THE TREVOR LOTTERY

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
This guy sucks. I hope all the teams drafting in front of us avoid this bust.

He ran with the football out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. 3rd round draft pick at best. Would not draft, elbows way too pointy.

Exactly. Plus, he looks like a combination of Rodger Waters and Jar Jar Binks.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
All I know is that in his last three big games, hes looked very pedestrian. He hasnt shown an "it" factor or anything special in these games.

The jokes are cute, but it is what it is. Hes been beyond reproach his entire career because of his pedigree. He has never really been put under a microscope because its believed hes the next best thing.

But Fields has been beside him step for step and he can do everything that Lawrence can.

Just sayin'

they all said this about Haskins, especially after the Michigan game...

and before that, they all said the same about Cardale Jones, especially after the Alabama game... "College Football's LeBron James" ..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

All I know is that in his last three big games, hes looked very pedestrian. He hasnt shown an "it" factor or anything special in these games.

The jokes are cute, but it is what it is. Hes been beyond reproach his entire career because of his pedigree. He has never really been put under a microscope because its believed hes the next best thing.

But Fields has been beside him step for step and he can do everything that Lawrence can.

Just sayin'

they all said this about Haskins, especially after the Michigan game...

and before that, they all said the same about Cardale Jones, especially after the Alabama game... "College Football's LeBron James" ..

None of that is true. Cardale was a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
All I know is that in his last three big games, hes looked very pedestrian. He hasnt shown an "it" factor or anything special in these games.

The jokes are cute, but it is what it is. Hes been beyond reproach his entire career because of his pedigree. He has never really been put under a microscope because its believed hes the next best thing.

But Fields has been beside him step for step and he can do everything that Lawrence can.

Just sayin'

they all said this about Haskins, especially after the Michigan game...

and before that, they all said the same about Cardale Jones, especially after the Alabama game... "College Football's LeBron James" ..

None of that is true. Cardale was a 3rd or 4th round pick.

EXACTLY... don't let Ohio State offense blind you.. Everyone from that Urban Meyer touch of offense had WON and flourished..

Chris Leak
Tim Tebow
Alex Smith
JT Barrett
Cardale Jones
Dwayne Haskins

Fields is very talented, and he had a great game.. but those are EZ throws.. and personally, I think w/o the money involve, he'll benefit from staying for another year than sitting on the bench for one year in the NFL..

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

In particular Lawrence, but yeah, I agree. His production has been really good, but with how hes been pitched as the best ever his production should be Burrow like.

Andrew Luck was pitched as a generational talent and he didn't have Burrow like production.

Peyton Manning didn't either.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

In particular Lawrence, but yeah, I agree. His production has been really good, but with how hes been pitched as the best ever his production should be Burrow like.

Andrew Luck was pitched as a generational talent and he didn't have Burrow like production.

Peyton Manning didn't either.

Luck was on a run heavy Stanford team with not much talent outside.

Peyton played in a different era in a tough SEC.

Lawrence has NFL talent everywhere, plays against worse comp and they throw the ball all over the place.

Try again.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

All I know is that in his last three big games, hes looked very pedestrian. He hasnt shown an "it" factor or anything special in these games.

The jokes are cute, but it is what it is. Hes been beyond reproach his entire career because of his pedigree. He has never really been put under a microscope because its believed hes the next best thing.

But Fields has been beside him step for step and he can do everything that Lawrence can.

Just sayin'

they all said this about Haskins, especially after the Michigan game...

and before that, they all said the same about Cardale Jones, especially after the Alabama game... "College Football's LeBron James" ..

None of that is true. Cardale was a 3rd or 4th round pick.

EXACTLY... don't let Ohio State offense blind you.. Everyone from that Urban Meyer touch of offense had WON and flourished..

Chris Leak
Tim Tebow
Alex Smith
JT Barrett
Cardale Jones
Dwayne Haskins

Fields is very talented, and he had a great game.. but those are EZ throws.. and personally, I think w/o the money involve, he'll benefit from staying for another year than sitting on the bench for one year in the NFL..

