Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
That's why he is tier 2.

But the only guys I feel comfortable trading up for are Fields and Wilson. I'm okay with Jones at 12. Hesitant with Lance at 12 (because the aforementioned concern: not seen him do quick reaction reads/throws in a congested pocket), but if he's there you pull the trigger. 12 is an okay spot to get such a talented developmental QB.

As for Mond, clearly inconsistent. But he clearly has some talent and can certainly make plays. Like this for example:



Another developmental project. The question is draft value. It's easier to have a high adjusted completion percentage when you're throwing from a clean pocket all day and have talent around you.

Wilson, Fields and Jones are less of projections than Lance and Mond. So while there's a chance for greatness with Lance, he's more of a risk IMHO than the first three mentioned. Mond is also a risk but he will come with less risk because his draft status won't be so high.

Yes we've all seen that one amazing throw....Mond is not on the level as Lance IMO. You don't agree that's fine. He's had 4 yrs to "develop" and he's currently not even better than a 19 yr QB who was running a more of a pro offense then Mond was (he did have some pro-style concepts this yr though).

No more being a p***y about taking a chance on a big time QB talent. Make a damn move! have faith in the coaching staff and roster around a kid with elite talents.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
That's why he is tier 2.

But the only guys I feel comfortable trading up for are Fields and Wilson. I'm okay with Jones at 12. Hesitant with Lance at 12 (because the aforementioned concern: not seen him do quick reaction reads/throws in a congested pocket), but if he's there you pull the trigger. 12 is an okay spot to get such a talented developmental QB.

As for Mond, clearly inconsistent. But he clearly has some talent and can certainly make plays. Like this for example:



Another developmental project. The question is draft value. It's easier to have a high adjusted completion percentage when you're throwing from a clean pocket all day and have talent around you.

Wilson, Fields and Jones are less of projections than Lance and Mond. So while there's a chance for greatness with Lance, he's more of a risk IMHO than the first three mentioned. Mond is also a risk but he will come with less risk because his draft status won't be so high.

Yes we've all seen that one amazing throw....Mond is not on the level as Lance IMO. You don't agree that's fine. He's had 4 yrs to "develop" and he's currently not even better than a 19 yr QB who was running a more of a pro offense then Mond was (he did have some pro-style concepts this yr though).

No more being a p***y about taking a chance on a big time QB talent. Make a damn move! have faith in the coaching staff and roster around a kid with elite talents.

I mean I can find a number of great throws from him. But first let's be clear here: I didn't say that the two are on different levels. I believe they are very similar, with Lance probably having the better arm and Mond probably having the better ability to deal with pressure. They are both projects, and both carry risk. The only reason I would choose Mond over Lance is that Lance is going top ten and Mond is going top 150.

In fact let me make it a step clearer: based on developmental stage, Lance is the better prospect.

But I would not mortgage the future to trade up for him. Mond will have no such price. That's the only reason I'm spending some time looking at him.

I'm trading up for Wilson, Fields or Lance. I think all 3 will be studs with the right coaching and system, but I feel like Wilson and Lance would be must watch tv come sundays when the game slows down just a hunch between those 2

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
In fact let me make it a step clearer: based on developmental stage, Lance is the better prospect.

But I would not mortgage the future to trade up for him. Mond will have no such price. That's the only reason I'm spending some time looking at him.

I know you stated this many times...agree to disagree, my man.

I don't even know what "mortgaging the future" means? Giving up a future 1st isn't gonna f**k this teams future...sf lost two 1sts in their first draft and still went to a SB two yrs later.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
In fact let me make it a step clearer: based on developmental stage, Lance is the better prospect.

But I would not mortgage the future to trade up for him. Mond will have no such price. That's the only reason I'm spending some time looking at him.

I know you stated this many times...agree to disagree, my man.

I don't even know what "mortgaging the future" means? Giving up a future 1st isn't gonna f**k this teams future...sf lost two 1sts in their first draft and still went to a SB two yrs later.

It's that I don't feel Lance is a sure thing to be a great QB, which makes me reluctant to risk two firsts (and then some) to get him. "Potential is a fart in the wind," I like to say. Lance has potential for days. And he could probably run our offense out of the box in most circumstances (certainly the easy PA stuff and jet motion stuff Shanahan runs). For that reason he's worth a first to me. But two firsts is something I'd only spend on someone I was more confident with.

I've seen only about half of his games. Got more to watch. But it scares me to risk two firsts on a guy that I don't feel has a GOOD shot at being great. I think his chances of being a bust are fairly small. I feel his chances of being starter quality are solid. But for two firsts I need more confidence than that.

In any event, got more to watch.

I think Lance is the guy the Niners want. I wouldn't be surprised if they attempt a trade up on draft day.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think Lance is the guy the Niners want. I wouldn't be surprised if they attempt a trade up on draft day.

