Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by btthepunk:
Man I didn't know he received offers from Cornell and Brown University coming out of high school. Good to know he's a smart kid too.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Elway was the best player out of HS, the #1 college player and 1st pick, and a Hall of Fame Player with 2 SB rings. Give me a break with this kid's upside being higher than Elways. If he amounts to half the player he would still be a success

Was with you till the 1st pick and HOFer stuff. The draft hasn't happened yet,...nor has the end of his career,....so that stuff is kinda irrelevant and an admission of bias.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
David Lombardi thinks Trey Lance is who Kyle is leaning towards. Makes the Josh Allen comparison, how Kyle saw first hand how Allen tore them up. He can also sit for two years behind Jimmy.

The #3 overall pick is not sitting for 2 seasons unless Jimmy wins a Superbowl next year.

trey lance is very raw and we have jimmy for two more years

Again he is not sitting for two years.

This, he's getting the Mahomes treatment unless Jimmy gets hurt again. If Jimmy wins the SB we may get a 1st or at worst a 2nd

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Steve Young: faster, more agile, and more accurate than Elway.

Yet still not as good.

As Elway? You sure?

Yes. Im sure you will go by QB ratings. I went by my eyes and I guess these rankings agree
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-25-quarterbacks-of-all-time-patriots-tom-brady-leads-list-0ap3000001035041
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/507359-the-top-100-quarterbacks-in-nfl-history
https://clutchpoints.com/ranking-the-20-greatest-nfl-quarterbacks-of-all-time/
https://fansided.com/2021/02/04/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings-patrick-mahomes-tom-brady/4/

Trust me. I loved Steve Young. I never had a Montana jersey but had a Steve Young one. But I just think Elway was better. Maybe if Steve had been better in the playoffs I would agree with you.

In any case, this is about Lance. Moving on.

1991-1999:

John Elway: 79 wins, 165 TDs, 98 INTs, 85.3 QB rating. 1,474 rush yards 19 TDs. Approximate value: 111

Steve Young: 84 wins, 198 TDs, 80 INTs, 101.4 QB rating. 2,922 rush yards 33 TDs. Approximate value: 143

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Steve Young: faster, more agile, and more accurate than Elway.

Yet still not as good.

As Elway? You sure?

Yes. Im sure you will go by QB ratings. I went by my eyes and I guess these rankings agree
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-25-quarterbacks-of-all-time-patriots-tom-brady-leads-list-0ap3000001035041
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/507359-the-top-100-quarterbacks-in-nfl-history
https://clutchpoints.com/ranking-the-20-greatest-nfl-quarterbacks-of-all-time/
https://fansided.com/2021/02/04/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings-patrick-mahomes-tom-brady/4/

Trust me. I loved Steve Young. I never had a Montana jersey but had a Steve Young one. But I just think Elway was better. Maybe if Steve had been better in the playoffs I would agree with you.

In any case, this is about Lance. Moving on.

1991-1999:

John Elway: 79 wins, 165 TDs, 98 INTs, 85.3 QB rating. 1,474 rush yards 19 TDs. Approximate value: 111

Steve Young: 84 wins, 198 TDs, 80 INTs, 101.4 QB rating. 2,922 rush yards 33 TDs. Approximate value: 143

Stats only tell part of the story. Elway wasn't throwing to Jerry Rice and company. Young was an amazing player too though for sure, both super bowl winners and hall of famers. Both great prospects too although Young went to the usfl first. Elway was one of the few guys who could elevate an otherwise mediocre team to super bowl level. Young never had to do that so we'll never know what we would've done in those circumstances.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
David Lombardi thinks Trey Lance is who Kyle is leaning towards. Makes the Josh Allen comparison, how Kyle saw first hand how Allen tore them up. He can also sit for two years behind Jimmy.

The #3 overall pick is not sitting for 2 seasons unless Jimmy wins a Superbowl next year.

trey lance is very raw and we have jimmy for two more years

Again he is not sitting for two years.

Maybe not two, but one for sure.

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Stats only tell part of the story. Elway wasn't throwing to Jerry Rice and company. Young was an amazing player too though for sure, both super bowl winners and hall of famers. Both great prospects too although Young went to the usfl first. Elway was one of the few guys who could elevate an otherwise mediocre team to super bowl level. Young never had to do that so we'll never know what we would've done in those circumstances.

And Steve Young didn't have Terrell Davis rushing for 2000 yards either. It goes both ways.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Stats only tell part of the story. Elway wasn't throwing to Jerry Rice and company. Young was an amazing player too though for sure, both super bowl winners and hall of famers. Both great prospects too although Young went to the usfl first. Elway was one of the few guys who could elevate an otherwise mediocre team to super bowl level. Young never had to do that so we'll never know what we would've done in those circumstances.

And Steve Young didn't have Terrell Davis rushing for 2000 yards either. It goes both ways.

That was the end of elways career and the best teams he played on. Young played on teams like that most years. Like I said both were great. Just different is all.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Steve Young: faster, more agile, and more accurate than Elway.

Yet still not as good.

As Elway? You sure?

Yes. Im sure you will go by QB ratings. I went by my eyes and I guess these rankings agree
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-25-quarterbacks-of-all-time-patriots-tom-brady-leads-list-0ap3000001035041
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/507359-the-top-100-quarterbacks-in-nfl-history
https://clutchpoints.com/ranking-the-20-greatest-nfl-quarterbacks-of-all-time/
https://fansided.com/2021/02/04/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings-patrick-mahomes-tom-brady/4/

Trust me. I loved Steve Young. I never had a Montana jersey but had a Steve Young one. But I just think Elway was better. Maybe if Steve had been better in the playoffs I would agree with you.