I've read your posts before, you clearly have a bias against Ohio State. It's kinda weird actually. I've been over this with you before so I'll say this for the last time, only Haskins and Smith have been considered legit NFL quarterbacks.

You do understand that, right? You cant fault Meyer for not putting Barrett in the NFL when he was never, ever going to make it in the NFL. And we aren't even talking about Meyer, here, we are talking about Day. Hes a Meyer student, sure, but he also coached on the Eagles and 49ers.. he is his own man.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
All I know is that in his last three big games, hes looked very pedestrian. He hasnt shown an "it" factor or anything special in these games.

The jokes are cute, but it is what it is. Hes been beyond reproach his entire career because of his pedigree. He has never really been put under a microscope because its believed hes the next best thing.

But Fields has been beside him step for step and he can do everything that Lawrence can.

Just sayin'

they all said this about Haskins, especially after the Michigan game...

and before that, they all said the same about Cardale Jones, especially after the Alabama game... "College Football's LeBron James" ..

None of that is true. Cardale was a 3rd or 4th round pick.

EXACTLY... don't let Ohio State offense blind you.. Everyone from that Urban Meyer touch of offense had WON and flourished..

Chris Leak
Tim Tebow
Alex Smith
JT Barrett
Cardale Jones
Dwayne Haskins

Fields is very talented, and he had a great game.. but those are EZ throws.. and personally, I think w/o the money involve, he'll benefit from staying for another year than sitting on the bench for one year in the NFL..

I've read your posts before, you clearly have a bias against Ohio State. It's kinda weird actually. I've been over this with you before so I'll say this for the last time, only Haskins and Smith have been considered legit NFL quarterbacks.

You do understand that, right? You cant fault Meyer for not putting Barrett in the NFL when he was never, ever going to make it in the NFL. And we aren't even talking about Meyer, here, we are talking about Day. Hes a Meyer student, sure, but he also coached on the Eagles and 49ers.. he is his own man.

U KIDDING ME .. RIGHT ??

You didn't read any article about Jones being the LeBron James of NCAA and he would have been a 1st round pick had he came out??

I don't fault Meyer about Jarrett because I never even saw the guy nothing more than a LATE pick.. my point is, every where Meyer went, his QB had looked good... as for Fields, how many times do I need to POST that he is a very talented QB, and just like Haskins, I just DON'T THINK he's ready...

how is that BIAS against your Buckeye QBs??? I would have said the same thing w/Lawrence if he thought of coming out last year.. NOT once did I say he SUCKED..

YOU yourself would not even take FIELDS over Lawrence ... and again, Fields or even WILSON may end up a better QB than Trevor, but NO WAY THEY GET DRAFTED BEFORE TREVOR...

what part of that don't you AGREE ??

Originally posted by HERN:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
So your analysis is that it's ok to take Lawrence number one because hes supposed to be number one?

You are a microcosm of the issue. This reminds me of when Mike Mayock had Robert Ayers as his number 2 rated player in the draft years ago. I was at home saying "who the hell is that?", but sure enough, like lemmings, the other "experts" hopped aboard and put him on their top 10 as well.

Obviously the situation is different, but since the 'Bama game 2 years ago everyone has made it a point to say that Lawrence is greatest quarterback ever and refuse to move from that stance.

This is despite his good, but not great play last year. This is despite him not looking spectacular when he should.

I guess my point is, dont be lazy. Do your homework. Really evaluate if you're going to make such a demonstrative statement. Lawrence is super talented, but so is Fields... arguably more so. Its fine if you believe Lawrence is better, but an argument definitely could and should be made.

How bout you tell me why Fields is better. You're up here asking everyone to explain to YOU why Lawrence is superior and then proceed to disagree with whatever the answer is.

Lawrence is QB 1 since 2018. Why did Fields surpass him?

PS... DON'T YOU EVER!!!!! EVER IN YOUR LIFE USE WORDS I DON'T UNDERSTAND. Microcosm?

Hey Deek, why don't you just tell us who you would pick with the 1st overall pick this coming draft??

it's no point arguing who you like more and who you like less... or why you think one is better than the other...

again, WHO would you draft w/the first overall pick this year?

