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Trey Lance QB NDSU

Trey Lance QB NDSU

Apr 5, 2021 at 5:00 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Did you really compare tackling in the FCS to the NFL?

No. I didn't. All I'm saying is - tackling in NFL isn't all that great. He played FCS at age 19-20. He will not stay the same.
Apr 5, 2021 at 5:05 PM
Originally posted by 4ML:
Can't really apply that to QBs like Lawrence and Mac Jones - who have excellent coaching staffs and have some of the top Wrs.

They're still going to get better coaching in the NFL. As far as having better WR's, that's true, but you're also going to be facing far better CB's in the NFL than you did in the FCS. Fields, Jones and Lawrence played with better WR's but they also regularly went up against NFL caliber defenders nearly every week. Lance, not so much. And because he only played one season at that level, you're going to require a lot more projection than for most.
Apr 5, 2021 at 5:06 PM
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
You don't think him knowing he only had 1 game to show out he didn't try to do too much? I'm not putting stock in 1 game and I highly doubt he would've regressed this year if he played a whole season. Matter fact I would be willing to bet he would've been in consideration for the Jets

It was a showcase game so if anything he was trying to hard.

Exactly my point, a 20 year old kid knowing he only has 1 game he's going to be forcing, running all around and just trying to carry the team and not play his game. Like I said I'm not crying wolf 1 game

Devil's advocate: this may show he doesn't handle mental pressure well.
Apr 5, 2021 at 5:07 PM
Originally posted by 4ML:
No. I didn't. All I'm saying is - tackling in NFL isn't all that great. He played FCS at age 19-20. He will not stay the same.

You hope, but honestly there's no way of telling that with any certainty.
Apr 5, 2021 at 5:10 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Can't really apply that to QBs like Lawrence and Mac Jones - who have excellent coaching staffs and have some of the top Wrs.

They're still going to get better coaching in the NFL. As far as having better WR's, that's true, but you're also going to be facing far better CB's in the NFL than you did in the FCS. Fields, Jones and Lawrence played with better WR's but they also regularly went up against NFL caliber defenders nearly every week. Lance, not so much. And because he only played one season at that level, you're going to require a lot more projection than for most.

This is the biggest thing for me. Faster LBs and full time professionals that analyze every single tell. A throw on a curl a QB made in college where the receiver caught it while the DB broke just a half yard late will be an INT in the pros. This is why fundamentals for any offensive skill player is vital in order to not give away the route, run side, or play.
Apr 5, 2021 at 5:25 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Got a link for that source? Any spot which has Fields last in accuracy needs a link.

I mentioned the source. They don't typically give out advanced metrics for free because the information is 10X more valuable than statistics with zero regard to context.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08X68N1B8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Apr 5, 2021 at 7:10 PM
Originally posted by IceMan1763:
Originally posted by genus49:
Got a link for that source? Any spot which has Fields last in accuracy needs a link.

I mentioned the source. They don't typically give out advanced metrics for free because the information is 10X more valuable than statistics with zero regard to context.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08X68N1B8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thank you for providing the link.

Seems like you missed the part where they explain Fields being lower on that stat you posted due to his average depth of target. Hell the way it reads is they're showing their own metrics have gaps in them.



[ Edited by genus49 on Apr 5, 2021 at 7:11 PM ]
Apr 5, 2021 at 7:26 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 4ML:
No. I didn't. All I'm saying is - tackling in NFL isn't all that great. He played FCS at age 19-20. He will not stay the same.

You hope, but honestly there's no way of telling that with any certainty.

Of course. There is no certainty of that with any player. Just saying - he's gonna get bigger and stronger too.
[ Edited by 4ML on Apr 5, 2021 at 7:27 PM ]
Apr 5, 2021 at 7:36 PM
Lots of rumors that Atlanta is open to trading down and already had discussions with teams. ATL been the team connected to Lance for awhile, just saying.
Apr 5, 2021 at 7:48 PM
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Lots of rumors that Atlanta is open to trading down and already had discussions with teams. ATL been the team connected to Lance for awhile, just saying.

They have no idea who we're picking. Just speculating like everyone else. I'm sure their assumption is if they are actually very high on Lance that Shanahan would be equally high on him as well.

Then again they redid Matt Ryan's contract and they may be realizing they could get a top notch offer to move down and it could be too good to pass up.
Apr 5, 2021 at 7:54 PM
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Lots of rumors that Atlanta is open to trading down and already had discussions with teams. ATL been the team connected to Lance for awhile, just saying.

Nah. Fields is the guy. Atlanta wants him badly. That's why Lynch moved up to 3. Fields is a GA boy and rumors have it that Arthur Blank has a hard on for him. That's why Atlanta is looking to trade back. They got cock blocked and Fields is gonna be a 49er.
Apr 5, 2021 at 7:59 PM
Originally posted by 4ML:
Of course. There is no certainty of that with any player. Just saying - he's gonna get bigger and stronger too.

I really don't give a crap about that. No QB made it to the Hall of Fame because if how or strong they were. His arm strength is already very good, any further increase there isn't going to matter half as much as being able to sit back in the pocket, dissect a defense and get the ball out quickly and accurately on a consistent basis.
Apr 5, 2021 at 7:59 PM
Originally posted by Scratch:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Lots of rumors that Atlanta is open to trading down and already had discussions with teams. ATL been the team connected to Lance for awhile, just saying.

Nah. Fields is the guy. Atlanta wants him badly. That's why Lynch moved up to 3. Fields is a GA boy and rumors have it that Arthur Blank has a hard on for him. That's why Atlanta is looking to trade back. They got cock blocked and Fields is gonna be a 49er.

Now that sounds good to me.
Apr 5, 2021 at 8:08 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Of course. There is no certainty of that with any player. Just saying - he's gonna get bigger and stronger too.

I really don't give a crap about that. No QB made it to the Hall of Fame because if how or strong they were. His arm strength is already very good, any further increase there isn't going to matter half as much as being able to sit back in the pocket, dissect a defense and get the ball out quickly and accurately on a consistent basis.

I was talking in respect to him running ppl over. Obviously being able to sit back in pocket and be accurate is what matters most.
[ Edited by 4ML on Apr 5, 2021 at 8:14 PM ]
Apr 5, 2021 at 8:27 PM
Originally posted by Scratch:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Lots of rumors that Atlanta is open to trading down and already had discussions with teams. ATL been the team connected to Lance for awhile, just saying.

Nah. Fields is the guy. Atlanta wants him badly. That's why Lynch moved up to 3. Fields is a GA boy and rumors have it that Arthur Blank has a hard on for him. That's why Atlanta is looking to trade back. They got cock blocked and Fields is gonna be a 49er.

Man I hope you're right
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