MadDog49er 2020 NFL Draft Review

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Actually I don't think they have the best talent. Last year their OL was below average McG is average, Staley was injured, IOL was BAD!). Their WR's were average. The RB's are all UDFA's. The DB's are below average.

I think they won because of great attitude / great locker room / great teamwork. And good fits for the system. And great coaching by Shanahan.

Their drafting has been below average. it was very bad their 1st year, but has gotten better and is now good.
They have been great at recruiting UDFA and other FA. But they have now spent all of their money so FA will now be hard to sign.

When you are assessing positions, I am not sure that dismissing the running backs as UDFA's has any value, even if it was true, which it isn't. Tevin Coleman was a 3rd round pick of Atlanta and McKinnon was a 3rd round pick of Minnesota. But finding players of the value of Breida and Mostert after the draft has concluded is remarkable and doesn't reflect in any way on the talent level.

The 2019 draft was nothing short of exceptional.

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Originally posted by luis1985:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

What did the Niner WRs do wrong and/or different from the chiefs in the SB? Other than not have the bell delivered to them

Show up when it mattered most. With their play plus Jimmy G missing players as well definitely hurt us. If we had Hill... it be a different story 100% (Unless you have a huge meltdown like Shanahan with Falcons). Speed and talent kills.

Hmm...so not showing up is Sanders beating coverage for what should have been a go ahead TD? Or Deebo repeatedly beating coverage and get open in key situations in the 4th only to not have the ball come his way? The Only difference between what Hill did and what the niner WRs didn't do was the chiefs offense executing and then Moseley having a brain fart. I love jimmy and think he will get them a SB, but hill wouldn't have mattered for s**t on the niners if Jimmy is not making his reads and seeing guys. Not really sure where this WR being the issue narrative is coming from, other than people griping about going with Aiyuk vs Lamb. And full disclosure I was 100% on board with taking a WR, but it's not because of what happened in the SB

You're telling me that the best schemer on the planet couldn't scheme people open in the second half? Or that our WRs were consistently beating coverage but jimmy missed everyone?

A true #1 matters.

Lamb woulda killed, not only because he's talented, but because he's a super alpha male. Kinda like TO. We need that energy on offense.

Still hoping that our new WR kills it too.

You're not reading, and apparently didn't watch the Superbowl either. Receivers were open in the second half.

Sure they were. When the chiefs are getting pressure every play up the middle and we didn't call rollouts just straight drop back passes how do we hit the open WR?

Shanny choked. But besides that, none of his speedy, open WRs were drawing coverage away from the middle of the field so the chiefs could triple kittle and pressure garoppolo.

Guess we don't need a TO drawing coverage away or making a play on his own. We just need a bunch of speedy guys so shanny can call the wrong plays!

How open are they when every team knows where the ball is going? Up the middle. Sure, jimmy missed some but the play calling hurt a lot and lacking a WR that draws coverage away hurts too. But you know better cause cossell said so.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Actually I don't think they have the best talent. Last year their OL was below average McG is average, Staley was injured, IOL was BAD!). Their WR's were average. The RB's are all UDFA's. The DB's are below average.

I think they won because of great attitude / great locker room / great teamwork. And good fits for the system. And great coaching by Shanahan.

Their drafting has been below average. it was very bad their 1st year, but has gotten better and is now good.
They have been great at recruiting UDFA and other FA. But they have now spent all of their money so FA will now be hard to sign.

I don't think they have close to the best talent either. Just good talent, some of which they overpaid for to get better quicker. I think the 20011-2013 49ers were much more talented, for instance

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Not for me, and here is why.....the Niners missed a golden opportunity to solve their biggest problem....the passing game. The team has lacked a star wide receiver for a LONG time, and had the opportunity to solve this issue and really help Jimmy G by selecting the best player on the board.......in Ceedee Lamb. The team did well in selecting Deebo last year, but Lamb is even better, and is a game changer. Best value in drafting is matching the best player on the board with team need. Never pass on a blue chipper to fill a need. The Cowboys played this smart, selecting Lamb at 17. He wasn't a huge need....but you can't pass on stars. In this case, for the Niners, Lamb was a blue chip player at the biggest position of need. Missed opportunity for me. I liked the trade down from #13 to #14, but we are going to toss those extra assets away in the next pick.

Disagree to 99% given the following circumstances:
- Saleh is meh, hence he needs talent
- Shanahan is GOAT hence he does not need blue chip WR
- if you need to fill two huge holes, one on d-line the other one on WR, d-line comes always first

I get that you would rather go for a blue chip WR than a non-blue-chip-d-liner. Hence, 99% disagreement instead of 100%.
Imho, the trenches have to be stellar, always. Whereas a stellar WR won't help you, think AJ Green, OBJ, Fitzgerald (earlier days).

Originally posted by communist:
Disagree to 99% given the following circumstances:
- Saleh is meh, hence he needs talent
- Shanahan is GOAT hence he does not need blue chip WR
- if you need to fill two huge holes, one on d-line the other one on WR, d-line comes always first

I get that you would rather go for a blue chip WR than a non-blue-chip-d-liner. Hence, 99% disagreement instead of 100%.
Imho, the trenches have to be stellar, always. Whereas a stellar WR won't help you, think AJ Green, OBJ, Fitzgerald (earlier days).

I agree with Saleh. He is dumb as hell.

Shanny is a good offensive mind but you claim that he doesn't need a blue chip WR. But his draft philosophy says otherwise. Over the past two years, they used 8 draft picks to either trade for receivers or draft them. Only Deebo panned out. They used MASSIVE draft capital to get horrible results.

And you could argue that WR was a bigger need than DL on draft night

Originally posted by pdizo916:
I agree with Saleh. He is dumb as hell.

Shanny is a good offensive mind but you claim that he doesn't need a blue chip WR. But his draft philosophy says otherwise. Over the past two years, they used 8 draft picks to either trade for receivers or draft them. Only Deebo panned out. They used MASSIVE draft capital to get horrible results.

And you could argue that WR was a bigger need than DL on draft night

But not a single time we were after a WR high. Imho, it is the same philosophy as with RBs, the Shanahans don't need stellar WR or RB necessarily, they can work with day-2- or day-3-picks pretty well.

Originally posted by communist:
But not a single time we were after a WR high. Imho, it is the same philosophy as with RBs, the Shanahans don't need stellar WR or RB necessarily, they can work with day-2- or day-3-picks pretty well.

I disagree. They tried numerous times and used tremendous draft capital since 2018 to get "that guy" in their system.

Pettis costed them a 2nd and a 3rd
Samuel was drafted with a very high 2nd round pick
Hurd was drafted with a very high 3rd round pick
Sanders were traded for a 3rd and 4th round picks
Aiyuk costed them their 1st and a 4th.

A 2nd and a 3rd could have probably landed a top flight WR DeAndre Hopkins but they chose to go down a different route. They were better off trading those picks for proven players and re-signing them. A team doesn't use that much draft capital within two years if a WR isn't a priority for them.