Trey Lance QB NDSU

Fields > Lance

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"He's the most refined and advanced quarterback in this draft, in the conventional (operating under center) play-action pass game. Quarterbacks in college today, don't normally do that. Trey Lance has done that more than any of these top quarterbacks." - @gregcosell#49ers pic.twitter.com/30dCre1Zcn

— Sterling Bennett (@49ers_Access) April 3, 2021

I respect Cosell's opinion because he watches a lot more film than almost anyone else. Maybe even more than some coaches. I just wish last year hadn't been wiped out for Lance so there would be more film to evaluate him. He looks the part and has youth on his side. Really a lot of room to grow. I know he has a big bust potential but all of these guys do. He's also the type of guy that we Niner fans could be wishing we had taken 3 years from now.

Personally I doubt he'd be a bust if Kyle is coaching. If Kyle can squeeze out 5 nfl game wins from undrafted noodle arm statue Nick Mullens, he can squeeze out x10 wins from Lance who's X20 the athlete Nick is.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally I doubt he'd be a bust if Kyle is coaching. If Kyle can squeeze out 5 nfl game wins from undrafted noodle arm statue Nick Mullens, he can squeeze out x10 wins from Lance who's X20 the athlete Nick is.

Good point.

Maybe the reason they made this deal so early was that Kyle was afraid someone else might jump in there and draft Lance. Maybe he finally sees his chance to get a potentially great QB that is really young and athletic but has experience playing under center in a similar style offense. It's not like taking an athletic QB that's been playing in a pistol or some other option type offense. I just can't see them making this move so early for Jones who most people feel will be available later in the round.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Maybe the reason they made this deal so early was that Kyle was afraid someone else might jump in there and draft Lance. Maybe he finally sees his chance to get a potentially great QB that is really young and athletic but has experience playing under center in a similar style offense. It's not like taking an athletic QB that's been playing in a pistol or some other option type offense. I just can't see them making this move so early for Jones who most people feel will be available later in the round.

That's what I'm saying, the deal was for Lance and we're sightly concerned with Atlanta offering nyj a deal they can't refuse. Lance is the target imo.

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Maybe the reason they made this deal so early was that Kyle was afraid someone else might jump in there and draft Lance. Maybe he finally sees his chance to get a potentially great QB that is really young and athletic but has experience playing under center in a similar style offense. It's not like taking an athletic QB that's been playing in a pistol or some other option type offense. I just can't see them making this move so early for Jones who most people feel will be available later in the round.

That's what I'm saying, the deal was for Lance and we're sightly concerned with Atlanta offering nyj a deal they can't refuse. Lance is the target imo.

In that case, we'll take Wilson

Originally posted by MrNineSeven:
Fields > Lance

You may be right. But, Lance has already played in a system similar to Kyle's and I think he's better suited for his offense. Having said that - I'll be very happy with Fields or Lance.

As great of an athlete as Lance is, to me the most compelling part of him as a prospect is his brain. The fact that he was able to coordinate a pro-style offense at such a young age, establish himself as the team leader as a freshman, has the smarts to actively improve his mechanical flaws, and reportedly obsesses over football is super impressive. This is why I think he's the target.

Originally posted by IGSXIII:
As great of an athlete as Lance is, to me the most compelling part of him as a prospect is his brain. The fact that he was able to coordinate a pro-style offense at such a young age, establish himself as the team leader as a freshman, has the smarts to actively improve his mechanical flaws, and reportedly obsesses over football is super impressive. This is why I think he's the target.

Tell this to #49erstwitter glamouring over Fields daily lol

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by MrNineSeven:
Fields > Lance

You may be right. But, Lance has already played in a system similar to Kyle's and I think he's better suited for his offense. Having said that - I'll be very happy with Fields or Lance.

Aside the head start of familiarity, is there really any benefit in the medium to long run of what system a QB is in or expected to learn if we believe he can be good regardless?

What I mean is Lance may pick it up faster, but there comes a point where you know the system. Mullens knew it, but he didn't have the physical ability so he's a backup etc.

Couple that with the idea the rookie will sit the first year (at least that's what we are told at this point in time lol) and I don't think Lance's current exposure to more pro concepts than Fields matters much.

