Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by Niners418:
Lance feels like the target to me. I just can't wrap my head around giving up all that draft capital for Mac Jones. Not knocking him as a prospect but all that value for the upside of a healthy Jimmy.

Lance makes the most sense to me as he's a lock tk be there at 3, already completed his pro day, huge upside, and perfect candidate to sit for a year.

Disagree. Mac Jones upside is Matt Ryan's MVP season under Shanahan.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I am sorry I just don't get the hype with this guy. Played 1 college football season over a year ago. In a garbage division, against garbage competition. Sure he was running all over guys who looked like they're still playing high school football. He has a Big arm, Big body, and runs well. If he tries to run as he did in college in the NFL, he is an injury waiting to happen. I just don't get how you can use the #3 overall on a guy with this much unknown about him. Way too much risk for me to even think about giving up what we gave up to draft this kid.

I don't know how anyone can feel more at ease drafting this guy over Fields or Jones.

You are going about this all wrong.

Shanahan is finally going mobile. He is sick and tired of having to answer why he is against selecting mobile QBs while the 9ers consistently have a hard time playing against mobile QBs. That was why he came out and said his evaluation on QBs have changed over time.

Russell Wilson runs, how many games has he missed?

Fields also runs, but why Lance over Fields? Decision-making. Fields is inconsistent, has issues with decision-making and holds the ball for too long.

And Jones? Simple, lacks that dynamic running ability that Shanahan is dying to unleash to incorporate into part of the quarterback play.

If you say he is unknown, it wasn't that long ago when Zach Wilson was also unknown. You need to project on the prospect's ability and not be stuck on what he has or hasn't done.

That is my take on why I believe Shanny and Lynch will take Lance. They will let him sit behind Jimmy to develop him nicely.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I am sorry I just don't get the hype with this guy. Played 1 college football season over a year ago. In a garbage division, against garbage competition. Sure he was running all over guys who looked like they're still playing high school football. He has a Big arm, Big body, and runs well. If he tries to run as he did in college in the NFL, he is an injury waiting to happen. I just don't get how you can use the #3 overall on a guy with this much unknown about him. Way too much risk for me to even think about giving up what we gave up to draft this kid.

I don't know how anyone can feel more at ease drafting this guy over Fields or Jones.

You are going about this all wrong.

Shanahan is finally going mobile. He is sick and tired of having to answer why he is against selecting mobile QBs while the 9ers consistently have a hard time playing against mobile QBs. That was why he came out and said his evaluation on QBs have changed over time.

Russell Wilson runs, how many games has he missed?

Fields also runs, but why Lance over Fields? Decision-making. Fields is inconsistent, has issues with decision-making and holds the ball for too long.

And Jones? Simple, lacks that dynamic running ability that Shanahan is dying to unleash to incorporate into part of the quarterback play.

If you say he is unknown, it wasn't that long ago when Zach Wilson was also unknown. You need to project on the prospect's ability and not be stuck on what he has or hasn't done.

That is my take on why I believe Shanny and Lynch will take Lance. They will let him sit behind Jimmy to develop him nicely.

I am not opposed to drafting a mobile QB. I am however opposed to drafting a mobile QB with this level of experience and this many unknowns about him. If all it takes is to have a big arm and can run the football like a running back. We might as well have just signed Kap or Cam Newton instead of giving up 3 first rounders. I feel like this situation is not that far from us saying we should be drafting the Top high school QB prospect because they have all the physical traits and we can teach him how to play QB at a NFL level.

Yes, Lance took care of the football in his one season. It is easier when facing those Coverage's at that level. He also showed on tape that many times he doesn't see wide open WRs. Probably because he hasn't learned how to go through reads and is staring down one receiver. I would agree Fields needs to play more consistent and if you want a running QB then Jones wouldn't be your guy. That does not mean we should be drafting a guy simply because he is a heck of an athlete.

Zach Wilson has three college football seasons under his belt. While not the level of competition of Mac or Fields. It is way higher competition then what Lance was facing. I can go watch a bunch of tape from this past season on Wilson and see specifically that he has a lot of things required for a QB to succeed at the next level, and not just strong physical traits.

At the #3 pick I don't want a project.Or a could be good if....... I don't think Kyle does either. That is why I highly doubt Lance will be the pick at #3. I am not saying Lance wont be good. I am saying their is way to much risk of him being a complete bust and that is not a gamble I would be willing to take.

