Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Yeah... but did you see his pro day?

That's the funny part. In Tim Jenkins break down of Lance he talked about his new mechanics and how his new mechanics has him late and behind his WRs. Which is exactly what he was doing at his Pro Day. Yet, he gets props for working on his mechanics.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by boast:

Trey Lance ranks dead last in accuracy rate on passes that go beyond the line of scrimmage (44%) among all quarterbacks drafted in the first round since 2017.

Also has the fewest throws into a tight window in that group.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) April 1, 2021

Yeah... but did you see his pro day?

Also you need to think about the quick reads and "pro-style" line adjustments he was doing before missing those passes.

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:
Also you need to think about the quick reads and "pro-style" line adjustments he was doing before missing those passes.

I was watching one break down on him. Can't remember what it was. They essentially laughed at him getting credit for his pre snap stuff He said yea he makes Mike checks. But could count on 1 hand how many rolled coverages he had to decipher at his level. Said at the FCS level every defense he watched was vanilla.

He then credited Mac for the complex defenses he had to decipher in comparison to the rest of the class.

Take it for what it's worth.

Originally posted by boast:

Trey Lance ranks dead last in accuracy rate on passes that go beyond the line of scrimmage (44%) among all quarterbacks drafted in the first round since 2017.

Also has the fewest throws into a tight window in that group.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) April 1, 2021

Not surprised by the 'fewest throws into tight window". He had guys running wiiiide open on so many throws. It's as if the defenders always bit on playaction. The 44% is eye opening. Is that stat also including 2019? It'd be lame if it was just that one 2020 game.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

It's weird man. There's this media push for Mac Jones, but guys I talk to think Lance....

Which probably means we're all wrong at it winds up Fields...lol. https://t.co/HcMIf4A0gL

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) April 2, 2021

Ben is terrible to follow bc of the way he replies to followers, but he definitely is spot on with his sources.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

It's weird man. There's this media push for Mac Jones, but guys I talk to think Lance....

Which probably means we're all wrong at it winds up Fields...lol. https://t.co/HcMIf4A0gL

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) April 2, 2021

Pretty much sums it up lol.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by boast:

Trey Lance ranks dead last in accuracy rate on passes that go beyond the line of scrimmage (44%) among all quarterbacks drafted in the first round since 2017.

Also has the fewest throws into a tight window in that group.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) April 1, 2021

Yeah... but did you see his pro day?

Haha. I have been trying to tell people. I do not get at all what people see in Lance.

I get people who like Fields over Mac. I might not agree with it but I at least get why they might want Fields over Mac.

It just really baffles me how people seem to be in love with the idea of drafting Lance but seem to think if we pick Mac that would be a disaster.

Lance played one season over a year ago in the FCS. A sub-division with just awful competition. They look like high school athletes out there. He threw the ball for an average of 18 passes a game. But let's all get out our pitchforks and torches If kyle drafts Mac over this guy.

How? In what world do people feel more comfortable with picking Lance, than a guy with the tape and season Mac just had. I feel like I am living in the twilight zone right now.

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by boast:

Trey Lance ranks dead last in accuracy rate on passes that go beyond the line of scrimmage (44%) among all quarterbacks drafted in the first round since 2017.

Also has the fewest throws into a tight window in that group.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) April 1, 2021

Yeah... but did you see his pro day?

Haha. I have been trying to tell people. I do not get at all what people see in Lance.

I get people who like Fields over Mac. I might not agree with it but I at least get why they might want Fields over Mac.

It just really baffles me how people seem to be in love with the idea of drafting Lance but seem to think if we pick Mac that would be a disaster.

Lance played one season over a year ago in the FCS. A sub-division with just awful competition. They look like high school athletes out there. He threw the ball for an average of 18 passes a game. But let's all get out our pitchforks and torches If kyle drafts Mac over this guy.

How? In what world do people feel more comfortable with picking Lance, than a guy with the tape and season Mac just had. I feel like I am living in the twilight zone right now.

What's wrong with Lance?

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Haha. I have been trying to tell people. I do not get at all what people see in Lance.

I get people who like Fields over Mac. I might not agree with it but I at least get why they might want Fields over Mac.

It just really baffles me how people seem to be in love with the idea of drafting Lance but seem to think if we pick Mac that would be a disaster.

Lance played one season over a year ago in the FCS. A sub-division with just awful competition. They look like high school athletes out there. He threw the ball for an average of 18 passes a game. But let's all get out our pitchforks and torches If kyle drafts Mac over this guy.

How? In what world do people feel more comfortable with picking Lance, than a guy with the tape and season Mac just had. I feel like I am living in the twilight zone right now.

Because Mac's ceiling is Kirk Cousin and Lance's is Allen/Mahomes. Not saying Lance will reach that but that is his ceiling based on athletic ability. If you are trading two future 1st RD picks you don't trade it for Kirk Cousins. You are taking a risk no matter what QB you trade up for, So shoot for the moon. If you hit on Lance you have a top 3 QB and SB favorite for the next decade. You hit on Jones you have a 2019 slightly upgraded Jimmy G.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by boast:

Trey Lance ranks dead last in accuracy rate on passes that go beyond the line of scrimmage (44%) among all quarterbacks drafted in the first round since 2017.

