Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by ltrain:
I heard Lance has only played 27 games of football his entire high school and college days combined. Compared to almost 100 for Lawrence. I like Lance's upside, but lack of experience and game film scares me at pick 3.

I think this sums it up nicely from Dane Brugler:

Overall, Lance is an unprecedented evaluation and will require time as he adjusts to the speed and complexities of the NFL, but his physical traits, poise and intelligence are a rare package for his age and meager experience.

One of the biggest problems I have with a project like lance is that by the time he is ready, if ever, he will be almost done with his rookie contract and will want to get paid.

I love Trey Lance.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One of the biggest problems I have with a project like lance is that by the time he is ready, if ever, he will be almost done with his rookie contract and will want to get paid.

That's a good point. In Lance's case - he'll be only 21 during this entire season. So, let's say he needs 2 full seasons to be ready. He'll be fully ready to go at age 23. I'll take that.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One of the biggest problems I have with a project like lance is that by the time he is ready, if ever, he will be almost done with his rookie contract and will want to get paid.

That's a good point. In Lance's case - he'll be only 21 during this entire season. So, let's say he needs 2 full seasons to be ready. He'll be fully ready to go at age 23. I'll take that.

Age has nothing to do with a rookie contract. The benefit of a rookie qb is he's on the cheap. 5 years is the window to stock other players. Lance is probably sitting 2 maybe even 3 years. So you're only getting 2 good seasons at best.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One of the biggest problems I have with a project like lance is that by the time he is ready, if ever, he will be almost done with his rookie contract and will want to get paid.

That's a good point. In Lance's case - he'll be only 21 during this entire season. So, let's say he needs 2 full seasons to be ready. He'll be fully ready to go at age 23. I'll take that.

Age has nothing to do with a rookie contract. The benefit of a rookie qb is he's on the cheap. 5 years is the window to stock other players. Lance is probably sitting 2 maybe even 3 years. So you're only getting 2 good seasons at best.

Hence I started with - that's a good point. I agree with you there.

I don't think he sits 3 years though. I think he plays in 2022 for sure if he is drafted by the 49ers.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One of the biggest problems I have with a project like lance is that by the time he is ready, if ever, he will be almost done with his rookie contract and will want to get paid.

What makes you think that? With his experience playing a pro style offense (one similar to ours) plus his rushing ability make me feel like he'd be ready 100% next season and perhaps this season depending how quickly he takes to the offense. I only reference his rushing ability as mobile QBs IMO can play sooner since they can improvise a bit better with there legs (there are definitely downfalls to this though).

I don't see him as a complete project, it's not like he didn't have games under his belt at all. Another thing that is subjective here, is when watching his pro day he isn't breathing hard at all, in this time off he definitely has been staying in shape/around the game. I do agree that if we take him he probably won't have a complete mastering of the playbook until year 3 (one year of sitting and one year of actually playing) but that can be said for the others as well.

Originally posted by All_Knowing:
What makes you think that? With his experience playing a pro style offense (one similar to ours) plus his rushing ability make me feel like he'd be ready 100% next season and perhaps this season depending how quickly he takes to the offense. I only reference his rushing ability as mobile QBs IMO can play sooner since they can improvise a bit better with there legs (there are definitely downfalls to this though).

I don't see him as a complete project, it's not like he didn't have games under his belt at all. Another thing that is subjective here, is when watching his pro day he isn't breathing hard at all, in this time off he definitely has been staying in shape/around the game. I do agree that if we take him he probably won't have a complete mastering of the playbook until year 3 (one year of sitting and one year of actually playing) but that can be said for the others as well.

Exactly. Point is to win Super Bowl. Doubt any of the QBs in this draft are leading a team to Super Bowl win in first two years of their professional career.

Justin Fields will

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One of the biggest problems I have with a project like lance is that by the time he is ready, if ever, he will be almost done with his rookie contract and will want to get paid.

Why is he a bigger project? Ran a pro style scheme with plays straight out of Shanahans playbook while running offensive meetings...

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One of the biggest problems I have with a project like lance is that by the time he is ready, if ever, he will be almost done with his rookie contract and will want to get paid.

Why is he a bigger project? Ran a pro style scheme with plays straight out of Shanahans playbook while running offensive meetings...

He is really green, only one year of college experience against much weaker competition and there are some real easy to spot mechanical inconsistencies that lead to errant passes. He is plutonium grade raw material, don't get me wrong but it really shows that he has the longest to go in his development before he is ready. If he was the choice I would want to keep Jimmy for two years. I break it down like this ...Jones is the pick send Jimmy at the draft, If it is Fields keep Jimmy a year and see if he can stay healthy, if it is Lance keep Jimmy for two and see where you are middle of next year around the deadline.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One of the biggest problems I have with a project like lance is that by the time he is ready, if ever, he will be almost done with his rookie contract and will want to get paid.

Why is he a bigger project? Ran a pro style scheme with plays straight out of Shanahans playbook while running offensive meetings...

He is really green, only one year of college experience against much weaker competition and there are some real easy to spot mechanical inconsistencies that lead to errant passes. He is plutonium grade raw material, don't get me wrong but it really shows that he has the longest to go in his development before he is ready. If he was the choice I would want to keep Jimmy for two years. I break it down like this ...Jones is the pick send Jimmy at the draft, If it is Fields keep Jimmy a year and see if he can stay healthy, if it is Lance keep Jimmy for two and see where you are middle of next year around the deadline.

Naaaaa, he uses the Niners when playing Madden, he's ready!

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
He is really green, only one year of college experience against much weaker competition and there are some real easy to spot mechanical inconsistencies that lead to errant passes. He is plutonium grade raw material, don't get me wrong but it really shows that he has the longest to go in his development before he is ready. If he was the choice I would want to keep Jimmy for two years. I break it down like this ...Jones is the pick send Jimmy at the draft, If it is Fields keep Jimmy a year and see if he can stay healthy, if it is Lance keep Jimmy for two and see where you are middle of next year around the deadline.

I'm also just not on board with the general consensus that Lance is the least pro ready. People who like Jones are now lumping in high school starts to cover up the fact that Jones and Lance have the same number of college starts. If you're trying to go the "level of competition" route with experience, I just can't see it with Jones because the offense he played on was SO superior that he was rarely pressured. Does it matter if you played at the FBS level if your team was so good that you had consistently clean pockets and skill players who were open consistently?

Fields has a wealth of experience in both regards, for sure, and is absolutely a MUCH better selection than Jones. When comparing the experience of Fields vs Lance, I don't see his "scheme related" experience as giving him that much of a leg up, however. I don't feel that what he was doing in Ohio State's system will translate very well to what the 49ers do. On the other hand, Lance's admittedly limited experience comes in perhaps one of the most similar offensive systems you could find at the college level to the 49ers.

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One of the biggest problems I have with a project like lance is that by the time he is ready, if ever, he will be almost done with his rookie contract and will want to get paid.

Why is he a bigger project? Ran a pro style scheme with plays straight out of Shanahans playbook while running offensive meetings...

Exactly and has as many college starts as Mac Jones. He'd sit for a max of one year

Originally posted by Niners418:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One of the biggest problems I have with a project like lance is that by the time he is ready, if ever, he will be almost done with his rookie contract and will want to get paid.

Why is he a bigger project? Ran a pro style scheme with plays straight out of Shanahans playbook while running offensive meetings...

Exactly and has as many college starts as Mac Jones. He'd sit for a max of one year

He's also used to the kind of drop backs that Kyle uses unlike Fields. Fields has played under center but he doesn't look nearly as comfortable as Lance is there.