Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's just not true, his accuracy is inconsistent but his throwing motion was very funky, he dipped his rear leg and it caused his head to lower and raise sometimes which can definitely effect accuracy.

He's cleaned this up. We do need to see how this will play out on the field.

If you're looking for a finished product when watching the film of a 19 year old RS Freshman, then you'll be disappointed.

I just wish he went back to school for one more year. To me just makes no sense why he is coming out in a loaded QB class, while he could stay another year while still only being 21 and be the potential 1st overall pick next year if he is actually as good as people are saying he is.

Personally I think he is just riding the Josh Allen hype while not having the tools Josh Allen had and all the accuracy issues (admittedly not as big of an issue).

The problem was that their season was moved to the spring (they're still playing now) to have played in it would've meant not doing draft prep.

To have played means he then has to do another abbreviated season in the fall. It's very unlikely this would have changed the perception of his draft stock. People would still just say he's beating up on lower competition.

I keep going back and forth between Lance and Fields, being ok with Mac, and not liking anybody lol. The only major thing that scares me with Lance is the JMU. It was the only game where he was really under pressure and boy did he crumble. Mechanics went out the window, got laser-focused on his first read.

If you can point to one thing that separates good from great players, it's that they elevate their game when the competition is highest. I'm fairly certain Fields has this trait, Mac hasn't been tested at all and Lance may have a red flag there.

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Those Shanahan comments about drafting Josh Allen in 2017 are telling. Allen had 2 fewer starts and 90 more pass attempts in 2017 than Trey Lance does right now. I don't think a measly 90 pass attempts will deter Kyle from Lance if he was ready to take Allen.

Josh Allen also had arguably the best tools ever and for all his accuracy issues could actually hit the deep ball, while Trey Lance has slightly above average size and an above average arm with the worst deep ball accuracy of any QB in this draft class.

Trey Lance is an inch and a quarter shorter, faster, more elusive and his arm is much more than "above average".

The deep ball accuracy is a fallacy IMO, he throws a beautiful deep ball, last I checked ball tracking was important for a WR and are we surprised that NDSU's guys aren't as good as the WR's from these other schools?

Originally posted by jackburton1:
I keep going back and forth between Lance and Fields, being ok with Mac, and not liking anybody lol. The only major thing that scares me with Lance is the JMU. It was the only game where he was really under pressure and boy did he crumble. Mechanics went out the window, got laser-focused on his first read.

If you can point to one thing that separates good from great players, it's that they elevate their game when the competition is highest. I'm fairly certain Fields has this trait, Mac hasn't been tested at all and Lance may have a red flag there.

Did he elevate his game vs Alabama?....how about Northwestern?

You know the one thing fields is missing that both Lance and Mac have?

It's a National Championship.

Trey Lance is so exciting and terrifying as a prospect at the same time.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Those Shanahan comments about drafting Josh Allen in 2017 are telling. Allen had 2 fewer starts and 90 more pass attempts in 2017 than Trey Lance does right now. I don't think a measly 90 pass attempts will deter Kyle from Lance if he was ready to take Allen.

Josh Allen also had arguably the best tools ever and for all his accuracy issues could actually hit the deep ball, while Trey Lance has slightly above average size and an above average arm with the worst deep ball accuracy of any QB in this draft class.

Trey Lance is an inch and a quarter shorter, faster, more elusive and his arm is much more than "above average".

The deep ball accuracy is a fallacy IMO, he throws a beautiful deep ball, last I checked ball tracking was important for a WR and are we surprised that NDSU's guys aren't as good as the WR's from these other schools?

He was missing wide open receivers that were consistently able to beat their corners. He was only 19 and has reworked his throwing motion since so maybe he will get there, but I just don't see him having a great arm. Most of his deep throws he almost needed a running start to throw.

Even though it's not a completely useful stat with a lot of flaws in it's measurement I would have really liked for him to get his ball velocity measured.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Trey Lance is so exciting and terrifying as a prospect at the same time.

This is the truth. So risky, but if you're right !
All my chips are in the center of the table.

Originally posted by jcs:
Did he elevate his game vs Alabama?....how about Northwestern?

You know the one thing fields is missing that both Lance and Mac have?

It's a National Championship.

He elevated his game against Clemson, that's for damn sure.

