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Nothing that happened in this game changes the fact that he's QB1.

No one would be upset at the Jags if they take Lawrence and he doesn't Pan out. The majority got fooled.

If you don't take him #1 and he becomes what he's projected to become, good luck to the coach and gm.

Originally posted by HERN:

Nothing that happened in this game changes the fact that he's QB1.

No one would be upset at the Jags if they take Lawrence and he doesn't Pan out. The majority got fooled.

If you don't take him #1 and he becomes what he's projected to become, good luck to the coach and gm.

So your analysis is that it's ok to take Lawrence number one because hes supposed to be number one?

You are a microcosm of the issue. This reminds me of when Mike Mayock had Robert Ayers as his number 2 rated player in the draft years ago. I was at home saying "who the hell is that?", but sure enough, like lemmings, the other "experts" hopped aboard and put him on their top 10 as well.

Obviously the situation is different, but since the 'Bama game 2 years ago everyone has made it a point to say that Lawrence is greatest quarterback ever and refuse to move from that stance.

This is despite his good, but not great play last year. This is despite him not looking spectacular when he should.

I guess my point is, dont be lazy. Do your homework. Really evaluate if you're going to make such a demonstrative statement. Lawrence is super talented, but so is Fields... arguably more so. Its fine if you believe Lawrence is better, but an argument definitely could and should be made.

What sets Lawrence apart are his intangibles and leadership abilities.

But not sure what happened to his defense.

It's still Lawrence > Fields and it's not even that close IMO.

Looking at yesterdays game and the LSU game the Clemson defense got dominated. As good as he is I don't see him as a great come from behind QB. Maybe they were impossible tasks with a subpar defense. Right now I can't imagine him getting behind like Mahomes did every playoff game last year and coming back to win. Understandably, few ever could pull that off. If he is as perfect as we have been told he should be able to uplift the team when down. Lawrence should be graded hard considering how he is considered a generational talent. What he did to Alabama as a freshman was scary. Has he improved much?

All these quarterbacks that run better learn how to get down safely before getting hit in the NFL. Even Jones had a run and awkwardly slid looking like his knee got a little tweaked.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
So your analysis is that it's ok to take Lawrence number one because hes supposed to be number one?

You are a microcosm of the issue. This reminds me of when Mike Mayock had Robert Ayers as his number 2 rated player in the draft years ago. I was at home saying "who the hell is that?", but sure enough, like lemmings, the other "experts" hopped aboard and put him on their top 10 as well.

Obviously the situation is different, but since the 'Bama game 2 years ago everyone has made it a point to say that Lawrence is greatest quarterback ever and refuse to move from that stance.

This is despite his good, but not great play last year. This is despite him not looking spectacular when he should.

I guess my point is, dont be lazy. Do your homework. Really evaluate if you're going to make such a demonstrative statement. Lawrence is super talented, but so is Fields... arguably more so. Its fine if you believe Lawrence is better, but an argument definitely could and should be made.

He threw 36 TDs and 8 INTs last year. What are you talking about?

I guess Niner fans can dream that Lawrence will drop in the draft because of this game and we can draft him at 15.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

What sets Lawrence apart are his intangibles and leadership abilities.

But not sure what happened to his defense.

It's still Lawrence > Fields and it's not even that close IMO.

What intangibles and leadership qualities are those? Just curious. What has he done or shown that's proven hes ahead of Fields in those categories?

And for the love of God, will someone tell me why hes such a better prospect than Fields?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

So your analysis is that it's ok to take Lawrence number one because hes supposed to be number one?

You are a microcosm of the issue. This reminds me of when Mike Mayock had Robert Ayers as his number 2 rated player in the draft years ago. I was at home saying "who the hell is that?", but sure enough, like lemmings, the other "experts" hopped aboard and put him on their top 10 as well.

Obviously the situation is different, but since the 'Bama game 2 years ago everyone has made it a point to say that Lawrence is greatest quarterback ever and refuse to move from that stance.

This is despite his good, but not great play last year. This is despite him not looking spectacular when he should.

I guess my point is, dont be lazy. Do your homework. Really evaluate if you're going to make such a demonstrative statement. Lawrence is super talented, but so is Fields... arguably more so. Its fine if you believe Lawrence is better, but an argument definitely could and should be made.

He threw 36 TDs and 8 INTs last year. What are you talking about?

Yeah, those see good numbers for the "greatest quarterback ever" considering he played on a stacked roster, against s**tty competition and with unbelievable talent as his weapons.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

So your analysis is that it's ok to take Lawrence number one because hes supposed to be number one?

You are a microcosm of the issue. This reminds me of when Mike Mayock had Robert Ayers as his number 2 rated player in the draft years ago. I was at home saying "who the hell is that?", but sure enough, like lemmings, the other "experts" hopped aboard and put him on their top 10 as well.

