MadDog49er 2020 NFL Draft Review

First, I love MadDog's analysis each year before the draft. I appreciate it.

That being said, he has given average draft grades to the Niners brass since Lynch and Shanalynch got here. Yet Shanalynch got us within eight minutes of freaking Lombardi #6 with their drafts. I wouldn't be super optimistic they would have gotten as far with MadDog's player selections during the last three years. Maybe so. Maybe not. So I take his grading reasoning with a grain of salt relative to his pre-draft analysis which I find FAR more value in.

I give Shanalynch the benefit of the doubt as a result. I want them to keep going with their guys and the guys they want and making sure to get them. Kinlaw was a highly regarded player and if keeping the DL dominant was their plan A if Kinlaw was available, I am happy they did so even though I was hoping for Jeudy/Lamb (since Ruggs was gone). We practically WALTZED into the SB with zero resistance because of our DL and running game. And since Kyle had Aiyuk at WR1 along with Lamb, it was therefore a GOOD DECISION to trade up and get him. Disagree on the eval all you want...I want Shanalynch to get the guys they want for better or worse. Doing so almost got us #6 within three years of being the laughing stock of the league.

I would have been more upset if Shanalynch didn't feel WR was a need at all and did not draft one in the 1st round. Not going to bash a pick at #25 that they said they would have been happy to make at #13 if the board fell a different way.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Deebo emerged as the closest thing we have had as a number one in a long time. At the same time, I am not sure he is a true number one yet. He had 57 catches for 802 yards and 3 TD receptions. These are more of a number WR2 numbers for a good WR group. He had a very good yards per reception number- 31st overall at 14.1. His long reception for the year was 42 yards. Brown had 52 catches for 1051, and 8 TD receptions. His long reception for the year was 91 yards. Brown was a monster in yards per catch- 2nd in the NFL at 20.2. Deebo had 9 drops on the year (4th worst in the NFL...just something to monitor as his career progresses), Brown had 2 drops.

I think people would be more inclined to classify Brown as number one and Deebo as a borderline 1/2. They both were terrific.

I wanted the 49ers to draft Brown so bad . I selected him on my fantasy league because I knew he would be good. Did not disappoint.

I don't get how people say that a #1 WR is not important. Did you guys not watch the Super Bowl? We got our ass handed to us by a #1 WR making plays when it matters most. Remember Jerry Rice?! T.O.?! We need a super star with an attitude at WR. Someone that our starting QB can trust 100% when we need to pull out a win. I'm hoping our #2 pick this year can be that guy, but I'm not too familiar with him though. I did see Lamb being that type of #1 WR (he has been successfully since High School! He just has that swag and backs it up with his play.)

I can say though that we have a great TE which I would rate close to a #1 WR. IMO he is the one that truly came up on crucial games when it matters most (Saints for example). Major part as to why we made it to the Super Bowl last year. He is that type of player who you can depend on. A super star.

Overall I did like the first picks as well. I'm not entirely sure about the rest though to give any kind of feedback. Although, Lynch and Co. are good at selecting players in later rounds lol.

Originally posted by luis1985:

I wanted the 49ers to draft Brown so bad . I selected him on my fantasy league because I knew he would be good. Did not disappoint.

I don't get how people say that a #1 WR is not important. Did you guys not watch the Super Bowl? We got our ass handed to us by a #1 WR making plays when it matters most. Remember Jerry Rice?! T.O.?! We need a super star with an attitude at WR. Someone that our starting QB can trust 100% when we need to pull out a win. I'm hoping our #2 pick this year can be that guy, but I'm not too familiar with him though. I did see Lamb being that type of #1 WR (he has been successfully since High School! He just has that swag and backs it up with his play.)

I can say though that we have a great TE which I would rate close to a #1 WR. IMO he is the one that truly came up on crucial games when it matters most (Saints for example). Major part as to why we made it to the Super Bowl last year. He is that type of player who you can depend on. A super star.

Overall I did like the first picks as well. I'm not entirely sure about the rest though to give any kind of feedback. Although, Lynch and Co. are good at selecting players in later rounds lol.