And Lance won a national championship while throwing a total of ten passes. Good luck trying to replicate that in the NFL and win a SB.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:
Did he elevate his game vs Alabama?....how about Northwestern?

You know the one thing fields is missing that both Lance and Mac have?

It's a National Championship.

He elevated his game against Clemson, that's for damn sure.

And Lance won a national championship while throwing a total of ten passes. Good luck trying to replicate that in the NFL and win a SB.

So close

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Those Shanahan comments about drafting Josh Allen in 2017 are telling. Allen had 2 fewer starts and 90 more pass attempts in 2017 than Trey Lance does right now. I don't think a measly 90 pass attempts will deter Kyle from Lance if he was ready to take Allen.

Josh Allen also had arguably the best tools ever and for all his accuracy issues could actually hit the deep ball, while Trey Lance has slightly above average size and an above average arm with the worst deep ball accuracy of any QB in this draft class.

Trey Lance is an inch and a quarter shorter, faster, more elusive and his arm is much more than "above average".

The deep ball accuracy is a fallacy IMO, he throws a beautiful deep ball, last I checked ball tracking was important for a WR and are we surprised that NDSU's guys aren't as good as the WR's from these other schools?

He was missing wide open receivers that were consistently able to beat their corners. He was only 19 and has reworked his throwing motion since so maybe he will get there, but I just don't see him having a great arm. Most of his deep throws he almost needed a running start to throw.

Even though it's not a completely useful stat with a lot of flaws in it's measurement I would have really liked for him to get his ball velocity measured.

A running start? Dude probably has the best moon ball since Russell Wilson. Lance certainly has a great arm. He might not have Josh Allen's arm but no one does.

Originally posted by jcs:
Did he elevate his game vs Alabama?....how about Northwestern?

You know the one thing fields is missing that both Lance and Mac have?

It's a National Championship.

He sure as sh-t elevated his game against Clemson. His performance in that game is better than any of these guys outside of probably Trevor, who haven't really paid attention to. Sorry, Mac looks good for the same reasons we thought Jimmy was good. He operates a timing based offense based on keys. His understanding of it is great, his post-snap process is very good, but his WR's do get open a lot. I've seen all his throws this season, he has not made a difficult throw outside of one to Metchie vs. Auburn and one to Smith vs. Kentucky (which was a terrible decision but a pinpoint throw, and a lazy db). His deep throws are 50/50, but he does get bailed out by his WR's, and by the penalties they draw. I won't say he'll suck in the NFL, because there's no evidence to support that. But there is a ton of evidence that his OC and WR's contribute A LOT to his success. If you can show me a time when he really had to elevate himself and the team, I'm all ears.

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I'm on board with picking Trey Lance and, unless he outright wins the starting job in camp, having him start the season as the backup.

We need a win as a fan base and acquiring a true franchise QB this year would undoubtedly be that.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Personally I think he is just riding the Josh Allen hype while not having the tools Josh Allen had and all the accuracy issues (admittedly not as big of an issue).

he's more nuanced as a 19 yr old than Josh Allen was coming out of school and more accurate.

Those Shanahan comments about drafting Josh Allen in 2017 are telling. Allen had 2 fewer starts and 90 more pass attempts in 2017 than Trey Lance does right now. I don't think a measly 90 pass attempts will deter Kyle from Lance if he was ready to take Allen.

90 more attempts? Allen had over 600. Lance has barely over 300.

That's pretty substantial imo.

I wouldn't hate Lance though. Just prefer Fields.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by jackburton1:
I keep going back and forth between Lance and Fields, being ok with Mac, and not liking anybody lol. The only major thing that scares me with Lance is the JMU. It was the only game where he was really under pressure and boy did he crumble. Mechanics went out the window, got laser-focused on his first read.

If you can point to one thing that separates good from great players, it's that they elevate their game when the competition is highest. I'm fairly certain Fields has this trait, Mac hasn't been tested at all and Lance may have a red flag there.

Did he elevate his game vs Alabama?....how about Northwestern?

You know the one thing fields is missing that both Lance and Mac have?

It's a National Championship.

Did Fields kick your dog or something? Talk about ax to grind.

Did Lance elevate his play in the only game this year? Vs the best competition he's faced at NDSU?