Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sounds more like you looked at stats and made a decision...there is absolutely nothing unnatural about his throws, I have no idea what you're talking about...every single QB makes adjustments to their throwing motion.



I'm sorry totally disagree with this breakdown overall.

The other thing to mention about his breakdown is Lance throwing an average of 18 passes a game. Sounds perfect for the Shanahan system to me. And no way Lance will have all those designed runs in the pros, unless Roman was his OC. His runs will be move the chain scrambles that will demoralize opposing defenses.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scratch:
There are several reasons why I have a late 2nd to early 3rd round grade on Lance. He's my 6th rated QB in this class. It boils down to what we've seen from him so far and what we can project him to be in the future. That's where the problem lies. There isn't enough out there to confidently project what you're actually getting. You've got a 20 year old prospect (soon to be 21) from an FCS school that has 318 career passing attempts and 17 career starts. In his only year as a starter, he threw under 20 times in 9/16 games and only threw it 30+ times once. You're looking at an average of 18 passing attempts per game. There were only 2-3 close games all year and there were virtually zero stress/crunch time throws he was asked to make. You look at the FCS National Championship game vs James Madison. He had 10 total passing attempts. I mean seriously. In his only game this year he was 15-30 for 149 yards and 2TD/1INT. This was against Central Arkansas who ended up being a 5-4 team from the Southland Conference. Then you look at his mechanics/motion and there are questions there as well. He is a pure arm thrower and fails to activate his lower half. He is upright in his motion and straight over the top. I said this in Niner Talk, but go watch his pro day and see how unnatural he looks throwing the ball. It is almost like he is guiding the ball. You even have Daniel Jeremiah saying that his pro day coach is working on getting his front foot down earlier because he has a tendency to throw with his upper body only.

This will be an interesting thread to revisit a few years from now. You've got so many people falling for the athletic ability and the perceived project-ability. In the end, I think we will all look back and think "What was everyone thinking?" I don't ever think he will have enough time to develop in the NFL.

Sounds more like you looked at stats and made a decision...there is absolutely nothing unnatural about his throws, I have no idea what you're talking about...every single QB makes adjustments to their throwing motion.



I'm sorry totally disagree with this breakdown overall.

The line that his throws move on and the sound it makes hitting his recievers hands is impressive. Kids has the biggest arm in the draft.

after sitting down and mulling over the prospects post-trade, I'm now leaning towards Lance being their guy. Just based on what we've heard from the Garoppolo situation. I expect Jimmy to start this year and not be moved.

And I am excited as hell if thats the case. It's a big risk for sure, but rolling the dice here and potentially getting a top 5 QB would be worth it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
You don't mortgage the house on a project who had one college season at NDSU using the #3 pick who may not get into a game for two years. You have already messed up drafting Thomas and McGlinchy in the first round.

This is absolute stupidity.

So what? Jones has 17 career starts. Why is Lance a project anyway...dude runs a more pro style offense than any QB out of the top 5. He's making protection calls and audibles at the LOS.

We're talking about Lance not Jones. It's still a major risk. There is always risk in who you choose, but this us a much higher risk.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
I would argue that the talent level of Lance's weapons compared to their opponents were greater than the weapons he will have here. Not to mention, he was faster than everyone on the field. Of course his INTs were down, if the receivers weren't wide open, he could just run for 20+ yards. He had games where he threw 12 passes. Not to mention, try to find film on how he stays and throws from an unclean pocket under duress.

This dude was putting up Colin Kaepernick NFL passing numbers in college. When your entire college career subsist of a grand total of 2 games where you attempted more than 24 passes in a game and a total of 4 games where you threw for over 200 yards, that's definitely a bit disconcerting.

What happens when you absolutely need him to throw 30 or 40 times to win a game?

In the FCS National Championship, he had fewer than a hundred yards passing. He attempted 10 total passes in a championship game that wasnt close to being a blowout. It was him running over a bunch of future insurance salesmen that won the game.

People complained about Garoppolo in the playoffs but the NDSU coaches protected Lance in the exact same way. You could say it was because he was young but here we are a year later talking about using a Top 3 pick on the same guy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Lance had a good workout.

If teams want him they'll need to trade to 3 though.

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) March 12, 2021

Ben said this right after Lance's Pro day

Interesting. Seems like word got out that Atlanta wanted him at 4?

Literally at the beginning the pro day DJ said he was running specific pass plays that ATL/SF use for a reason (his agent has knowledge of who is interested).

after that workout everyone was tying ATL to him and having Ryan to be the guy for a yr (this was before the restructure). It really does make sense.

