Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by jackburton1:
I keep going back and forth between Lance and Fields, being ok with Mac, and not liking anybody lol. The only major thing that scares me with Lance is the JMU. It was the only game where he was really under pressure and boy did he crumble. Mechanics went out the window, got laser-focused on his first read.

If you can point to one thing that separates good from great players, it's that they elevate their game when the competition is highest. I'm fairly certain Fields has this trait, Mac hasn't been tested at all and Lance may have a red flag there.

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Did he elevate his game vs Alabama?....how about Northwestern?

You know the one thing fields is missing that both Lance and Mac have?

It's a National Championship.

Stop pushing this narrative. Show me an all time great QB that has a college National Championship as a starter and SB.

Joe Montana.

Montana was a 3rd round pick. Good luck finding another one.

Your comments in these threads have reeked of ignorance. If you're using a national championship to make your QB evaluations that says a lot.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't know. While the front office has been really good about not leaking stuff, the draft involves more people than most operations. You've got a ton of scouts and other people that are part of that process that may not be privy to the whole picture, but they might leak tidbits that they've overheard.

So no one leaked a trade that was offered over 3 weeks ago? They said they were scouting this QB class hard way back in January, everyone kept their mouth shut but NOW are leaking this crap? Nah not buying it, not one bit.

No one should believe s**t a month before the draft. We should all be smarter than that by now

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah Lombardi is full of s**t, every time he says something it usually turns out wrong...only time he has any legit info it's NE related.

Like I keep saying, no one had a freaking clue they were making a trade...no one had a clue they were this invested in QBs. You had NFL insiders saying they were gonna trade for Minshew lol. NOW they all of a sudden know who the QB will be a week later? Nah

All of this. Argue for whatever QB you like but don't pretend like anyone but Shanahan or Lynch have any clue as to what they are thinking right now. Lombardi is guessing like anyone else because this isn't the Baalke era anymore where the entire franchise retained confidentiality like a colander retains water. These guys don't let anything out.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Someone really said Trey Lance's arm is average, and that he needs a running start to throw deep...

Just said that a it wasn't Josh Allen caliber and he did take a running start to throw deep a lot of the time.

I don't like "big armed" QBs with terrible deep ball accuracy.

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by thl408:
All those tackles he breaks, I don't think that's happening with non-FCS defenders. Sure he's strong, but when it comes to broken tackles, I think there is a very direct correlation with the lesser talented FCS.

Yep, watching his games and see him just taking those without much thought. He'll get killed trying that in the NFL.

Good points. I'm actually watching the Max Browne breakdown of him as I type this and he's talking about one of his strengths being "looking strong in the pocket"

Now he's a big talented kid. But will he look as strong vs NFL defenders? It's a little different when you have guys from Western Illinois vs having Aaron Donald coming at you in the pocket.

That's my concern with Trey. Talent is there but I hate that so much of what made him great at NDSU was about him being better than the rest of the guys out there.

That's why I tend to favor Fields more. He's been consistently the best or one of the best wherever he's been throughout his career. What normally worries me with guys like that is cockiness to the point where they don't think they have to work at it. That's not the vibe I get with Fields at all.

I posted this a little while back regarding Trey, but I saw someone else post it on Twitter today as well...

He would setup Friday meeting for the offensive game plan instead of coaches because he knew the offense so well. This kid was calling all the protections and audibles at 19 yrs old. His football IQ and work ethic are high. I can see SF being in love with this kid.

Just like Kyle said he would love a Smith/Mahomes situation and nothing is more similar than Jimmy/Lance.

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Someone really said Trey Lance's arm is average, and that he needs a running start to throw deep...

Just said that a it wasn't Josh Allen caliber and he did take a running start to throw deep a lot of the time.

I don't like "big armed" QBs with terrible deep ball accuracy.

Dude nobody is Josh Allen caliber except for maybe Mahomes. On a scale of 1-10, those guys rank 11 or 12 when it comes to arm strength. Lance being a 8 is not a bad thing at all. With some refinement, he could improve his arm strength even further.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't know. While the front office has been really good about not leaking stuff, the draft involves more people than most operations. You've got a ton of scouts and other people that are part of that process that may not be privy to the whole picture, but they might leak tidbits that they've overheard.

So no one leaked a trade that was offered over 3 weeks ago? They said they were scouting this QB class hard way back in January, everyone kept their mouth shut but NOW are leaking this crap? Nah not buying it, not one bit.

