2021 OL prospects

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Anyways, let's focus on improving the pass protection unit no matter the QB in here.

You should talk. It's always about the pass rush with you. Geez just for once think about our pass blocking.

LOL

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Not in the first rd

Did you even read my post above this? I said a CB in the first and Humphrey in the second.

NY only reads his own posts. Verified.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ark49er:

If Wyatt Davis is there for the 49ers when their selection comes up, you take him and start popping bottles of your best champagne 🍾. Outside of Lawrence, there isn't a better more tailored made player with a first round grade for the 49ers then him. If he's there then that becomes a very easy pick to make. Davis takes our offense to another level imo.

wut?

Wyatt Davis at 15? He's a good prospect but he's not a game changing player and doesn't play an impactful position.

I feel like this is groundhog day. It would be for US if he's an excellent pass protector. Far more impactful than a DT, that's for damn sure...esp. given he'd give you twice as many snaps in year 1.

15 might be another great spot to trade down though and bypass the better player again (Wirfs) for a Kinlaw and Aiyuk type of deal again if you think the top G will go in the area of Ruiz again (24) but HarbaughzDeep is probably right in that someone will take him well before that.

I'm definitely with you on ER though.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not in the first rd

Did you even read my post above this? I said a CB in the first and Humphrey in the second.

NY only reads his own posts. Verified.

Didn't know I had to read multiple posts

NC I could say a TON about your posts...but I'll leave it alone. We all know what you do lol

Anyway....you should be filming up on all these IOL in the upcoming draft, that's your job this off season... figure out who we should draft on the IOL. Who fits this team as far as skill set and scheme goes. Put your name on it and I'm not talking about just grabbing whomever is the top rated IOL and saying "that's my guy" lol.

For me, I put a lot of time into the draft process. I'm not even close to amazing at it, but I've shown you a track record of a lot of the lineman I targeted throughout the yrs that have become starters. You tried calling me out with Kin (yet didn't read my posts about how I thought he was a top 15 pick & my #1DT, how's that for not reading posts HA).

I just want to see something from ya, you're really good at complaining about it....let's see who you want and why?

No hate, just want to see

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Not in the first rd

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Did you even read my post above this? I said a CB in the first and Humphrey in the second.

NY only reads his own posts. Verified.

Didn't know I had to read multiple posts

NC I could say a TON about your posts...but I'll leave it alone. We all know what you do lol

Anyway....you should be filming up on all these IOL in the upcoming draft, that's your job this off season... figure out who we should draft on the IOL. Who fits this team as far as skill set and scheme goes. Put your name on it and I'm not talking about just grabbing whomever is the top rated IOL and saying "that's my guy" lol.

For me, I put a lot of time into the draft process. I'm not even close to amazing at it, but I've shown you a track record of a lot of the lineman I targeted throughout the yrs that have become starters. You tried calling me out with Kin (yet didn't read my posts about how I thought he was a top 15 pick & my #1DT, how's that for not reading posts HA).

I just want to see something from ya, you're really good at complaining about it....let's see who you want and why?

No hate, just want to see

I never said you didn't reference him as a potential pick...we ALL knew there was a real chance they'd simply swap out the big hole left by Buckner. But that's not what YOU wanted and I agreed. That was my point. Other positions clearly move the needle more and we had a lot to fill in those areas. Your off season plan was the exact same as mine. I'm just sticking with it.

You've missed my mock drafts over the years then. I had OL littered throughout in every year...like you.

And you are and will continue to be a huge resource for them as you have a strong eye for OL like many in these draft threads.

We only disagree on value and volume overall despite the FO's repeated failure in both aspects (undervaluing certain positions and lack of young developing resources over the years at all 5 spots). You're cool with get-by guys. I'm looking for big upgrades esp. in pass protection and think OL = DL in a passing league.

So it's been loooong overdue to take this unit serious given how much it's cost us (Superbowl, injured QB's x3, fans wanting to go another QB suddenly, etc.).

We HAVE to be able to win outside the HaRoman formula: great running game, defense and game managing passing game focused 100% on being conservative by being turnover-centric.

TBF, it's been pretty discouraging even adding OL to a mock draft. Seems almost futile unless it's a known huge loss like Trent Williams.

PS: No hate here either. I look forward to yours as well. From your early reports, far more talented OL in this class so I expect to see some higher resources used esp. at C and RG (even if not a first).

Patrick Surtain II in the first, long, fast, can play matching zone or man, smart corner raised on football.

Landon Dickerson in the 2nd.

We secure C to have a big time boost on the line, have Surtain and Verrett along with Ward and Moore in the secondary behind a returning Bosa, AA and Kinlaw = 🔥

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ark49er:

If Wyatt Davis is there for the 49ers when their selection comes up, you take him and start popping bottles of your best champagne 🍾. Outside of Lawrence, there isn't a better more tailored made player with a first round grade for the 49ers then him. If he's there then that becomes a very easy pick to make. Davis takes our offense to another level imo.

wut?

