Trey Lance QB NDSU

Trey Lance with the 3rd overall pick? Nah. I'd rather draft his OC with the 3rd overall pick the way his recievers are WIDE OPEN all the time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
I didn't say "massive" project. I said too much of a project. What you said isn't wrong and I did mention he may become great in the right situation..as is the case for most players. He did play against a much lower level of competition and only had roughly 300 pass attempts his entire collegiate career.

I don't dislike Lance, just don't want him. Prefer Fields or Wilson over him and sticking to that. If we take Lance I'll trust Kyle. Honestly I think any one of these qb's would end up at least a good player with Kyle's tutelage.

I get all that...it's just weird how we're throwing out Jones (for example) as some day 1 pro and possibly the most pro-ready of the bunch with the same amount of starts and what like 250 more passing attempts?

I think people are underselling what he did as a 19 yr old and the offense the ran. You should listen to the beginning of his pro day and what DJ says about Lance and that NDST offense overall.

we will see...it's all good discussion

Thanks man, I'll listen today when I have some time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
I didn't say "massive" project. I said too much of a project. What you said isn't wrong and I did mention he may become great in the right situation..as is the case for most players. He did play against a much lower level of competition and only had roughly 300 pass attempts his entire collegiate career.

I don't dislike Lance, just don't want him. Prefer Fields or Wilson over him and sticking to that. If we take Lance I'll trust Kyle. Honestly I think any one of these qb's would end up at least a good player with Kyle's tutelage.

I get all that...it's just weird how we're throwing out Jones (for example) as some day 1 pro and possibly the most pro-ready of the bunch with the same amount of starts and what like 250 more passing attempts?

I think people are underselling what he did as a 19 yr old and the offense the ran. You should listen to the beginning of his pro day and what DJ says about Lance and that NDST offense overall.

we will see...it's all good discussion

The fact that he played in a system that was the most like Kyle's may be a factor. Looking at that plus his age, size and skill set would make me more than okay if they take him. I also like Fields. I'm guessing it will come down to a choice between them since I think Lawrence and Wilson go 1-2. Either Lance or Fields will give defenses another weapon to defend that the Niners don't have now and won't have if they take Jones. Whenever the QB is a threat to run. it slows that pass rush a little. It can also break the back of a defense that keeps getting burned on 3rd and long plays.

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
lance's mechanics/throwing looks better than Fieldss

This. Seems to possess the skill sets Kyle likes. His feet and release are surprisingly polished for a guy so young.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Here's what I think his absolute minimum is (after a year or two learning):

Somewhere between a more athletic Beathard and Garoppolo with legs. Why? Because Shanahan can scheme him "Jimmy passes" just like he does Jimmy. The bad thing about this is the opportunity cost.

Here's what I think his absolute maximum is:

NOT Patrick Mahomes. He is not that kind of improviser, nor does he have the same cannon. People say Mahomes a lot, but IMHO it's the wrong max comparison. The maximum possible mold for him is Steve Young. An incredibly efficient QB who can pick up first downs (and touchdowns) with his legs.

He won't ever look like Steve, the way he moves, but he could some day be the guy who rarely throws picks, who plays within the scheme, and who can kill with his legs a few plays a game.

His medium possibly ceiling, I think, is a guy who can make splash plays, but hesitates way too often due to uncertainty and indecisiveness, who doesn't get a bank busting second contract. If he stays, it will be on a prove it deal.

I can see that kind of ceiling. He strikes me as more of a rhythm passer than Fields. This guy can be Kyle's Steve Young.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, nothing about his game fits what the Niners do, especially this leak concept from under center with boot action out of 21 personnel. Please disregard the fact that this is quite literally a play straight out of Kyle Shanahan's playbook that the 49ers run all year long. Again, nothing about this translates to what the Niners do.



or this all go seam concept from under center out of 22 personnel that Shanahan dialed up multiple times last season



This is definitely nothing that Shanahan does right here. Nope, never.





I think there's a very strong argument to be made that Trey Lance does more stuff that translates to Kyle Shanahan's offense than anyone in the draft lol.