No one should believe s**t a month before the draft. We should all be smarter than that by now

The guys on the periphery may not have known there were trade discussions as those were high level, but it doesn't mean they aren't involved in some of the meetings discussing where each prospect ranks relative to one another. If someone briefly saw the draft board and it had Mac ranked higher as a QB prospect than Fields, that could source all sorts of rumors even if it's not the whole picture .

I remember a few years ago when it leaked that Lynch and Shanahan were not getting along and while that was BS and turned out to be nothing, it was a regional scout that was hired by the previous regime that supposedly leaked it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by jackburton1:
I keep going back and forth between Lance and Fields, being ok with Mac, and not liking anybody lol. The only major thing that scares me with Lance is the JMU. It was the only game where he was really under pressure and boy did he crumble. Mechanics went out the window, got laser-focused on his first read.

If you can point to one thing that separates good from great players, it's that they elevate their game when the competition is highest. I'm fairly certain Fields has this trait, Mac hasn't been tested at all and Lance may have a red flag there.

Did he elevate his game vs Alabama?....how about Northwestern?

You know the one thing fields is missing that both Lance and Mac have?

It's a National Championship.

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Stop pushing this narrative. Show me an all time great QB that has a college National Championship as a starter and SB.

Joe Montana.

Montana was a 3rd round pick. Good luck finding another one.

Your comments in these threads have reeked of ignorance. If you're using a national championship to make your QB evaluations that says a lot.

National Championship shows the guy can finish.

I don't like Fields as a QB prospect for this team...you can go ahead and love him all you want but all I see a guy who misses passes game in game out, is late on his reads with poor ball placement from time to time and takes too many sacks for having a 4.44 40.

His film can be hot like the Nebraska game but it can show an awful QB relying on athleticism like it was vs Northwestern. Fields wasn't wasn't perfect on an all star team even though he had perfect games on occasion like vs Clemson and that's what makes him a scary pick. If he was in NDST like Lance at least he has the excuse of being on a bad team but he wasn't. I mean getting shut out from the 6 min mark of the 3rd Quarter on in the National Championship game tells me Alabama's D coordinator probably figured him out...NFL D Coordinators will do the same with his issues as a passer.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
The guys on the periphery may not have known there were trade discussions as those were high level, but it doesn't mean they aren't involved in some of the meetings discussing where each prospect ranks relative to one another. If someone briefly saw the draft board and it had Mac ranked higher as a QB prospect than Fields, that could source all sorts of rumors even if it's not the whole picture .

I remember a few years ago when it leaked that Lynch and Shanahan were not getting along and while that was BS and turned out to be nothing, it was a regional scout that was hired by the previous regime that supposedly leaked it.

It was a former scout hired by the previous regime. These guys have been around since 2017 and nothing has leaked out during that time period. Nothing is certainly going to leak out now.

The people involved in this ultimate decision on which QB to select certainly won't be leaking anything and that group likely doesn't involve anyone beyond Lynch, Shanahan, Peters, McDaniel, Scangarello, Waugh and Jed York.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
The guys on the periphery may not have known there were trade discussions as those were high level, but it doesn't mean they aren't involved in some of the meetings discussing where each prospect ranks relative to one another. If someone briefly saw the draft board and it had Mac ranked higher as a QB prospect than Fields, that could source all sorts of rumors even if it's not the whole picture .

I remember a few years ago when it leaked that Lynch and Shanahan were not getting along and while that was BS and turned out to be nothing, it was a regional scout that was hired by the previous regime that supposedly leaked it.

It was a former scout hired by the previous regime. These guys have been around since 2017 and nothing has leaked out during that time period. Nothing is certainly going to leak out now.

The people involved in this ultimate decision on which QB to select certainly won't be leaking anything and that group likely doesn't involve anyone beyond Lynch, Shanahan, Peters, McDaniel, Scangarello, Waugh and Jed York.

"Jed York"

Found the leaker.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
The guys on the periphery may not have known there were trade discussions as those were high level, but it doesn't mean they aren't involved in some of the meetings discussing where each prospect ranks relative to one another. If someone briefly saw the draft board and it had Mac ranked higher as a QB prospect than Fields, that could source all sorts of rumors even if it's not the whole picture .