Also has the fewest throws into a tight window in that group.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) April 1, 2021

Yeah... but did you see his pro day?

Haha. I have been trying to tell people. I do not get at all what people see in Lance.

I get people who like Fields over Mac. I might not agree with it but I at least get why they might want Fields over Mac.

It just really baffles me how people seem to be in love with the idea of drafting Lance but seem to think if we pick Mac that would be a disaster.

Lance played one season over a year ago in the FCS. A sub-division with just awful competition. They look like high school athletes out there. He threw the ball for an average of 18 passes a game. But let's all get out our pitchforks and torches If kyle drafts Mac over this guy.

How? In what world do people feel more comfortable with picking Lance, than a guy with the tape and season Mac just had. I feel like I am living in the twilight zone right now.

What's wrong with Lance?

It is pretty much explained in that post.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Because Mac's ceiling is Kirk Cousin and Lance's is Allen/Mahomes. Not saying Lance will reach that but that is his ceiling based on athletic ability. If you are trading two future 1st RD picks you don't trade it for Kirk Cousins. You are taking a risk no matter what QB you trade up for, So shoot for the moon. If you hit on Lance you have a top 3 QB and SB favorite for the next decade. You hit on Jones you have a 2019 slightly upgraded Jimmy G.

I love how you Choose an average QB as Mac's Ceiling and Lances as one of the youngest, most gifted, talented Qbs ever. I am so tired of hearing about the ceiling. Brady hit the highest ceiling of any QB ever and he was not mobile. Many more great non-running QBs who were not named Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G. People do not know If Lance can read a defense or go through progressions. The speed of the NFL is going to be hard to adjust to given his level of competition. At best Lance is a project. You don't use three first-rounders on a project. We might as well be drafting a kid coming out of high school simply because he has a cannon arm and can run.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Haha. I have been trying to tell people. I do not get at all what people see in Lance.

I get people who like Fields over Mac. I might not agree with it but I at least get why they might want Fields over Mac.

It just really baffles me how people seem to be in love with the idea of drafting Lance but seem to think if we pick Mac that would be a disaster.

Lance played one season over a year ago in the FCS. A sub-division with just awful competition. They look like high school athletes out there. He threw the ball for an average of 18 passes a game. But let's all get out our pitchforks and torches If kyle drafts Mac over this guy.

How? In what world do people feel more comfortable with picking Lance, than a guy with the tape and season Mac just had. I feel like I am living in the twilight zone right now.

It's not the difficult to get.

his ceiling is massively higher than Jones. You're comparing a redshirt freshmen to a senior. You're compare a 19 yr old kid who only got half reads pre-snap then had to then call the protections, hot routes, audibles etc. He was basically the OC. Jones ran a basic spread offense that he got to learn for 3 yrs... it was all about getting elite players in space and letting them out talent you... A lot of what he did in Bama isn't what SF does schematically. What Lance did in NDST is extremely similar to what we run.

His pro day actually mattered because he spent over 5 months tightening up that release and working on his footwork...it's was A LOT better. That alone will improve accuracy and it's not like he was some massive inaccurate quarterback to begin with.

You draft players based on what they can be in 3 yrs not what they are right now...Josh allen played for freaking Wyoming and his film was by far worse then Lance from a technical standpoint. Josh was a pure ball of clay that needed the right roster coaching staff around him....Lance is the same thing BUT already has a better starting point between the ears.

in no plant is Mac Jones a better prospect then him...you draft for top 5 upside. Jones simply will never be that, not even if everything goes right for him.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
It is pretty much explained in that post.

I love how you Choose an average QB as Mac's Ceiling and Lances as one of the youngest, most gifted, talented Qbs ever. I am so tired of hearing about the ceiling. Brady hit the highest ceiling of any QB ever and he was not mobile. Many more great non-running QBs who were not named Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G. People do not know If Lance can read a defense or go through progressions. The speed of the NFL is going to be hard to adjust to given his level of competition. At best Lance is a project. You don't use three first-rounders on a project. We might as well be drafting a kid coming out of high school simply because he has a cannon arm and can run.

If your whole debate with Jones is based around him being Tom Brady (because that's what he would have to be to justify the pick) well bless your heart...go by a lotto ticket as well, you got the same chance of winning that. They could have had Brady and said no. They could have had Stafford and said no. I'll bet money they could have had Kirk/Ryan for less and said no.

ACTUALLY if you pay attention you will see Lance going through progressions, looking off safeties, and reading defenses pre-snap (did it more than Jones). So it's not about if he can do it, he has as a freaking 19 yr old! All why running a MORE shanahan style offense then Jones.

I don't want to be a dick, but I don't think you truly know what you're looking at when you're evaluating all these guys with the stuff you're saying.