Why do you think that?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think Lance is the guy the Niners want. I wouldn't be surprised if they attempt a trade up on draft day.

Why do you think that?

It's just my opinion - but, I think he's the type of guy Shanahan looks for as far as size, arm strength and scrambling ability. Just a feeling I get, when I watch his tape. I think Shanny can do a lot with him.

Originally posted by mayo49:
It's just my opinion - but, I think he's the type of guy Shanahan looks for as far as size, arm strength and scrambling ability. Just a feeling I get, when I watch his tape. I think Shanny can do a lot with him.

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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
In fact let me make it a step clearer: based on developmental stage, Lance is the better prospect.

But I would not mortgage the future to trade up for him. Mond will have no such price. That's the only reason I'm spending some time looking at him.

I know you stated this many times...agree to disagree, my man.

I don't even know what "mortgaging the future" means? Giving up a future 1st isn't gonna f**k this teams future...sf lost two 1sts in their first draft and still went to a SB two yrs later.

It's that I don't feel Lance is a sure thing to be a great QB, which makes me reluctant to risk two firsts (and then some) to get him. "Potential is a fart in the wind," I like to say. Lance has potential for days. And he could probably run our offense out of the box in most circumstances (certainly the easy PA stuff and jet motion stuff Shanahan runs). For that reason he's worth a first to me. But two firsts is something I'd only spend on someone I was more confident with.

Well it's a good thing teams like the Bills and chiefs didn't think like this.. Or the Ravens/texans. Every single one of those prospects had top talent, but could have been a "potential fart in the wind" or whatever.

There is no perfect prospect and if there is one close enough...you need to be lucky enough to have the 1st pick in the draft on that given draft day.

if they value Lance/fields and think they're FQB talent then future picks mean nothing. So much depends on where these players go and the coaches/roster around them.

enough being timid on upgrading the most important position and possibly failing...only thing worse is doing nothing or investing next to nothing because you're afraid of failure. Can't succeed or be great doing that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
In fact let me make it a step clearer: based on developmental stage, Lance is the better prospect.

But I would not mortgage the future to trade up for him. Mond will have no such price. That's the only reason I'm spending some time looking at him.

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I know you stated this many times...agree to disagree, my man.

I don't even know what "mortgaging the future" means? Giving up a future 1st isn't gonna f**k this teams future...sf lost two 1sts in their first draft and still went to a SB two yrs later.

It's that I don't feel Lance is a sure thing to be a great QB, which makes me reluctant to risk two firsts (and then some) to get him. "Potential is a fart in the wind," I like to say. Lance has potential for days. And he could probably run our offense out of the box in most circumstances (certainly the easy PA stuff and jet motion stuff Shanahan runs). For that reason he's worth a first to me. But two firsts is something I'd only spend on someone I was more confident with.

Well it's a good thing teams like the Bills and chiefs didn't think like this.. Or the Ravens/texans. Every single one of those prospects had top talent, but could have been a "potential fart in the wind" or whatever.

There is no perfect prospect and if there is one close enough...you need to be lucky enough to have the 1st pick in the draft on that given draft day.

if they value Lance/fields and think they're FQB talent then future picks mean nothing. So much depends on where these players go and the coaches/roster around them.

enough being timid on upgrading the most important position and possibly failing...only thing worse is doing nothing or investing next to nothing because you're afraid of failure. Can't succeed or be great doing that.

Eh, as you know, I disagree on that with Mahomes, and also Allen. I saw both of those do everything I want to see from a QB, and had little doubt they'd eventually be good. Especially Mahomes. I liked Mahomes way more, but Allen dealt with real pressure from the games I watched, and also had that rocket.

Was Jackson a trade up? He was a late first. How much could he have costed? I'd trade to 32 all day for Lance.

Never watched Watson so I can't say.

Anyway, the main reason besides fear of not getting the same return of the investment I have for Lance is that Jones might be there at 12, and I'm okay with that. Not as much potential, but I think he could be good. And Mond might be there in the third, which is so cheap for a guy who has nearly as much physical talent.

Interesting aside: last week Cohn started arguing that Shanahan will probably trade up for Lance because of the system they run, and the physical traits. He hates him though. I don't. I like him at 12. Cohn thinks he's the sixth worst QB lol.

Wish we could draft this kid and have him sit behind Jimmy for a year to learn the playbook, he may be too high of a pick though. I just don't want another late round s**t QB like Beathard. 🤮

Originally posted by Youngone:
Wish we could draft this kid and have him sit behind Jimmy for a year to learn the playbook, he may be too high of a pick though. I just don't want another late round s**t QB like Beathard. 🤮

They never work out. I'll beat this dead horse all day, 2 legit franchise QBs selected after R1 since 2011. Prescott and Wilson.. That's it 2 out of 96. If you want to take some liberties with the term "franchise", you can add Carr and Cousins. 4 of 96.

Simms said he wouldn't Lance in the first round, maybe someone said this before.