In any case, this is about Lance. Moving on.

1991-1999:

John Elway: 79 wins, 165 TDs, 98 INTs, 85.3 QB rating. 1,474 rush yards 19 TDs. Approximate value: 111

Steve Young: 84 wins, 198 TDs, 80 INTs, 101.4 QB rating. 2,922 rush yards 33 TDs. Approximate value: 143

And all the rankings have Elway over Young. But I guess you are smarter . Elway had an elite arm. Young certainly did not. He also played on mediocre teams that he elevated to the SBs. Then he won 2 when he finally got some real talent. Steve had incredible players on the offensive end, including the best WR of all time, but really did not play well in the playoffs other than the 94 season.

I would put Steve top 10 but in no way would i put him over Elway. Like I said, put Elway on the Niners under Bill Walsh and he would have been the GOAT in my opinion. No QB had more God given talent.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Stats only tell part of the story. Elway wasn't throwing to Jerry Rice and company. Young was an amazing player too though for sure, both super bowl winners and hall of famers. Both great prospects too although Young went to the usfl first. Elway was one of the few guys who could elevate an otherwise mediocre team to super bowl level. Young never had to do that so we'll never know what we would've done in those circumstances.

And Steve Young didn't have Terrell Davis rushing for 2000 yards either. It goes both ways.

Elway played on a lot of bad Broncos teams throughout his career. Young played on great teams throughout his career.

Elway didnt have Davis until he was in his late 30s.

Love Steve, but Elway was better. And thats no knock, Elway is considered by many as the most talented QB ever, because of his great running ability and throwing ability. He was an all around complete QB.

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Stats only tell part of the story. Elway wasn't throwing to Jerry Rice and company. Young was an amazing player too though for sure, both super bowl winners and hall of famers. Both great prospects too although Young went to the usfl first. Elway was one of the few guys who could elevate an otherwise mediocre team to super bowl level. Young never had to do that so we'll never know what we would've done in those circumstances.

And Steve Young didn't have Terrell Davis rushing for 2000 yards either. It goes both ways.

That was the end of elways career and the best teams he played on. Young played on teams like that most years. Like I said both were great. Just different is all.

Exactly. But JCool will keep going to stats that dont tell the entire story. Obviously Steve played with MUCH better players in his career than Elway did.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:

Originally posted by RonMexico:
All in on Lance, please be the pick

John Elway is the superstar comp for Lance's upside. So it all depends on how favorable the Shanahans would value a QB with Elway traits.

I think his upside is higher than Elway.

Elway was the best player out of HS, the #1 college player and 1st pick, and a Hall of Fame Player with 2 SB rings. Give me a break with this kid's upside being higher than Elways. If he amounts to half the player he would still be a success

Yah, in 83. Lance is a far greater athlete than Elway was.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:

Originally posted by RonMexico:
All in on Lance, please be the pick

John Elway is the superstar comp for Lance's upside. So it all depends on how favorable the Shanahans would value a QB with Elway traits.

I think his upside is higher than Elway.

Elway was the best player out of HS, the #1 college player and 1st pick, and a Hall of Fame Player with 2 SB rings. Give me a break with this kid's upside being higher than Elways. If he amounts to half the player he would still be a success

Yah, in 83. Lance is a far greater athlete than Elway was.

Such a joke to say Lance is a far greater athlete. Seriously, what are you smoking. Not only was he taken first in the NFL draft, he was also taken in the 2nd rd in the MLB draft and given a 140K bonus (a lot of money back then). Lance is faster. Thats it. And that doesnt make his upside greater.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
David Lombardi thinks Trey Lance is who Kyle is leaning towards. Makes the Josh Allen comparison, how Kyle saw first hand how Allen tore them up. He can also sit for two years behind Jimmy.

The #3 overall pick is not sitting for 2 seasons unless Jimmy wins a Superbowl next year.

trey lance is very raw and we have jimmy for two more years

AGree. Very talented, and very raw. I think he's just 20 years old? If Kyle picks him, this guy can be very special.

Elway vs Steve Young. I think that Elway cannon outclassed a ton of QB's including Steve. But Steve way very accurate and that mobility was something special. You can't do stunts against Steve and have him break containment. Once he got out of the pocket, the scramble drill kicked in and usually he scored TD's off those drills. Elway wasn't as mobile as Steve, but that rocket launcher got by Lott a couple of times. The irony of Elway was that when he was put into the WCO, he actually had to throw softer and with touch vs the Dan Reeves scheme who was from the Tom Landry school of vertical motion offense.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:

Originally posted by RonMexico:
All in on Lance, please be the pick

John Elway is the superstar comp for Lance's upside. So it all depends on how favorable the Shanahans would value a QB with Elway traits.

I think his upside is higher than Elway.

Elway was the best player out of HS, the #1 college player and 1st pick, and a Hall of Fame Player with 2 SB rings. Give me a break with this kid's upside being higher than Elways. If he amounts to half the player he would still be a success

Yah, in 83. Lance is a far greater athlete than Elway was.

Such a joke to say Lance is a far greater athlete. Seriously, what are you smoking. Not only was he taken first in the NFL draft, he was also taken in the 2nd rd in the MLB draft and given a 140K bonus (a lot of money back then). Lance is faster. Thats it. And that doesnt make his upside greater.

Draft position doesn't = better athlete. By that measure, there were 3 rounds worth better athletes than TO.
Elway had great throwing ability with SOME mobility. Doesn't make him as good athlete as so many others who were overlooked because of other reasons.
Elway was my second favorite qB ever with a Joe #1. But I'm not even blind to the fact that he wasn't the best athlete at QB.