Team Lance

Really wish we had a chance to see a 2nd season. Those accuracy stats have me a little concerned. Could be a total nothing burger if he came back in year 2 and improved. Just so hard to tell. You're 100% taking him on traits. No denying the talent. Josh Allen is a fair compare to me.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Really wish we had a chance to see a 2nd season. Those accuracy stats have me a little concerned. Could be a total nothing burger if he came back in year 2 and improved. Just so hard to tell. You're 100% taking him on traits. No denying the talent. Josh Allen is a fair compare to me.

I agree on the traits part, but you'd also be backing the kid, who sounds like a stud. Never worry about stats.

It's all too rich for me though, for me you only do this for Wilson or Fields.

Lance is too big a gamble, Jones is too meh from a tools standpoint.

I just watched every game tape video I could find on YouTube for Lance and I'm sorry to all of you Lance fans but no f**king way. Nothing about his game fits what the niners do. He's tape was lots of design runs or him calling his own number and throwing deep.


Watch this game tape. This is the FBS Championship game 2019. I think I saw 3 plays that translate to the 49ers offense. This dude is a great athlete and has a strong arm, he broke off some bad ass runs no doubt. That having been said, tell me why you trade up to the 3rd pick of the draft to get someone that would have to be molded to fit what you do. Sorry but no f**king way.

Originally posted by Andra:
Nothing about his game fits what the niners do.

Right, nothing about his game fits what the Niners do, especially this leak concept from under center with boot action out of 21 personnel. Please disregard the fact that this is quite literally a play straight out of Kyle Shanahan's playbook that the 49ers run all year long. Again, nothing about this translates to what the Niners do.



or this all go seam concept from under center out of 22 personnel that Shanahan dialed up multiple times last season



This is definitely nothing that Shanahan does right here. Nope, never.





I think there's a very strong argument to be made that Trey Lance does more stuff that translates to Kyle Shanahan's offense than anyone in the draft lol.

Originally posted by Andra:
I just watched every game tape video I could find on YouTube for Lance and I'm sorry to all of you Lance fans but no f**king way. Nothing about his game fits what the niners do. He's tape was lots of design runs or him calling his own number and throwing deep.


Watch this game tape. This is the FBS Championship game 2019. I think I saw 3 plays that translate to the 49ers offense. This dude is a great athlete and has a strong arm, he broke off some bad ass runs no doubt. That having been said, tell me why you trade up to the 3rd pick of the draft to get someone that would have to be molded to fit what you do. Sorry but no f**king way.

If you can't look at the footwork from under center, and the way he fizzes balls to the far hash I don't know what you're looking at.

When you watch prospects you have to think about what system they're in and what the situation is, you can't knock a prospect for designed runs, they aren't calling the plays.

Lance is a 19 year old RS Freshman there putting a team on his back.

I've said this many times but you have to look at it like a HS kid being drafted to the NBA, you're scouting traits, and finding out about their character, Lance is off the charts in both areas by all accounts.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, nothing about his game fits what the Niners do, especially this leak concept from under center with boot action out of 21 personnel. Please disregard the fact that this is quite literally a play straight out of Kyle Shanahan's playbook that the 49ers run all year long.

I think there's a very strong argument to be made that Trey Lance does more stuff that translates to Kyle Shanahan's offense than anyone in the draft lol.

Wow Hero, way to sh*t all over my riposte!!!! Great post.

Originally posted by Andra:
I just watched every game tape video I could find on YouTube for Lance and I'm sorry to all of you Lance fans but no f**king way. Nothing about his game fits what the niners do. He's tape was lots of design runs or him calling his own number and throwing deep.


Watch this game tape. This is the FBS Championship game 2019. I think I saw 3 plays that translate to the 49ers offense. This dude is a great athlete and has a strong arm, he broke off some bad ass runs no doubt. That having been said, tell me why you trade up to the 3rd pick of the draft to get someone that would have to be molded to fit what you do. Sorry but no f**king way.

This is why many need to pump the brakes on Lance... they are grading his pro day not his actual play. Shanny wants a mobile QB not a running QB, big difference. He doesnt want to send his QB on runs and get exposed to hits unless its an unexpected clutch play like a first down. Right now Lance is more of a running QB that can pass rather than a passing QB who can run. He could very well turn into that... but spending #3 on pure potential with limited data to base success within Shanahan's offense on is crazy. Save that for pick 15 or later... which could very well happen with Lance (falling to the 2nd half of the 1st round) despite all the hype he is getting right now.