If this is true, I wonder how committed the Jets are to staying at #2. If SF and ATL both covet Lance, would ATL try to leapfrog them to get to #2? Endless possibilities lol.

I'm guessing the Niners also are super high on Zach Wilson which is why they traded to #3. So even if someone does leapfrog them for Lance, they take Wilson and run. Win-Win position to be in for the Niners.

Lance all the way baby! He seems to have all the intangibles..and being just so electric and explosive doesn't hurt either. we will regret it if Wilson is gone and we don't take Lance!

Originally posted by hello49:
Lance all the way baby! He seems to have all the intangibles..and being just so electric and explosive doesn't hurt either. we will regret it if Wilson is gone and we don't take Lance!

He is missing some "intangibles," such as good field vision and POST-snap processing (pre-snap he is definitely pro ready on that). He will sometimes pass over wide open guys and throw to coverage. For example, the first play here in JTO's analysis:



If a team drafts Lance, it's on the hope and expectation that he will DEVELOP this kind of thing — because as of right now he doesn't have it.

But if he does develop to his potential, he will be elite.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by hello49:
Lance all the way baby! He seems to have all the intangibles..and being just so electric and explosive doesn't hurt either. we will regret it if Wilson is gone and we don't take Lance!

He is missing some "intangibles," such as good field vision and POST-snap processing (pre-snap he is definitely pro ready on that). He will sometimes pass over wide open guys and throw to coverage. For example, the first play here in JTO's analysis:



If a team drafts Lance, it's on the hope and expectation that he will DEVELOP this kind of thing — because as of right now he doesn't have it.

But if he does develop to his potential, he will be elite.

I think Kyle is the perfect guy to help him in that respect!

Very interesting that Greg Cosell prefers Trey Lance to Justin Fields.

16 mins in to the below video.

For me right now it's 1) Lawrence, 2) Wilson, 3) Lance. Sit him a year and let him learn and we have a superstar on our hands. Coming from a pro offense, one of the strongest arms in the draft (if not the best), plus his run game ability. Shanny's offense will be INSANE once he gets it down.

That Cosell clip has me excited, he's watched tons and tons of film in his life, what better situation is there for Lance to be a star than ours? If the Jets make a different pick or whatever Wilson will be there then. Great spot to be in. The report that we were trying to trade into the top 5 to me seems like we were weighing our options on how much capital it'll take. When we seen the costs for each we figured why not just go to three to have our preferred options.

I will say though, if Shanny picks Fields or Jones I will not hate it, I trust him and our scouting completely. To me though Lance will be able to do those things they do PLUS some. Just need to feel comfortable with his development. No one is ever a finished product in the draft everyone can be better (including Lawrence). Get the guy that has the elite traits and tools.

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Lance had a good workout.

If teams want him they'll need to trade to 3 though.

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) March 12, 2021

Ben said this right after Lance's Pro day

Interesting. Seems like word got out that Atlanta wanted him at 4?

Literally at the beginning the pro day DJ said he was running specific pass plays that ATL/SF use for a reason (his agent has knowledge of who is interested).

after that workout everyone was tying ATL to him and having Ryan to be the guy for a yr (this was before the restructure). It really does make sense.

If this is true, I wonder how committed the Jets are to staying at #2. If SF and ATL both covet Lance, would ATL try to leapfrog them to get to #2? Endless possibilities lol.

I'm guessing the Niners also are super high on Zach Wilson which is why they traded to #3. So even if someone does leapfrog them for Lance, they take Wilson and run. Win-Win position to be in for the Niners.

Jets want Wilson they arent moving from 2

He can't throw accurately to his right consistently. No thanks.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
We're talking about Lance not Jones. It's still a major risk. There is always risk in who you choose, but this us a much higher risk.

It's no higher of a risk than any of the other picks not named Lawrence

Originally posted by hello49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by hello49:
Lance all the way baby! He seems to have all the intangibles..and being just so electric and explosive doesn't hurt either. we will regret it if Wilson is gone and we don't take Lance!

He is missing some "intangibles," such as good field vision and POST-snap processing (pre-snap he is definitely pro ready on that). He will sometimes pass over wide open guys and throw to coverage. For example, the first play here in JTO's analysis:



If a team drafts Lance, it's on the hope and expectation that he will DEVELOP this kind of thing — because as of right now he doesn't have it.

But if he does develop to his potential, he will be elite.

I think Kyle is the perfect guy to help him in that respect!

My only concern is that these traits rarely improve. Usually those are like speed and size: you either got it or you don't.

However he is so young and thrown so few passes that maybe the general mold that he will be isn't even fleshed out yet.