Trey Lance QB NDSU

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Zierlein in an appearance on the Morning Roast on 95.7 the Game in San Francisco explained first that Lance's football IQ is exceptionally high because of how his college coaching staff at North Dakota State operates.

"Trey is kind of a throwback quarterback," Zierlein said. "I talked to his quarterback coach and they had them do more preparation at North Dakota State than any other college you're gonna find. They basically prepare like they're pro quarterbacks. So from a mental standpoint he's going to come into the league at a very high level from a football IQ standpoint. He just doesn't have experience."

That lack of experience would be well worth it if Lance develops the way Zierlein thinks he will. NDSU's scheme would not only make him a quick study in the 49ers' offense, but his skill set compares favorably to Hall of Famer John Elway, who won a pair of Super Bowls in a scheme similar to Kyle Shanahan's run by his dad, Mike.

"I think his ability to run the boot action stuff and the threat of him getting out on the edge is something that can really help the running game as well," Zierlein said. "I watched a lot of Gary Kubiak, Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan offense when Kyle was here in Houston and when Gary was here in Houston. I'm quite familiar with it and I know what the right kind of quarterback looks like, and he is an elevated version of that. He's what John Elway looks like to me."

Elway won almost a quarter of his games (23.6 percent) in three seasons with Shanahan from 1996-98. He also won his only two Super Bowls to close out his career. Pairing Lance with the younger Shanahan could give us a glimpse of what Elway might've looked like with a Shanahan offense in his prime.

Potential so high for this kid. AHHHH can't believe we have to wait 3+ more weeks.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Haha. I have been trying to tell people. I do not get at all what people see in Lance.

I get people who like Fields over Mac. I might not agree with it but I at least get why they might want Fields over Mac.

It just really baffles me how people seem to be in love with the idea of drafting Lance but seem to think if we pick Mac that would be a disaster.

Lance played one season over a year ago in the FCS. A sub-division with just awful competition. They look like high school athletes out there. He threw the ball for an average of 18 passes a game. But let's all get out our pitchforks and torches If kyle drafts Mac over this guy.

How? In what world do people feel more comfortable with picking Lance, than a guy with the tape and season Mac just had. I feel like I am living in the twilight zone right now.

I compare Lance to James Wiseman. The talent is clearly there and they will probably be very good players. But it's gonna be a year or two before you know for sure.

Originally posted by krizay:
That's the funny part. In Tim Jenkins break down of Lance he talked about his new mechanics and how his new mechanics has him late and behind his WRs. Which is exactly what he was doing at his Pro Day. Yet, he gets props for working on his mechanics.

His throwing motion is at the stage where he has to think about it, when it becomes natural he will be even better.

Why do we judge this kid as if he's the finished article when all he has done is show us that he's just scratching the surface.

Comes in as an 18 year old and be too skinny? Dedicates himself to the weight room and comes out a rocked up monster, dominating his league.

Throwing motion issues, no worries I'll fix them.

This kid would be ridiculous with Kyle.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
His throwing motion is at the stage where he has to think about it, when it becomes natural he will be even better.

Why do we judge this kid as if he's the finished article when all he has done is show us that he's just scratching the surface.

Comes in as an 18 year old and be too skinny? Dedicates himself to the weight room and comes out a rocked up monster, dominating his league.

Throwing motion issues, no worries I'll fix them.

This kid would be ridiculous with Kyle.

Remember Aaron Rodgers had a specific throwing motion that Jeff Tedford required. He had to change the way he threw in the NFL and that worked out ok.

poll

I definitely want them to go for the high ceiling guy. Lance or Fields are the most athletic and have the highest ceiling. They are also the least experienced. if they plan on starting Jimmy next year, that's fine. Let the draft pick watch and learn the system. Let Jimmy have a good year and build his trade value back up. Then trade him next year to save all that cap money and sign a couple of major free agents. I would hate to see them use this #3 pick on a guy that is going to be okay in Kyle's system. I don't want just okay. I want great. I want exciting.