Yah I remember Jerry Rice very well. Yet 9ers won 3 SBs because we had Rice, Taylor, Jones and Craig then Waters. TO was great but an over dependence on him did us in for the entirety of his later tenure.

Sammy Watkins made just as big a play in the SB as Hill did. The Chiefs are so hard to stop because of all their weapons not just Hill. They could replace Hill with a "#2" guy and would still be an elite team.

Originally posted by luis1985:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Deebo emerged as the closest thing we have had as a number one in a long time. At the same time, I am not sure he is a true number one yet. He had 57 catches for 802 yards and 3 TD receptions. These are more of a number WR2 numbers for a good WR group. He had a very good yards per reception number- 31st overall at 14.1. His long reception for the year was 42 yards. Brown had 52 catches for 1051, and 8 TD receptions. His long reception for the year was 91 yards. Brown was a monster in yards per catch- 2nd in the NFL at 20.2. Deebo had 9 drops on the year (4th worst in the NFL...just something to monitor as his career progresses), Brown had 2 drops.

I think people would be more inclined to classify Brown as number one and Deebo as a borderline 1/2. They both were terrific.

I wanted the 49ers to draft Brown so bad . I selected him on my fantasy league because I knew he would be good. Did not disappoint.

I don't get how people say that a #1 WR is not important. Did you guys not watch the Super Bowl? We got our ass handed to us by a #1 WR making plays when it matters most. Remember Jerry Rice?! T.O.?! We need a super star with an attitude at WR. Someone that our starting QB can trust 100% when we need to pull out a win. I'm hoping our #2 pick this year can be that guy, but I'm not too familiar with him though. I did see Lamb being that type of #1 WR (he has been successfully since High School! He just has that swag and backs it up with his play.)

I can say though that we have a great TE which I would rate close to a #1 WR. IMO he is the one that truly came up on crucial games when it matters most (Saints for example). Major part as to why we made it to the Super Bowl last year. He is that type of player who you can depend on. A super star.

Overall I did like the first picks as well. I'm not entirely sure about the rest though to give any kind of feedback. Although, Lynch and Co. are good at selecting players in later rounds lol.

What did the Niner WRs do wrong and/or different from the chiefs in the SB? Other than not have the bell delivered to them

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by luis1985:

I wanted the 49ers to draft Brown so bad . I selected him on my fantasy league because I knew he would be good. Did not disappoint.

I don't get how people say that a #1 WR is not important. Did you guys not watch the Super Bowl? We got our ass handed to us by a #1 WR making plays when it matters most. Remember Jerry Rice?! T.O.?! We need a super star with an attitude at WR. Someone that our starting QB can trust 100% when we need to pull out a win. I'm hoping our #2 pick this year can be that guy, but I'm not too familiar with him though. I did see Lamb being that type of #1 WR (he has been successfully since High School! He just has that swag and backs it up with his play.)

I can say though that we have a great TE which I would rate close to a #1 WR. IMO he is the one that truly came up on crucial games when it matters most (Saints for example). Major part as to why we made it to the Super Bowl last year. He is that type of player who you can depend on. A super star.

Overall I did like the first picks as well. I'm not entirely sure about the rest though to give any kind of feedback. Although, Lynch and Co. are good at selecting players in later rounds lol.

Yah I remember Jerry Rice very well. Yet 9ers won 3 SBs because we had Rice, Taylor, Jones and Craig then Waters. TO was great but an over dependence on him did us in for the entirety of his later tenure.

Sammy Watkins made just as big a play in the SB as Hill did. The Chiefs are so hard to stop because of all their weapons not just Hill. They could replace Hill with a "#2" guy and would still be an elite team.

Exactly my point, imagine having a Jerry Rice type of WR with Deebo and Kittle and that's not counting the running game. It's a team sport, but having such a WR would put us over the top like it did for Chiefs. We definitely would've won the Super Bowl in my opinion. Hoping our 2nd pick can be that guy. Seems like he has the attributes for sure.