Wyatt Davis at 15? He's a good prospect but he's not a game changing player and doesn't play an impactful position.

I feel like this is groundhog day. It would be for US if he's an excellent pass protector. Far more impactful than a DT, that's for damn sure...esp. given he'd give you twice as many snaps in year 1.

15 might be another great spot to trade down though and bypass the better player again (Wirfs) for a Kinlaw and Aiyuk type of deal again if you think the top G will go in the area of Ruiz again (24) but HarbaughzDeep is probably right in that someone will take him well before that.

I'm definitely with you on ER though.

So you'd take Wirfs over Kinlaw/Ayiuk?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ark49er:

If Wyatt Davis is there for the 49ers when their selection comes up, you take him and start popping bottles of your best champagne 🍾. Outside of Lawrence, there isn't a better more tailored made player with a first round grade for the 49ers then him. If he's there then that becomes a very easy pick to make. Davis takes our offense to another level imo.

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wut?

Wyatt Davis at 15? He's a good prospect but he's not a game changing player and doesn't play an impactful position.

I feel like this is groundhog day. It would be for US if he's an excellent pass protector. Far more impactful than a DT, that's for damn sure...esp. given he'd give you twice as many snaps in year 1.

15 might be another great spot to trade down though and bypass the better player again (Wirfs) for a Kinlaw and Aiyuk type of deal again if you think the top G will go in the area of Ruiz again (24) but HarbaughzDeep is probably right in that someone will take him well before that.

I'm definitely with you on ER though.

So you'd take Wirfs over Kinlaw/Ayiuk?

Oh man, that's a really tough one. You can't lose either way. 99% of the time I'm all about making small trade backs for more draft capital. Wirfs is definitely the better player and we could certainly use him on this line over a DT but the value they got in the trade back and adding both Kinlaw and really, Aiyuk is nice PLUS we already had a run blocking RT that Kyle hand picked.

It's a classic BPA. If Trent Williams leaves that really makes the BPA argument more viable with Wirfs. I think they did the right thing and neither is the wrong answer IMHO.

You?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Oh man, that's a really tough one. You can't lose either way. 99% of the time I'm all about making small trade backs for more draft capital. Wirfs is definitely the better player and we could certainly use him on this line over a DT but the value they got in the trade back and adding both Kinlaw and really, Aiyuk is nice PLUS we already had a run blocking RT that Kyle hand picked.

It's a classic BPA. If Trent Williams leaves that really makes the BPA argument more viable with Wirfs. I think they did they right thing and neither is the wrong answer IMHO.

You?

I would take the Kinlaw/Ayiuk combo all day everyday. I think Kinlaw is going to be the best player of the 2 as time goes on and Ayiuk is having a comparable rookie year to Wirfs, granted different positions Factor in they would be taking a guy at 14 who would be playing G and they would lose out on one of the upper echelon WRs, to me it is a no brainer.
RE: Wirfs, Donovan Smith has not been very good and Wirfs didn't take over LT and not sure he's going to, so not sure i would bank on him being a LT if Williams leaves.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Oh man, that's a really tough one. You can't lose either way. 99% of the time I'm all about making small trade backs for more draft capital. Wirfs is definitely the better player and we could certainly use him on this line over a DT but the value they got in the trade back and adding both Kinlaw and really, Aiyuk is nice PLUS we already had a run blocking RT that Kyle hand picked.

It's a classic BPA. If Trent Williams leaves that really makes the BPA argument more viable with Wirfs. I think they did they right thing and neither is the wrong answer IMHO.

You?

I would take the Kinlaw/Ayiuk combo all day everyday. I think Kinlaw is going to be the best player of the 2 as time goes on and Ayiuk is having a comparable rookie year to Wirfs, granted different positions Factor in they would be taking a guy at 14 who would be playing G and they would lose out on one of the upper echelon WRs, to me it is a no brainer.
RE: Wirfs, Donovan Smith has not been very good and Wirfs didn't take over LT and not sure he's going to, so not sure i would bank on him being a LT if Williams leaves.

Correct...although he'd have to be unless you want McGlinchey at LT.

But yeah, nothing wrong with your take at all. OL far and away was the bigger need but like you said, now you're playing Wirfs at G and like Ruiz moving to G from C, that's not always ideal and TBH, nothing was going to make a huge difference this year. 2020 had it out for us.

Originally posted by NCommand:

I feel like this is groundhog day. It would be for US if he's an excellent pass protector. Far more impactful than a DT, that's for damn sure...esp. given he'd give you twice as many snaps in year 1.

15 might be another great spot to trade down though and bypass the better player again (Wirfs) for a Kinlaw and Aiyuk type of deal again if you think the top G will go in the area of Ruiz again (24) but HarbaughzDeep is probably right in that someone will take him well before that.

I'm definitely with you on ER though.