I'm not concerned about Fields or Lance not fitting the system. Kyle can change things up to take advantage of their skills. He probably needs to change anyway since defenses find ways to stop teams that never evolve.

Heard that SF has had 3 meeting with Lance.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Heard that SF has had 3 meeting with Lance.

From where? Have they met with other QBs?

Kinda hoping Lance Is the QB we pick at number 3 now.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by krizay:
That's the funny part. In Tim Jenkins break down of Lance he talked about his new mechanics and how his new mechanics has him late and behind his WRs. Which is exactly what he was doing at his Pro Day. Yet, he gets props for working on his mechanics.

His throwing motion is at the stage where he has to think about it, when it becomes natural he will be even better.

Why do we judge this kid as if he's the finished article when all he has done is show us that he's just scratching the surface.

Comes in as an 18 year old and be too skinny? Dedicates himself to the weight room and comes out a rocked up monster, dominating his league.

Throwing motion issues, no worries I'll fix them.

This kid would be ridiculous with Kyle.

I always assume my QB prospects are finished articles

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Heard that SF has had 3 meeting with Lance.

Is it that hard to post the link?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
It is pretty much explained in that post.

I love how you Choose an average QB as Mac's Ceiling and Lances as one of the youngest, most gifted, talented Qbs ever. I am so tired of hearing about the ceiling. Brady hit the highest ceiling of any QB ever and he was not mobile. Many more great non-running QBs who were not named Kirk Cousins or Jimmy G. People do not know If Lance can read a defense or go through progressions. The speed of the NFL is going to be hard to adjust to given his level of competition. At best Lance is a project. You don't use three first-rounders on a project. We might as well be drafting a kid coming out of high school simply because he has a cannon arm and can run.

If your whole debate with Jones is based around him being Tom Brady (because that's what he would have to be to justify the pick) well bless your heart...go by a lotto ticket as well, you got the same chance of winning that. They could have had Brady and said no. They could have had Stafford and said no. I'll bet money they could have had Kirk/Ryan for less and said no.

ACTUALLY if you pay attention you will see Lance going through progressions, looking off safeties, and reading defenses pre-snap (did it more than Jones). So it's not about if he can do it, he has as a freaking 19 yr old! All why running a MORE shanahan style offense then Jones.

I don't want to be a dick, but I don't think you truly know what you're looking at when you're evaluating all these guys with the stuff you're saying.

How is my whole debate him being Tom Brady? I literally say there have been a ton of non-mobile QBs in this league who have been really good and do not simply have a ceiling of Kirk Cousin or Jimmy G. The point I was making is if the Argument is the Ceiling for players like Lance is of players like Mahomes. I will make the argument of the ceiling of players like Brady, Brees, Manning.

I have seen Lance go through some progressions before. I wouldn't say he does it a lot. Most of the plays I see are him doing play-action and either throwing to his first read and If he doesn't throw it to him, He tries to take off with the football.

Did he not have only one season,1 year ago?

Did he not play against awful competition?

Did he not average 18 passes a game?

Is any of that not true NY? I have noticed you have not tried to refute me on this.

Now I find out that he ranks dead last out of all players with accuracy on passes past the line of scrimmage. 44%. TERRIBLE

You say I don't know what I am talking about. You are welcome to tell me what I have been wrong about and why. But when I say something at least I come with something of substance to back it up. You might not like what I am putting out because it points to Mac being better. But at least I am coming with facts to back my argument up, not feelings. You like Lance a lot. An opinion you are not the only one who shares. I think you are wrong though.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Heard that SF has had 3 meeting with Lance.

Interesting. I wonder how many meetings they've had with the other guys? And I wonder how many of those meetings came before the Niners pulled the trigger on that big trade?

Putting myself in Shanahan's shoes, I know I would like to meet with the potential trade-up target before going all-in to get him.