Damn that release is so fast and efficient.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What about him is a massive project? Go look at the plays he runs...it's not a bunch of air raid spread s**t. It's behind center with NFL pro concepts. NDST runs a pro-style offense.

his PA and boots are what you want to see. It's actually crazy that he was 19 running all this....imo if he has a full yr this yr he would be in play for 2 overall.

While Lance did run a pro-style offense And even some stuff very similar to what Kyle does. My issue is most of the time when they had Lance throw they had him play action and the play was designed to go to one specific target and when that target wasn't open he usually ran. SO he has an extremely limited amount of snaps where he is actually going through progressions reading the defense. When he does go through progressions, he is reading defenses where the players are so far lower in talent compared to what he would see at the next level it is laughable.

I am not saying he cannot learn to read NFL-level coverages. It just really concerns me with his level of experience that he won't be. I would have liked him to have had a lot more experience with this kind of stuff in college. It is not his fault. It was what he was asked to do. But many QBs have failed because they cannot read the defense and process information fast enough when reaching the NFL level. He is too risky for the #3 overall pick IMO. Especially when you consider what we gave up get the #3 pick.

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What about him is a massive project? Go look at the plays he runs...it's not a bunch of air raid spread s**t. It's behind center with NFL pro concepts. NDST runs a pro-style offense.

his PA and boots are what you want to see. It's actually crazy that he was 19 running all this....imo if he has a full yr this yr he would be in play for 2 overall.

While Lance did run a pro-style offense And even some stuff very similar to what Kyle does. My issue is most of the time when they had Lance throw they had him play action and the play was designed to go to one specific target and when that target wasn't open he usually ran. SO he has an extremely limited amount of snaps where he is actually going through progressions reading the defense. When he does go through progressions, he is reading defenses where the players are so far lower in talent compared to what he would see at the next level it is laughable.

I am not saying he cannot learn to read NFL-level coverages. It just really concerns me with his level of experience that he won't be. I would have liked him to have had a lot more experience with this kind of stuff in college. It is not his fault. It was what he was asked to do. But many QBs have failed because they cannot read the defense and process information fast enough when reaching the NFL level. He is too risky for the #3 overall pick IMO. Especially when you consider what we gave up get the #3 pick.

Learning to read defenses is always a concern with young QBs. Lance didn't have near as many weapons as he will in SF. He certainly didn't have guys like Kittle, Aiyuk and Deebo.

So biggest risk, but also highest ceiling

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What about him is a massive project? Go look at the plays he runs...it's not a bunch of air raid spread s**t. It's behind center with NFL pro concepts. NDST runs a pro-style offense.

his PA and boots are what you want to see. It's actually crazy that he was 19 running all this....imo if he has a full yr this yr he would be in play for 2 overall.

While Lance did run a pro-style offense And even some stuff very similar to what Kyle does. My issue is most of the time when they had Lance throw they had him play action and the play was designed to go to one specific target and when that target wasn't open he usually ran. SO he has an extremely limited amount of snaps where he is actually going through progressions reading the defense. When he does go through progressions, he is reading defenses where the players are so far lower in talent compared to what he would see at the next level it is laughable.

I am not saying he cannot learn to read NFL-level coverages. It just really concerns me with his level of experience that he won't be. I would have liked him to have had a lot more experience with this kind of stuff in college. It is not his fault. It was what he was asked to do. But many QBs have failed because they cannot read the defense and process information fast enough when reaching the NFL level. He is too risky for the #3 overall pick IMO. Especially when you consider what we gave up get the #3 pick.

Learning to read defenses is always a concern with young QBs. Lance didn't have near as many weapons as he will in SF. He certainly didn't have guys like Kittle, Aiyuk and Deebo.