Lol Hill destroyed us when it mattered most. Without him they don't convert those crucial downs.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

What did the Niner WRs do wrong and/or different from the chiefs in the SB? Other than not have the bell delivered to them

Show up when it mattered most. With their play plus Jimmy G missing players as well definitely hurt us. If we had Hill... it be a different story 100% (Unless you have a huge meltdown like Shanahan with Falcons). Speed and talent kills.

Originally posted by luis1985:

Exactly my point, imagine having a Jerry Rice type of WR with Deebo and Kittle and that's not counting the running game. It's a team sport, but having such a WR would put us over the top like it did for Chiefs. We definitely would've won the Super Bowl in my opinion. Hoping our 2nd pick can be that guy. Seems like he has the attributes for sure.

Lol Hill destroyed us when it mattered most. Without him they don't convert those crucial downs.

Kelce and Watkins would do fine. As I said Watkins had equally as big a play.

I also don't give Hill too much credit for a blown coverage. Moseley plays that correctly and none of it matters.

If Aiyuk can just be a contributor while Deebo and Kittle do their things and Bourne and Hurd improve the 9ers will be fine.

Originally posted by luis1985:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

What did the Niner WRs do wrong and/or different from the chiefs in the SB? Other than not have the bell delivered to them

Show up when it mattered most. With their play plus Jimmy G missing players as well definitely hurt us. If we had Hill... it be a different story 100% (Unless you have a huge meltdown like Shanahan with Falcons). Speed and talent kills.

Hmm...so not showing up is Sanders beating coverage for what should have been a go ahead TD? Or Deebo repeatedly beating coverage and get open in key situations in the 4th only to not have the ball come his way? The Only difference between what Hill did and what the niner WRs didn't do was the chiefs offense executing and then Moseley having a brain fart. I love jimmy and think he will get them a SB, but hill wouldn't have mattered for s**t on the niners if Jimmy is not making his reads and seeing guys. Not really sure where this WR being the issue narrative is coming from, other than people griping about going with Aiyuk vs Lamb. And full disclosure I was 100% on board with taking a WR, but it's not because of what happened in the SB

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by luis1985:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

What did the Niner WRs do wrong and/or different from the chiefs in the SB? Other than not have the bell delivered to them

Show up when it mattered most. With their play plus Jimmy G missing players as well definitely hurt us. If we had Hill... it be a different story 100% (Unless you have a huge meltdown like Shanahan with Falcons). Speed and talent kills.

Hmm...so not showing up is Sanders beating coverage for what should have been a go ahead TD? Or Deebo repeatedly beating coverage and get open in key situations in the 4th only to not have the ball come his way? The Only difference between what Hill did and what the niner WRs didn't do was the chiefs offense executing and then Moseley having a brain fart. I love jimmy and think he will get them a SB, but hill wouldn't have mattered for s**t on the niners if Jimmy is not making his reads and seeing guys. Not really sure where this WR being the issue narrative is coming from, other than people griping about going with Aiyuk vs Lamb. And full disclosure I was 100% on board with taking a WR, but it's not because of what happened in the SB

You're telling me that the best schemer on the planet couldn't scheme people open in the second half? Or that our WRs were consistently beating coverage but jimmy missed everyone?

A true #1 matters.

Lamb woulda killed, not only because he's talented, but because he's a super alpha male. Kinda like TO. We need that energy on offense.

Still hoping that our new WR kills it too.

Was hoping we got that game breaking WR but we went with trying to get back to the Super Bowl with defense, running the ball, and ball-control passing offense. It worked last year and that style repeatedly wins Super Bowls more than any other style. However, we lost to a team with game breakers in Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. They had so much explosive talent on that team to the point where things opened up to their RB in that game.

The bigger question is would our defense had suffered if we didn't replace DeFo or would our offense have vaulted to that next level if we acquired a would-be game breaking WR? Personally, I don't think our defense would have suffered very much considering the depth we had on DL. I do think our offense had the opportunity to put major fear in defenses for having a target that could win games in one play.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Was hoping we got that game breaking WR but we went with trying to get back to the Super Bowl with defense, running the ball, and ball-control passing offense. It worked last year and that style repeatedly wins Super Bowls more than any other style. However, we lost to a team with game breakers in Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. They had so much explosive talent on that team to the point where things opened up to their RB in that game.