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
In particular Lawrence, but yeah, I agree. His production has been really good, but with how hes been pitched as the best ever his production should be Burrow like.

Andrew Luck was pitched as a generational talent and he didn't have Burrow like production.

Peyton Manning didn't either.

Luck was on a run heavy Stanford team with not much talent outside.

Peyton played in a different era in a tough SEC.

Lawrence has NFL talent everywhere, plays against worse comp and they throw the ball all over the place.

Try again.

... and can you imagine had Peyton gone to an offense like Florida's Fun n Gun ???

.. or Luck going to Oregon Quack Attach Offense under Kelly??

.. when they say GENERATIONAL, (IMO) I take that as a rare type of QB that can win with any type of offense... that you can insert the guy under center, pistol, run n shoot, ground chuck, and that QB will make it work..

.. The GOAT - JOE MONTANA for example, I doubt that he would have been as good as he was had been drafted by the Raiders where he had to throw down the field 75% of the time..

.. ELWAY - MANNING - LUCK ... and now TREVOR just had that IT..

... and 4 years from now, another CHOSEN ONE will be seen all over America ... and his name is ARCH !!!

Fields couldn't win the starting job at Georgia, cried racism, and transfered to OSU. He's a solid prospect....but isn't better than Lawrence. That's just a silly argument to even make.

Fields vs Wilson is much more interesting.

Originally posted by TrojanPV:

Fields couldn't win the starting job at Georgia, cried racism, and transfered to OSU. He's a solid prospect....but isn't better than Lawrence. That's just a silly argument to even make.

Fields vs Wilson is much more interesting.

Fields didnt win the starting job because Fromm's parents are big boosters in the program and basically forced the staffs hands.

"Irrefutable documentation that has nothing to do with racism was presented to the NCAA in support of OSU's request that Justin Fields be given a waiver," Mars said. "That information wasn't critical of -- and didn't reflect poorly on -- the UGA culture, the UGA administration or staff, any particular student, or the student body. And it certainly didn't reflect poorly on Justin or any member of his family. However, that documentation did provide support for the issuance of a waiver under the NCAA's rules."

His transfer had nothing to do with racism. In fact, despite him transferring, he still suited up and showed up to every game. He also visited Georgia in the offseason to hang out with some players. There is no bad blood there and nothing to be said about his character.

You can make a point without propping up a false narrative.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
In particular Lawrence, but yeah, I agree. His production has been really good, but with how hes been pitched as the best ever his production should be Burrow like.

Andrew Luck was pitched as a generational talent and he didn't have Burrow like production.

Peyton Manning didn't either.

Production is a product of the talent on the team. Even the best arm isn't going to complete a lot of passes if they have terrible WRs and rely on the running game. People often site the fact that not many QBs from OSU and Michigan have been successful in the NFL. Historically, those schools have been heavy run teams. It's only recently that they started opening up and passing more. Same with Alabama and other SEC teams. The formula used to be have a great defense and run the ball down their throat. They changed too a few years back.

So it turns out that the most coveted pick in the draft looks like an average QB, at best, when he's under pressure from a good pass rush. Nothing special about him in those situations. Not holding that against him, just pointing out that no matter who the QB is, if he's constantly under pressure it's hard as hell to get the ball downfield to receivers, weather in college or the pros.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

In particular Lawrence, but yeah, I agree. His production has been really good, but with how hes been pitched as the best ever his production should be Burrow like.

Andrew Luck was pitched as a generational talent and he didn't have Burrow like production.

Peyton Manning didn't either.

Luck was on a run heavy Stanford team with not much talent outside.

Peyton played in a different era in a tough SEC.

Lawrence has NFL talent everywhere, plays against worse comp and they throw the ball all over the place.

Try again.

Luck SR year 13 games :

404 pass attempts
3517 yards
37 TDs
10 Ints

Lawrence this yr 10 games :

334 pass attempts
3153 yards
24 TDs
5 Ints

Burrow last year had 527 pass attempts in 15 games. Burrow also had better receivers, including a guy who will be a top 10 and possibly top 5 pick.



Clemson haven't asked TL to throw the ball anywhere near as much as LSU did with JB.