the player they gained better than the player they replaced.
You can't pay a D-Lineman 20 plus million a year and keep the rest of your team together.
They made an offer to Buckner and he wouldn't take it.
They made an offer to sanders and he didn't take it.
Staley retired due to degenerative issue in his neck.
Every single team in the league changes every year and tries to balance talent with salary cap. The niners have retained a huge part of their team from last year. Personally I would rather have Kinlaw on the line and be able to extend Kittle than keep Buck and watch Kittle go elsewhere.
The FO is making decisions to keep the team relevant for an extended period of time vs the Rams approach.

Originally posted by dlance:

How much money they have saved by trading Buckner and letting Sander walk has nothing to do with how well the team plays on the field.
Saving 40 Million has nothing to do with if the 49er are a better or worst team. I have a very hard time think a Rookie in Kinlaw for Buckner at 20million dollar savings is going to make the team play better. Kinlaw next year should not be a better player then Buckner!!! In 2 or 3 years maybe he will be.
Aiyuk saving 10 million doesn't make him better the Sander. In 2 or 3 yr maybe he will be.

Stop looking at everything on paper.

Even if we still had Buck and Sanders there's no guarantee we'd be better, the same or worse.

New year, so many new variables, different injuries, form, schedules.

There's a reason why good teams put the previous season behind them and get back to work.

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

Did you think the team was going to be a SB team last year at this time?

I highly doubt it. Silly to judge a team before they actually play the season out. We won't know if they're better or worse until They play this season.

I'm only saying I do not think the team is as good right now as they where last year.
So if they do not make the SB I guess I'm right.
If the win the SB I'm wrong.

Far too simplistic

Originally posted by Cutitoff:
But your only discussing one point, and that point being is the player they gained better than the player they replaced.
You can't pay a D-Lineman 20 plus million a year and keep the rest of your team together.
They made an offer to Buckner and he wouldn't take it.
They made an offer to sanders and he didn't take it.
Staley retired due to degenerative issue in his neck.
Every single team in the league changes every year and tries to balance talent with salary cap. The niners have retained a huge part of their team from last year. Personally I would rather have Kinlaw on the line and be able to extend Kittle than keep Buck and watch Kittle go elsewhere.
The FO is making decisions to keep the team relevant for an extended period of time vs the Rams approach.

I 100 % understand you point and you right.
they chose to sign Kwon Alexander and Dee Ford to big deals and now they can't pay Buckner.
I agree with you point.
I'm only saying I do not feel the team is better today then they where last year.
After last years draft I felt the pass rush would be better. WR would be better. Punter ok???? and they drafted a late LB,OL,DB. I felt the team was better in some areas.
This year I don't. DL is not better. DB not better. Is the OL any better, maybe another year for the young guy and William is better maybe and maybe not he didn't play last year we need to wait and see.
Right now I just don't see where they have gotten better anywhere.

Originally posted by dlance:
I 100 % understand you point and you right.
they chose to sign Kwon Alexander and Dee Ford to big deals and now they can't pay Buckner.
I agree with you point.
I'm only saying I do not feel the team is better today then they where last year.
After last years draft I felt the pass rush would be better. WR would be better. Punter ok???? and they drafted a late LB,OL,DB. I felt the team was better in some areas.
This year I don't. DL is not better. DB not better. Is the OL any better, maybe another year for the young guy and William is better maybe and maybe not he didn't play last year we need to wait and see.
Right now I just don't see where they have gotten better anywhere.

Most teams that roll to the SB are focused on not getting worse. They were able to add key players to replace those that left. Most teams that win tend to take some huge hits. This team hasn't.

They lost Buckner, Staley and Sanders.

They added Kinlaw, Aiyuk, Trent Williams plus a hopefully healthy Hurd and will have players coming back with more experience as well as Jimmy G a year further removed from his ACL tear. I don't know if they got a lot better, they don't appear to have gotten worse which means they should be back in the mix to make another SB run.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Most teams that roll to the SB are focused on not getting worse. They were able to add key players to replace those that left. Most teams that win tend to take some huge hits. This team hasn't.

They lost Buckner, Staley and Sanders.

They added Kinlaw, Aiyuk, Trent Williams plus a hopefully healthy Hurd and will have players coming back with more experience as well as Jimmy G a year further removed from his ACL tear. I don't know if they got a lot better, they don't appear to have gotten worse which means they should be back in the mix to make another SB run.

I agree they pick up for what they lost. I really hope Hurd can get back and healthy. By the end of the year Hopefully Kinlaw is playing well and they can make a playoff run.