I like Lance, but I'm of the opinion Fields > Lance. Imo Lance is the biggest unknown. It's obvious Fields and Lance's athleticism and arm talent far surpass Jones. So for me it's which player does Kyle think has it best between the ears.

Originally posted by IGSXIII:
As great of an athlete as Lance is, to me the most compelling part of him as a prospect is his brain. The fact that he was able to coordinate a pro-style offense at such a young age, establish himself as the team leader as a freshman, has the smarts to actively improve his mechanical flaws, and reportedly obsesses over football is super impressive. This is why I think he's the target.

I'm fine with either Lance or Fields. The main reason why I give Fields the edge is his toughness, ability to elevate his game/be clutch in a game, and having gone through adversity which has showed up on film ie Clemson and Alabama. More of an It factor. If Lance also has that, I hope they pick it up through film and interviewing him etc.

Originally posted by FacePalm:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Maybe the reason they made this deal so early was that Kyle was afraid someone else might jump in there and draft Lance. Maybe he finally sees his chance to get a potentially great QB that is really young and athletic but has experience playing under center in a similar style offense. It's not like taking an athletic QB that's been playing in a pistol or some other option type offense. I just can't see them making this move so early for Jones who most people feel will be available later in the round.

That's what I'm saying, the deal was for Lance and we're sightly concerned with Atlanta offering nyj a deal they can't refuse. Lance is the target imo.

In that case, we'll take Wilson

I think you're right but I also think Wilson is being overrated quite a bit. https://youtu.be/glVUXaRy5PU

I think Shannahan wants Lance not Wilson. Hence the smoke screens.

Originally posted by ninerFate:

Originally posted by IGSXIII:
As great of an athlete as Lance is, to me the most compelling part of him as a prospect is his brain. The fact that he was able to coordinate a pro-style offense at such a young age, establish himself as the team leader as a freshman, has the smarts to actively improve his mechanical flaws, and reportedly obsesses over football is super impressive. This is why I think he's the target.

I'm fine with either Lance or Fields. The main reason why I give Fields the edge is his toughness, ability to elevate his game/be clutch in a game, and having gone through adversity which has showed up on film ie Clemson and Alabama. More of an It factor. If Lance also has that, I hope they pick it up through film and interviewing him etc.

I don't think Fields is part of the equation. My guess at Shannahans board is Lawrence>Lance>Wilson>Jones

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

Originally posted by IGSXIII:
As great of an athlete as Lance is, to me the most compelling part of him as a prospect is his brain. The fact that he was able to coordinate a pro-style offense at such a young age, establish himself as the team leader as a freshman, has the smarts to actively improve his mechanical flaws, and reportedly obsesses over football is super impressive. This is why I think he's the target.

I'm fine with either Lance or Fields. The main reason why I give Fields the edge is his toughness, ability to elevate his game/be clutch in a game, and having gone through adversity which has showed up on film ie Clemson and Alabama. More of an It factor. If Lance also has that, I hope they pick it up through film and interviewing him etc.

I don't think Fields is part of the equation. My guess at Shannahans board is Lawrence>Lance>Wilson>Jones

Yeah I'm simply stating why I think Fields has an edge over Lance coming out as a QB prospect. In terms of Kyle's draft board, I can easily see Lance > Fields as a real possibility.

Originally posted by ninerFate:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

Originally posted by IGSXIII:
As great of an athlete as Lance is, to me the most compelling part of him as a prospect is his brain. The fact that he was able to coordinate a pro-style offense at such a young age, establish himself as the team leader as a freshman, has the smarts to actively improve his mechanical flaws, and reportedly obsesses over football is super impressive. This is why I think he's the target.

I'm fine with either Lance or Fields. The main reason why I give Fields the edge is his toughness, ability to elevate his game/be clutch in a game, and having gone through adversity which has showed up on film ie Clemson and Alabama. More of an It factor. If Lance also has that, I hope they pick it up through film and interviewing him etc.

I don't think Fields is part of the equation. My guess at Shannahans board is Lawrence>Lance>Wilson>Jones

Yeah I'm simply stating why I think Fields has an edge over Lance coming out as a QB prospect. In terms of Kyle's draft board, I can easily see Lance > Fields as a real possibility.

Gotcha. Makes sense. Fields is a crazy athlete with major pedigree for sure.