The bigger question is would our defense had suffered if we didn't replace DeFo or would our offense have vaulted to that next level if we acquired a would-be game breaking WR? Personally, I don't think our defense would have suffered very much considering the depth we had on DL. I do think our offense had the opportunity to put major fear in defenses for having a target that could win games in one play.

I agree completely. I don't know if Lamb would provide that #1 target but he would help; moreso than Kinlaw in 2020. If Jimmy had adequate blocking and a better receiving core, then he could possibly be a top 8 QB. I loved Buckner but it wasn't like losing Aaron Donald. They still had AA and Bosa.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
You're telling me that the best schemer on the planet couldn't scheme people open in the second half? Or that our WRs were consistently beating coverage but jimmy missed everyone?

A true #1 matters.

Lamb woulda killed, not only because he's talented, but because he's a super alpha male. Kinda like TO. We need that energy on offense.

Still hoping that our new WR kills it too.

Jimmy missed a LOT of guys. Guys were open yes. Cosell broke it all down.

A true #1 matters a whole lot less than having multiple weapons that can get open.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by luis1985:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

What did the Niner WRs do wrong and/or different from the chiefs in the SB? Other than not have the bell delivered to them

Show up when it mattered most. With their play plus Jimmy G missing players as well definitely hurt us. If we had Hill... it be a different story 100% (Unless you have a huge meltdown like Shanahan with Falcons). Speed and talent kills.

Hmm...so not showing up is Sanders beating coverage for what should have been a go ahead TD? Or Deebo repeatedly beating coverage and get open in key situations in the 4th only to not have the ball come his way? The Only difference between what Hill did and what the niner WRs didn't do was the chiefs offense executing and then Moseley having a brain fart. I love jimmy and think he will get them a SB, but hill wouldn't have mattered for s**t on the niners if Jimmy is not making his reads and seeing guys. Not really sure where this WR being the issue narrative is coming from, other than people griping about going with Aiyuk vs Lamb. And full disclosure I was 100% on board with taking a WR, but it's not because of what happened in the SB

You're telling me that the best schemer on the planet couldn't scheme people open in the second half? Or that our WRs were consistently beating coverage but jimmy missed everyone?

A true #1 matters.

Lamb woulda killed, not only because he's talented, but because he's a super alpha male. Kinda like TO. We need that energy on offense.

Still hoping that our new WR kills it too.

I'm telling you that it's all there on tape. Advise watching Cosell's post SB breakdown. Talks about KS play calls being correct and WRs doing their job beating coverage and the countless plays that were left on the field because jimmy wasn't making the correct reads and flat out missing guys. Not putting this all on JG, but The SB was not a WR problem, it was an execution problem. On that note I'm done on the topic lol.

SB was a holding problem, give me a break.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by luis1985:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

What did the Niner WRs do wrong and/or different from the chiefs in the SB? Other than not have the bell delivered to them

Show up when it mattered most. With their play plus Jimmy G missing players as well definitely hurt us. If we had Hill... it be a different story 100% (Unless you have a huge meltdown like Shanahan with Falcons). Speed and talent kills.

Hmm...so not showing up is Sanders beating coverage for what should have been a go ahead TD? Or Deebo repeatedly beating coverage and get open in key situations in the 4th only to not have the ball come his way? The Only difference between what Hill did and what the niner WRs didn't do was the chiefs offense executing and then Moseley having a brain fart. I love jimmy and think he will get them a SB, but hill wouldn't have mattered for s**t on the niners if Jimmy is not making his reads and seeing guys. Not really sure where this WR being the issue narrative is coming from, other than people griping about going with Aiyuk vs Lamb. And full disclosure I was 100% on board with taking a WR, but it's not because of what happened in the SB

You're telling me that the best schemer on the planet couldn't scheme people open in the second half? Or that our WRs were consistently beating coverage but jimmy missed everyone?

A true #1 matters.

Lamb woulda killed, not only because he's talented, but because he's a super alpha male. Kinda like TO. We need that energy on offense.

Still hoping that our new WR kills it too.

You're not reading, and apparently didn't watch the Superbowl either. Receivers were open in the second half.