Obviously the situation is different, but since the 'Bama game 2 years ago everyone has made it a point to say that Lawrence is greatest quarterback ever and refuse to move from that stance.

This is despite his good, but not great play last year. This is despite him not looking spectacular when he should.

I guess my point is, dont be lazy. Do your homework. Really evaluate if you're going to make such a demonstrative statement. Lawrence is super talented, but so is Fields... arguably more so. Its fine if you believe Lawrence is better, but an argument definitely could and should be made.

How bout you tell me why Fields is better. You're up here asking everyone to explain to YOU why Lawrence is superior and then proceed to disagree with whatever the answer is.

Lawrence is QB 1 since 2018. Why did Fields surpass him?


PS... DON'T YOU EVER!!!!! EVER IN YOUR LIFE USE WORDS I DON'T UNDERSTAND. Microcosm?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

I guess Niner fans can dream that Lawrence will drop in the draft because of this game and we can draft him at 15.

Not sure if this is in response to Deek comparing Lawrence and Fields, but I believe what he is saying is that they can/should be seen as 1A and 1B. Not that Lawrence would drop to 11 for the 49ers to draft.

I can see Deek's argument when he says that Lawrence and Fields are comparable. But, the difference is the hype with Lawrence being placed as #1 overall for the last few years. Even somewhat down play was not going to drop his status. He would've had to regress a lot for him to drop.

Originally posted by HERN:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

So your analysis is that it's ok to take Lawrence number one because hes supposed to be number one?

You are a microcosm of the issue. This reminds me of when Mike Mayock had Robert Ayers as his number 2 rated player in the draft years ago. I was at home saying "who the hell is that?", but sure enough, like lemmings, the other "experts" hopped aboard and put him on their top 10 as well.

Obviously the situation is different, but since the 'Bama game 2 years ago everyone has made it a point to say that Lawrence is greatest quarterback ever and refuse to move from that stance.

This is despite his good, but not great play last year. This is despite him not looking spectacular when he should.

I guess my point is, dont be lazy. Do your homework. Really evaluate if you're going to make such a demonstrative statement. Lawrence is super talented, but so is Fields... arguably more so. Its fine if you believe Lawrence is better, but an argument definitely could and should be made.

How bout you tell me why Fields is better. You're up here asking everyone to explain to YOU why Lawrence is superior and then proceed to disagree with whatever the answer is.

Lawrence is QB 1 since 2018. Why did Fields surpass him?


PS... DON'T YOU EVER!!!!! EVER IN YOUR LIFE USE WORDS I DON'T UNDERSTAND. Microcosm?

Did I make you google that? It's a good word, throw it in your back pocket for later.

Fields was the higher rated player out of high school, well, it more like a 1a - 1b situation. What Lawrence has over Fields is an extra year as a starter. That's it. But all the quarterback attributes he has, Fields also has.

Lawrence is a little better at timing routes right now and he doesnt have to gather himself to throw the deep ball like Fields tends to do. His release is also more natural and less mechanical than Fields making it easier for him to deliver the ball when things flash in front of him.

Fields throws a more accurate ball on all three levels and I feel he is much better moving around in the pocket... stepping up, retreating and moving laterally... all while keeping his eye downfield.

I actually feel that both players are excellent runners. Lowkey Lawrence probably runs in the high 4.5's low 4.6's.

Originally posted by InfiniteEight:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

I guess Niner fans can dream that Lawrence will drop in the draft because of this game and we can draft him at 15.

Not sure if this is in response to Deek comparing Lawrence and Fields, but I believe what he is saying is that they can/should be seen as 1A and 1B. Not that Lawrence would drop to 11 for the 49ers to draft.

I can see Deek's argument when he says that Lawrence and Fields are comparable. But, the difference is the hype with Lawrence being placed as #1 overall for the last few years. Even somewhat down play was not going to drop his status. He would've had to regress a lot for him to drop.

Thank you. Both players are extraordinary prospects, but the crowning of Lawrence doesnt mean that Fields isnt close to him, because he is.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Yeah, those see good numbers for the "greatest quarterback ever" considering he played on a stacked roster, against s**tty competition and with unbelievable talent as his weapons.

You speaking about Fields or Lawrence because you can say it about any elite school.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Yeah, those see good numbers for the "greatest quarterback ever" considering he played on a stacked roster, against s**tty competition and with unbelievable talent as his weapons.

You speaking about Fields or Lawrence because you can say it about any elite school.

In particular Lawrence, but yeah, I agree. His production has been really good, but with how hes been pitched as the best ever his production should be Burrow like.

He's dropping to 15