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Originally posted by dhp318:Originally posted by English:And #31. Odd you should forget that.
It was a trade up, which doesn't really affect what position the 49ers drafted in each round of that year, and therefore had no bearing on the starting draft capital for that year.
Originally posted by English:
What? We drafted #31 this year.
Originally posted by dhp318:Originally posted by English:What? We drafted #31 this year.
What would this year's draft class have anything to do with the talent that got us to this past Super Bowl?
Originally posted by English:
Read the thread title.
Originally posted by dhp318:Originally posted by English:Read the thread title.
Or you could try reading the post I was replying to
Nice work.
You freakin hit the G-Spot man!!!! Drafting is not just computing math and stats and watching tapes because there are a lot of factors that a naked eye don't see to a prospect's chances of succeeding in the pros. There's a BIG JUMP from college to pros that's why a lot of them failed even if they were so athletically sexy pick during the draft. It's not always just the tangibles, and in fact, you can argue though, intangibles are more important than the former. That's why you have to go out there and get to know these guys PERSONALLY and talk to their families, coaches, girlfriends, friends, teachers, pastors, gym trainers, etc. and you GET PAID for doing these things. I respect the effort of you guys watching tapes and scribbling notes and compute stat percentages and make charts and comparisons and stuff but THIS IS NOT ENOUGH. Do you think the 49ers FO and scouts don't have MADDOG's works, research and information that he mostly got from the internet? But to be fair and with respect to MADDOG, we really appreciate his efforts and initiative. Thank you Longtermninerfan for your more elaborate post.Originally posted by longterm9erfan:Good day, gentlemen...
First, it is really good to hear from MD again and I hope this finds all of you Zoners in good health and spirits.
I have scanned this thread and it seems to me we are forgetting a few important factors when it comes to draft choices...
- Since Lynch / Shan have taken over in the front office of the Niners, they have turned one of the least talented rosters into one of the most talented in the NFL in just 3 seasons......no easy feat. It means that overall, they have hit on a lot more picks than they have missed on.
- They have turned the "culture" of the team completely around, into one in which good FA players want to join the team. That was not the case 3 years ago... Now, they probably have one of the best locker rooms in the game.
- They have a clear vision of the team they want to be....one that can run the ball down the throat of an opponent (taking pressure off of their QB) and dominate on the D-line, which puts consistent pressure on said opponent. History tells us that is a good recipe for success...
- They value "high character" players (players that in general, put the team first, will work really hard to get better, and perhaps most importantly, love the game of football, playing through injuries and doing anything to win).
OK....so what does that mean when it comes to this draft?
1) DL KInlaw, in addition to being a physical freak, is motivated to be great, not just good! The Niners' D-line coach, Kris Kucurek, pushed Lynch / Shan hard to pick him because he thinks this player can be an absolute stud... We'll see of course, but Kinlaw passes all of the character traits listed above. He is raw and unpolished granted, so Kucurek's job will be to get the most out of him...and KK has a nice track record of getting the most out of a guy (see Arik Armstead)...
2) WR Aiyuk, in addition to being the best college player this past year in terms of YAC, he has ridiculously long arms so he plays 2-3" taller than his actual height (great "catch radius") and is versatile, a quality the Niners value highly (see Bill Belichick).
3) OL McKivitz, like Aiyuk, is a versatile player that can conceivably play 4 different positions on the O-line. Like MD stated, he is probably best suited to OG, because of his physical "limitations" but at the very least, the team got a quality back-up player. This guy is a fighter and a tough SOB.
4) TE Woerner, may be a bit one-dimensional but if you all recall, that was the rap on Kittle coming out of college. We really don't know if Woerner can be a threat catching the ball because in college, he was given so few opportunities. From what I saw on film, he looks pretty fluid catching the ball and can at least be respectable doing so....and even if he isn't, he is a stud blocking TE, the best in college this past year according to PFF...
5) WR Jennings had the most broken tackles of any WR in the draft and has great balance. He is also considered a "mean" player, which translates into...this guy wants to beat his man on every play and physically punish his opponent, whether it be in the pass or run game. He has a lot of work to do on his game for sure, but did you all know that his 40 time is actually better than Anquan Boldin's was coming out of college? Sometimes, pure speed is not the only determining factor in rating a player.