IMO he reminds me of a bigger but less polished Jake Locker.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
This is why many need to pump the brakes on Lance... they are grading his pro day not his actual play. Shanny wants a mobile QB not a running QB, big difference. He doesnt want to send his QB on runs and get exposed to hits unless its an unexpected clutch play like a first down. Right now Lance is more of a running QB that can pass rather than a passing QB who can run. He could very well turn into that... but spending #3 on pure potential with limited data to base success within Shanahan's offense on is crazy. Save that for pick 15 or later... which I think could very well happen with Lance (falling to the 2nd half of the 1st round) despite all the hype he is getting right now.

IMO he reminds me of a bigger but less polished Jake Locker.

Who is judging by a Pro Day? One that wasn't even that good?!

I have watched at least cut ups of every game he's ever played and watched last year's championship game and this year's glorified pre season game against Central Arkansas in full (as well as twice more on cut up)

When you see the depth posters like Heroism go into, it's a travesty you claim it's about a Pro Day.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, nothing about his game fits what the Niners do, especially this leak concept from under center with boot action out of 21 personnel. Please disregard the fact that this is quite literally a play straight out of Kyle Shanahan's playbook that the 49ers run all year long. Again, nothing about this translates to what the Niners do.

or this all go seam concept from under center out of 22 personnel that Shanahan dialed up multiple times last season

This is definitely nothing that Shanahan does right here. Nope, never.



I think there's a very strong argument to be made that Trey Lance does more stuff that translates to Kyle Shanahan's offense than anyone in the draft lol.

The problem is he throws far less than anyone in the draft and he's done so far less than anyone in the draft overall while played on a team that is adjusted for competition, more stacked than anyone else. Compare Bama or Clemson's recent history to NDSU. They are an absolute juggernaut that simply goes out and wins championships every single year, regardless of who is at quarterback for them. There's a huge advantage in playing on a team that should be in Division 1 but continues to just go out and beat the crap out of FCS cupcakes year in and year out.

When you play on an offense that runs it over 40 times a game, in the the vast majority of games you attempt fewer than 20 passes, when as a QB you run the football 60% as much as you throw it, there's a whole whole lot that is unknown about how you'll function when a defense takes that run away and forces you to throw.

In his entire college career, Lance had a total of 2 games where he threw it more than 23 times. 4 games where he threw for more than 200 yards

I don't deny the talent, I do question the resume and that there's tremendous gaps there. If you draft this guy early, even moreso if you traded multiple first rounders to draft him early, you're going to be dealing with far more question marks then you will with the other quarterbacks.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Wow Hero, way to sh*t all over my riposte!!!! Great post.

Just trying to keep it objective and honest.

I think Trey is Kyle's guy. I could be wrong, but this is how I see it: If Kyle loved Josh Allen that much in 2017 after he had ONE SEASON as a starter under his belt at Wyoming, I don't see how he won't love Trey Lance because their parallels are eerily similar. Lance is Allen-lite in regards to the tools, the offense he played in and has about as much experience(and almost identical pass attempts) right now that Josh Allen would've had if he came out in 2017. I expect Kyle will also like Mac but not at 3. Fields to me doesn't strike me as the natural, twitchy thrower that Kyle seems to preach about. Don't get me wrong--I think Fields is a great player. I'm just not confident he's Kyle's guy. I think Lance is a more natural thrower and definitely has that twitch that Kyle wants. Then you throw in the NDSU offense, how surgically that Trey Lance ran it, the mobility, and it makes sense that he could be Kyle's guy.

What I think is going on right now is an extensive vetting process. The 49ers are likely digging deep into Trey's life. Kyle always talks about the importance of filling the locker room with good people. They're likely making sure that Trey Lance is a genuinely good dude that loves football.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

I don't deny the talent, I do question the resume and that there's tremendous gaps there. If you draft this guy early, even moreso if you traded multiple first rounders to draft him early, you're going to be dealing with far more question marks then you will with the other quarterbacks.

Oh, for sure. That's what gives me pause about Trey Lance. I don't feel confident that I know what I'm getting.

btw, I mentioned it in my previous post, but it is interesting that Josh Allen had about the same number of starts and pass attempts at this point in 2017 had he came out. Kyle said he would've drafted him. Things that make you go hmmm.