Well you're the IOL guru, is he a great pass protector? You watch him last yr and this yr? Let's get a breakdown

I'm not gonna debate DT vs IOL...we all know what the majority of the NFL values more.

From my POV Wyatt is the best IOL in this draft (still a ton of time to digest everything). He's got the ideal size you want. Decent movement ability, does have some problems blocking in space. He's got a mean streak. I think he's a better run-blocker then pass-protector which is fine. He's a "safe pick" is he gonna be a pro-bowler? I don't know.

I mean he's a very good prospect. I don't think a RG at 15 is gonna magically transform this team. IMO if you're drafting a guard that high you'd better be getting a all-pro talent. End of the day a RG just isn't an massively impactful position. Look at Brandon Scherff what they spent a top 5 pick on him? Great player...did it improve their team drastically? Not really.

As far as your other comment, don't think Wirfs is straight up better than Kinlaw either. Both are highly regarded talents that play different positions. It's silly to judge a rookie player yr 1 we all know this. I poke fun of how bad Ruiz has been...truth is he's just a rookie.

IMO if they don't go QB or make a move up for one and a top edge player isn't sitting there, I'd move down. This draft so far from what I've seen isn't chalk full of elite talent at the positions we want to upgrade...there is some good depth and guys that should be starters though.

Humphrey And Ealy are too lineman to watch tonight.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Humphrey And Ealy are too lineman to watch tonight.

I'd take Humphrey in the second round. Hell... I'd even trade up a bit for him. He's not the perfect scheme fit. But he'd almost single handedly fix our interior pass protection issues.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Oh man, that's a really tough one. You can't lose either way. 99% of the time I'm all about making small trade backs for more draft capital. Wirfs is definitely the better player and we could certainly use him on this line over a DT but the value they got in the trade back and adding both Kinlaw and really, Aiyuk is nice PLUS we already had a run blocking RT that Kyle hand picked.

It's a classic BPA. If Trent Williams leaves that really makes the BPA argument more viable with Wirfs. I think they did they right thing and neither is the wrong answer IMHO.

You?

I would take the Kinlaw/Ayiuk combo all day everyday. I think Kinlaw is going to be the best player of the 2 as time goes on and Ayiuk is having a comparable rookie year to Wirfs, granted different positions Factor in they would be taking a guy at 14 who would be playing G and they would lose out on one of the upper echelon WRs, to me it is a no brainer.
RE: Wirfs, Donovan Smith has not been very good and Wirfs didn't take over LT and not sure he's going to, so not sure i would bank on him being a LT if Williams leaves.

Correct...although he'd have to be unless you want McGlinchey at LT.

But yeah, nothing wrong with your take at all. OL far and away was the bigger need but like you said, now you're playing Wirfs at G and like Ruiz moving to G from C, that's not always ideal and TBH, nothing was going to make a huge difference this year. 2020 had it out for us.

Lol No, wouldn't want him there. But doubtful Williams leaves so it's probably a moot point
But that's debatable that OL was far and away the bigger need. They brought in Williams and the prognosis was that Richburg would be back. They also did not anticipate being down to a 5th on the depth chart C Plus they spent a 5th on a RG to complete with Brunskill. They were bringing back a good, SB caliber OL with the best LT in football thrown in the mix. . Meanwhile they had just lost Buckner at a position group that makes this team go and Sanders, leaving them woefully thin at WR. So they got both Buckners replacement and an upper echelon WR vs a RG.

Now this time around, I do think C/G needs to be a priority

Originally posted by NYniner85:

From my POV Wyatt is the best IOL in this draft (still a ton of time to digest everything). He's got the ideal size you want. Decent movement ability, does have some problems blocking in space. He's got a mean streak. I think he's a better run-blocker then pass-protector which is fine. He's a "safe pick" is he gonna be a pro-bowler? I don't know.

I mean he's a very good prospect. I don't think a RG at 15 is gonna magically transform this team. IMO if you're drafting a guard that high you'd better be getting a all-pro talent. End of the day a RG just isn't an massively impactful position. Look at Brandon Scherff what they spent a top 5 pick on him? Great player...did it improve their team drastically? Not really.

As far as your other comment, don't think Wirfs is straight up better than Kinlaw either. Both are highly regarded talents that play different positions. It's silly to judge a rookie player yr 1 we all know this. I poke fun of how bad Ruiz has been...truth is he's just a rookie.

IMO if they don't go QB or make a move up for one and a top edge player isn't sitting there, I'd move down. This draft so far from what I've seen isn't chalk full of elite talent at the positions we want to upgrade...there is some good depth and guys that should be starters though.

I'm not usually in favor or a G at 15 either unless I feel he can start out at G and plan for T in the future knowing someone like Staley or Williams will be gone soon.

So I'm kind of leaning more towards another trade down like last year. Same on QB and ER.

Thanks for this thread. I can't wait to really dive into this pool.