Now....what do all these guys have in common? First, they are tough as nails!! Not only that, they want to win (team first guys), will work their a**es off to get better, and in the case of all of the offensive guys they picked, will block the hell out of their opponents. Remember, the Niners like to run the ball...
So, in summation, the Niners, unlike Dallas for example, do not necessarily pick the most talented players available... They pick guys that will fit their systems on offense and defense and have a high probability of success. Now, history has shown that they don't always hit on every pick (even Bill Walsh didn't....even in the epic 1986 draft).... However, Lynch / Shan put together a SB roster in less than 3 years so I think they have a pretty damn good track record and deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Feels great, baby!
Originally posted by longterm9erfan
Since Lynch / Shan have taken over in the front office of the Niners, they have turned one of the least talented rosters into one of the most talented in the NFL in just 3 seasons......no easy feat. It means that overall, they have hit on a lot more picks than they have missed on.
Originally posted by 49erF90:
You freakin hit the G-Spot man!!!! Drafting is not just computing math and stats and watching tapes because there are a lot of factors that a naked eye don't see to a prospect's chances of succeeding in the pros. There's a BIG JUMP from college to pros that's why a lot of them failed even if they were so athletically sexy pick during the draft. It's not always just the tangibles, and in fact, you can argue though, intangibles are more important than the former. That's why you have to go out there and get to know these guys PERSONALLY and talk to their families, coaches, girlfriends, friends, teachers, pastors, gym trainers, etc. and you GET PAID for doing these things. I respect the effort of you guys watching tapes and scribbling notes and compute stat percentages and make charts and comparisons and stuff but THIS IS NOT ENOUGH. Do you think the 49ers FO and scouts don't have MADDOG's works, research and information that he mostly got from the internet? But to be fair and with respect to MADDOG, we really appreciate his efforts and initiative. Thank you Longtermninerfan for your more elaborate post.
Originally posted by dhp318:
If you're drafting #2, #9, and #2, in addition to the high draft picks in the previous few years, you should be able to get high level talent (and once again, no, I'm not including #31 because once again it has nothing to do with this specific microdebate).
Originally posted by dhp318:Originally posted by longterm9erfan
Since Lynch / Shan have taken over in the front office of the Niners, they have turned one of the least talented rosters into one of the most talented in the NFL in just 3 seasons......no easy feat. It means that overall, they have hit on a lot more picks than they have missed on.
Drafting for fit while getting high draft picks plus good coaching has allowed the organization to get the best of both worlds - high level talent that fits where they need it. Not to say that this regime has been bad at drafting. They've been solid.
Originally posted by maxsmart:
Actually I don't think they have the best talent. Last year their OL was below average McG is average, Staley was injured, IOL was BAD!). Their WR's were average. The RB's are all UDFA's. The DB's are below average.
I think they won because of great attitude / great locker room / great teamwork. And good fits for the system. And great coaching by Shanahan.
Their drafting has been below average. it was very bad their 1st year, but has gotten better and is now good.
They have been great at recruiting UDFA and other FA. But they have now spent all of their money so FA will now be hard to sign.
Originally posted by Vancouver49er:Originally posted by maxsmart:Actually I don't think they have the best talent. Last year their OL was below average McG is average, Staley was injured, IOL was BAD!). Their WR's were average. The RB's are all UDFA's. The DB's are below average.
I think they won because of great attitude / great locker room / great teamwork. And good fits for the system. And great coaching by Shanahan.
Their drafting has been below average. it was very bad their 1st year, but has gotten better and is now good.
They have been great at recruiting UDFA and other FA. But they have now spent all of their money so FA will now be hard to sign.
U are right, Was watching the repeat of the 2nd last game last season (Week 16 ) between the Rams and us. Painful watching JG get sacked 6 times, and then taking multiple sacks again Week 17 vs Seahawks. Granted JG held on to the ball too long on a couple of the sacks, but where was his protection on the OLine? Also watched our secondary get burnt repeatedly in those 2 games. The coaching was the difference. Our guys made plays when they had to. And they never gave up. 3 seasons ago, we would have lost those close games. But they have a confidence about them now. I am actually convinced that this is a long term sustainable team and concept they have. Even when with the Harbaugh SB team, I always thought it was a one and done. Not this crew.