Draft order without 2020 season

I'd trade for a haul, draft Micah Parsons, and figure out how to get him, Warner and Greenlaw all on the field at once.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Could you imagine if the niners won it, what a predicament Shanahan would face, say bye bye to Jimmy and take Trevor Lawrence or go Jamarr Chase or the OT from Oregon.

Why would we say bye bye to Garoppolo?

So you'd keep Jimmy G instead of drafting Trevor Lawrence ?

Hang on, I didn't say either. You were the one who came out with a decision. I see no reason to dump an established qb for a rookie. Cap-wise you could have 2- 3 years of carrying them both, if you wished. I don't like relying on a rookie, even one as good as Lawrence. There is a whole long list of top qb prospects who have busted.

YOU need to draft and keep TREVOR by all means.. you don't give away talent like that.. if he can stay healthy, the guy could be a GENERATIONAL player...

The kid has..

Joe - coolness
Peyton - student of the game
Tom - tenacity
Elway - arm
Young - athletecism

he being w/the team CAN trigger anything that Grappy needs to come out as a great QB..

plus, no matter what happens, TREVOR will always have that BLOCKBUSTER VALUE !!

Draft order without a 2020 season will be a fascinating discussion. While you never want the rich to get richer and poor to stay poor you also can't WAY disproportionately reward teams with 1 bad finish with 2x the capital that has ever been given - especially with 2 years of bonafide QB1 talents. Especially when some of those poor finishes were more 1 year anomalies. Imagine how absurd it would be for the Bengals to get Joe Burrows and Trevor Lawrence (both of which would have been worth 3 firsts in trade value) for just 1 bottom 10 finish in the past 5 years. Feels like it would have to be a lottery with best odds going to a weighted total of last 3 seasons combined.

If this were to happen then also look for other measures to maximize fairness such as...
1 - Inverse the draft order for rd 2-7 (teams that get screwed in the 30's pick top of the other rounds
2 - No trades for top 10 of Rd 1 and can't trade that player for atleast 2 seasons (would get really interesting for a team with a FQB that lands first overall)

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Could you imagine if the niners won it, what a predicament Shanahan would face, say bye bye to Jimmy and take Trevor Lawrence or go Jamarr Chase or the OT from Oregon.

Why would we say bye bye to Garoppolo?

So you'd keep Jimmy G instead of drafting Trevor Lawrence ?

Hang on, I didn't say either. You were the one who came out with a decision. I see no reason to dump an established qb for a rookie. Cap-wise you could have 2- 3 years of carrying them both, if you wished. I don't like relying on a rookie, even one as good as Lawrence. There is a whole long list of top qb prospects who have busted.

YOU need to draft and keep TREVOR by all means.. you don't give away talent like that.. if he can stay healthy, the guy could be a GENERATIONAL player...

The kid has..

Joe - coolness
Peyton - student of the game
Tom - tenacity
Elway - arm
Young - athletecism

he being w/the team CAN trigger anything that Grappy needs to come out as a great QB..

plus, no matter what happens, TREVOR will always have that BLOCKBUSTER VALUE !!

I think Trevor is Kaepernick on a better college team.

Sooo my question is, do the sophomores who were planning on declaring for the next draft, will they still be able to or do they have to play their 3rd year of college ball ? Sry if I worded it wrong but I think you'll understand what I'm trying to ask.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Could you imagine if the niners won it, what a predicament Shanahan would face, say bye bye to Jimmy and take Trevor Lawrence or go Jamarr Chase or the OT from Oregon.

Why would we say bye bye to Garoppolo?

So you'd keep Jimmy G instead of drafting Trevor Lawrence ?

Hang on, I didn't say either. You were the one who came out with a decision. I see no reason to dump an established qb for a rookie. Cap-wise you could have 2- 3 years of carrying them both, if you wished. I don't like relying on a rookie, even one as good as Lawrence. There is a whole long list of top qb prospects who have busted.

YOU need to draft and keep TREVOR by all means.. you don't give away talent like that.. if he can stay healthy, the guy could be a GENERATIONAL player...

The kid has..

Joe - coolness
Peyton - student of the game
Tom - tenacity
Elway - arm
Young - athletecism

he being w/the team CAN trigger anything that Grappy needs to come out as a great QB..

plus, no matter what happens, TREVOR will always have that BLOCKBUSTER VALUE !!

I think Trevor is Kaepernick on a better college team.

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Sooo my question is, do the sophomores who were planning on declaring for the next draft, will they still be able to or do they have to play their 3rd year of college ball ? Sry if I worded it wrong but I think you'll understand what I'm trying to ask.

You don't have to play 3 years, just be 3 years removed from highschool, so yes, they can declare. Many of them won't have had much playing time tho, and so won't have much on tape to be drafted by.

For order, as has been suggested, I think teams should be tiered for a lottery system with number of "tickets" or entries being based on the weighted average of previous 3 season's win loss record. For example, bottom 6 teams get 5 entries, next 10 get 3, rest get 1. A draw determines the order for the 1st round, and the rest of the draft snakes, meaning whoever picked last at the end of a round picks 1st at the start of the next. Comp picks are held seperate from the format at the end of each appropriate round.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Sooo my question is, do the sophomores who were planning on declaring for the next draft, will they still be able to or do they have to play their 3rd year of college ball ? Sry if I worded it wrong but I think you'll understand what I'm trying to ask.