I remember a few years ago when it leaked that Lynch and Shanahan were not getting along and while that was BS and turned out to be nothing, it was a regional scout that was hired by the previous regime that supposedly leaked it.

you're creating a scenario that isn't very likely. Your telling your scouts all this yr and right after the season that WE WANT A QB. Kyle and Lynch said that in the presser...this wasn't a sporadic trade or thought from the FO. Everyone did their job and didn't say s**t...why would they all of a sudden be saying anything? AND why would it be the truth?

You're proving my point it was someone else that wasn't in the build that threw out a bogus leak. It was in fact a lie. MUCH like every single thing that's being thrown out there right now.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
It was a former scout hired by the previous regime. These guys have been around since 2017 and nothing has leaked out during that time period. Nothing is certainly going to leak out now.

The people involved in this ultimate decision on which QB to select certainly won't be leaking anything and that group likely doesn't involve anyone beyond Lynch, Shanahan, Peters, McDaniel, Scangarello, Waugh and Jed York.

This, I mean if people want to seriously believe Lombardi or whomever be my guess...it's been proven over and over that you don't believe s**t a month before the draft.

This regime doesn't leak stuff plain and simple.

The team that drafts Lance will be betting on his traits and its ability to develop him. He flashed big-time traits on film but overall, it was average and his accuracy is concerning. The North Dakota State offense didn't ask him to pass much. North Dakota State was a power running team and ran a lot of run options with Lance. He has a ton of physical talent, he's intelligent, and he reportedly has a maniacal work ethic.

"The things that they ask him to do at North Dakota State is unlike anywhere else in college football," Quincy Avery, Lance's private quarterback coach, said on Pro Football Focus's college football podcast.

Avery said that Lance was tasked with figuring out the protections, adjusting them based on what he sees, and even calling the backside route concepts on certain play calls. His pre-snap responsibilities are consistent with what Carson Wentz had to do when he was at North Dakota State — the Bison are still running the same concepts. Avery also said that Lance made his own cut-ups and led pass-game meetings.

The NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah echoed the same sentiments on Robert Mays' "The Football Show": "Is it all there right now? No, but he has all the traits in the world and he's absolutely motivated, he has phenomenal work ethic, and he's highly intelligent. I'm going to bet on that kid."

Though he has limited film and he's coming from a small school, Lance is a 20-year-old ball of clay with phenomenal tools — mentally and physically. It's not hard to see why teams are salivating at the chance to mold him.

https://theathletic.com/2486020/2021/04/01/trey-lance-film-analysis-small-school-and-little-film-wont-keep-him-from-being-drafted-high/

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by jackburton1:
I keep going back and forth between Lance and Fields, being ok with Mac, and not liking anybody lol. The only major thing that scares me with Lance is the JMU. It was the only game where he was really under pressure and boy did he crumble. Mechanics went out the window, got laser-focused on his first read.

If you can point to one thing that separates good from great players, it's that they elevate their game when the competition is highest. I'm fairly certain Fields has this trait, Mac hasn't been tested at all and Lance may have a red flag there.

Did he elevate his game vs Alabama?....how about Northwestern?

You know the one thing fields is missing that both Lance and Mac have?

It's a National Championship.

Stop pushing this narrative. Show me an all time great QB that has a college National Championship as a starter and SB.

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Joe Montana.

Montana was a 3rd round pick. Good luck finding another one.

Your comments in these threads have reeked of ignorance. If you're using a national championship to make your QB evaluations that says a lot.

National Championship shows the guy can finish.

I don't like Fields as a QB prospect for this team...you can go ahead and love him all you want but all I see a guy who misses passes game in game out, is late on his reads with poor ball placement from time to time and takes too many sacks for having a 4.44 40.

His film can be hot like the Nebraska game but it can show an awful QB relying on athleticism like it was vs Northwestern. Fields wasn't wasn't perfect on an all star team even though he had perfect games on occasion like vs Clemson and that's what makes him a scary pick. If he was in NDST like Lance at least he has the excuse of being on a bad team but he wasn't. I mean getting shut out from the 6 min mark of the 3rd Quarter on in the National Championship game tells me Alabama's D coordinator probably figured him out...NFL D Coordinators will do the same with his issues as a passer.

It shows his team can finish. Did you watch that game? Fields was far from the issue for OSU when his defense gives up 464 yards and 5 TDs and another 150 on the ground. Given your comments I don't know if you did...or if you did you clearly didn't bother to go back and actually watch Fields' play alone.

If you want someone who can finish I'd say Fields' performance against Clemson shows plenty.