I would argue that the talent level of Lance's weapons compared to their opponents were greater than the weapons he will have here. Not to mention, he was faster than everyone on the field. Of course his INTs were down, if the receivers weren't wide open, he could just run for 20+ yards. He had games where he threw 12 passes. Not to mention, try to find film on how he stays and throws from an unclean pocket under duress.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What about him is a massive project? Go look at the plays he runs...it's not a bunch of air raid spread s**t. It's behind center with NFL pro concepts. NDST runs a pro-style offense.

his PA and boots are what you want to see. It's actually crazy that he was 19 running all this....imo if he has a full yr this yr he would be in play for 2 overall.

While Lance did run a pro-style offense And even some stuff very similar to what Kyle does. My issue is most of the time when they had Lance throw they had him play action and the play was designed to go to one specific target and when that target wasn't open he usually ran. SO he has an extremely limited amount of snaps where he is actually going through progressions reading the defense. When he does go through progressions, he is reading defenses where the players are so far lower in talent compared to what he would see at the next level it is laughable.

I am not saying he cannot learn to read NFL-level coverages. It just really concerns me with his level of experience that he won't be. I would have liked him to have had a lot more experience with this kind of stuff in college. It is not his fault. It was what he was asked to do. But many QBs have failed because they cannot read the defense and process information fast enough when reaching the NFL level. He is too risky for the #3 overall pick IMO. Especially when you consider what we gave up get the #3 pick.

Learning to read defenses is always a concern with young QBs. Lance didn't have near as many weapons as he will in SF. He certainly didn't have guys like Kittle, Aiyuk and Deebo.

It is absolutely a concern for all rookie QBs at the next level. But I would Trust players Like Fields and Jones a lot more to be able to do it, considering they were asked to do a lot more of it in the Big 10 and SEC. While lance was asked to do less of it for one season, in a sub division of college football with garbage talent level. Again, Not saying this is his fault or He cannot succeed at doing these things once he reaches the pros. But with his experience level we really have no clue how far behind he is with this kind of stuff vs. the other QBs we would be drafting.

Originally posted by FacePalm:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, nothing about his game fits what the Niners do, especially this leak concept from under center with boot action out of 21 personnel. Please disregard the fact that this is quite literally a play straight out of Kyle Shanahan's playbook that the 49ers run all year long. Again, nothing about this translates to what the Niners do.



or this all go seam concept from under center out of 22 personnel that Shanahan dialed up multiple times last season



This is definitely nothing that Shanahan does right here. Nope, never.





I think there's a very strong argument to be made that Trey Lance does more stuff that translates to Kyle Shanahan's offense than anyone in the draft lol.

Damn that release is so fast and efficient.

I could hit those 1st two passes. The 3rd ones a beauty though.

Originally posted by BMoore56:

Originally posted by FacePalm:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, nothing about his game fits what the Niners do, especially this leak concept from under center with boot action out of 21 personnel. Please disregard the fact that this is quite literally a play straight out of Kyle Shanahan's playbook that the 49ers run all year long. Again, nothing about this translates to what the Niners do.



or this all go seam concept from under center out of 22 personnel that Shanahan dialed up multiple times last season



This is definitely nothing that Shanahan does right here. Nope, never.





I think there's a very strong argument to be made that Trey Lance does more stuff that translates to Kyle Shanahan's offense than anyone in the draft lol.

Damn that release is so fast and efficient.

I could hit those 1st two passes. The 3rd ones a beauty though.

Kyle hasn't had a QB yet who could make that 3rd throw. All of our QBs hit the receiver running out into the flat....almost every time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I think at most he sits for a year.

No way you sit him for two for what you gave up for him.

Yeah, he doesn't need to sit a yr. that's silly. He's already running shanny concepts and doing NFL caliber stuff at the LOS pre-snap.

I like that he's worked on his throwing motion with having the yr off. His footwork and release look a lot better. This will help with accuracy. I still have Fields over him, but I get why they would love him.

I think it's moreso about taking the pressure off of him from day 1,...ala Mahomes. If we take him I think he will be mixed in as the year goes on.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Every single QB has big bust potential

Of course, but we still do our due diligence each draft and compare what we can. For this draft he's the most questionable.

"The most", keep in mind, is being weighed by fans that are outsiders regarding the process.

We haven't sat down with these kids with a white board.