You don't have to play 3 years, just be 3 years removed from highschool, so yes, they can declare. Many of them won't have had much playing time tho, and so won't have much on tape to be drafted by.

For order, as has been suggested, I think teams should be tiered for a lottery system with number of "tickets" or entries being based on the weighted average of previous 3 season's win loss record. For example, bottom 6 teams get 5 entries, next 10 get 3, rest get 1. A draw determines the order for the 1st round, and the rest of the draft snakes, meaning whoever picked last at the end of a round picks 1st at the start of the next. Comp picks are held seperate from the format at the end of each appropriate round.

I think it's unfair to go after teams' records for the last 3 years.. WHY NOT make it simple and have ONE PING PONG BALL for each TEAM and may the luckiest one WIN the Trevor Lottery.

After the 1st round, then just do a SNAKE draft for 10 rounds since a lot of HIDDEN talent will go un-notice this season..

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Sooo my question is, do the sophomores who were planning on declaring for the next draft, will they still be able to or do they have to play their 3rd year of college ball ? Sry if I worded it wrong but I think you'll understand what I'm trying to ask.

You don't have to play 3 years, just be 3 years removed from highschool, so yes, they can declare. Many of them won't have had much playing time tho, and so won't have much on tape to be drafted by.

For order, as has been suggested, I think teams should be tiered for a lottery system with number of "tickets" or entries being based on the weighted average of previous 3 season's win loss record. For example, bottom 6 teams get 5 entries, next 10 get 3, rest get 1. A draw determines the order for the 1st round, and the rest of the draft snakes, meaning whoever picked last at the end of a round picks 1st at the start of the next. Comp picks are held seperate from the format at the end of each appropriate round.

Ty for clearing up my confusion lol

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Sooo my question is, do the sophomores who were planning on declaring for the next draft, will they still be able to or do they have to play their 3rd year of college ball ? Sry if I worded it wrong but I think you'll understand what I'm trying to ask.

You don't have to play 3 years, just be 3 years removed from highschool, so yes, they can declare. Many of them won't have had much playing time tho, and so won't have much on tape to be drafted by.

For order, as has been suggested, I think teams should be tiered for a lottery system with number of "tickets" or entries being based on the weighted average of previous 3 season's win loss record. For example, bottom 6 teams get 5 entries, next 10 get 3, rest get 1. A draw determines the order for the 1st round, and the rest of the draft snakes, meaning whoever picked last at the end of a round picks 1st at the start of the next. Comp picks are held seperate from the format at the end of each appropriate round.

Ty for clearing up my confusion lol

You can enter the draft as a Redshirt Sophomore, which is 3yr removed from HS, it also means academically he's really a Junior.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Could you imagine if the niners won it, what a predicament Shanahan would face, say bye bye to Jimmy and take Trevor Lawrence or go Jamarr Chase or the OT from Oregon.

Why would we say bye bye to Garoppolo?

So you'd keep Jimmy G instead of drafting Trevor Lawrence ?

Hang on, I didn't say either. You were the one who came out with a decision. I see no reason to dump an established qb for a rookie. Cap-wise you could have 2- 3 years of carrying them both, if you wished. I don't like relying on a rookie, even one as good as Lawrence. There is a whole long list of top qb prospects who have busted.

YOU need to draft and keep TREVOR by all means.. you don't give away talent like that.. if he can stay healthy, the guy could be a GENERATIONAL player...

The kid has..

Joe - coolness
Peyton - student of the game
Tom - tenacity
Elway - arm
Young - athletecism

he being w/the team CAN trigger anything that Grappy needs to come out as a great QB..

plus, no matter what happens, TREVOR will always have that BLOCKBUSTER VALUE !!

I think Trevor is Kaepernick on a better college team.

Good for 2 years till the nfl catches up with him?

Originally posted by JMC52:
Good for 2 years till the nfl catches up with him?

He's a much better passer than Kaep ever was. Kaep ran a pistol offense in college and didn't have a sophisticated passing game. He had a strong arm but his accuracy was terrible.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JMC52:

Good for 2 years till the nfl catches up with him?

He's a much better passer than Kaep ever was. Kaep ran a pistol offense in college and didn't have a sophisticated passing game. He had a strong arm but his accuracy was terrible.

Lots of the same issues Kap had. With true commitment to football he can correct these issues unlike Kap.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JMC52:

Good for 2 years till the nfl catches up with him?

He's a much better passer than Kaep ever was. Kaep ran a pistol offense in college and didn't have a sophisticated passing game. He had a strong arm but his accuracy was terrible.

Lots of the same issues Kap had. With true commitment to football he can correct these issues unlike Kap.

Needs a haircut.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JMC52:
Good for 2 years till the nfl catches up with him?

He's a much better passer than Kaep ever was. Kaep ran a pistol offense in college and didn't have a sophisticated passing game. He had a strong arm but his accuracy was terrible.

Lots of the same issues Kap had. With true commitment to football he can correct these issues unlike Kap.

It's not a lot. Plus, he plays in a passing offense. Kap was basically a pistol offense at NV. While I do agree he needs to work on his accuracy a bit, but he's still young. He's already better as a passer than Kap ever was.