Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by fryet:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
GTFO McCorkle

Who is McCorkle? I keep hearing him mentioned in various places.

It's Mac's middle name. Dweebs on the internet use it to try to demean him for some reason. They can't separate the person from the player.

I think he'll be a good QB and I still use it. Why? Because it's hysterical. If he becomes our QB and becomes a Pro Bowler, I'll still use it.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by kbarlows1000ydseason:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
ok after watching tape again, im confident the niners take lance. honestly ill be surprised if kyle doesn't take him.

What did you see that makes you so confident? How many of his 288 TOTAL college throws did you watch?

I feel like once Mahomes hit, every fan thinks that any Raw QB can be molded into a Hall of Famer. (Even though Mahomes was a 3 year starter with almost 1500 college passes.)

I feel like after Allen hit, every fan thinks every strong armed inaccurate QB can improve their accuracy. (Even though Allen started 2.5 years in college and needed 2 NFL seasons to develop, and is really the ONLY example of a QB drastically improving his accuracy)

Those two camps have converged and Lance arrived just in time as their Anointed One.

He reminds me of Deshone Kizer who seems a bit more of a natural runner and thrower.

i see a s**t ton if similar plays kyle uses, he runs a more pro style offense, love his throwing mechanics, his athleticism, etc

he obviously has his weaknesses but its nothing where i see he cant get better at.

Pro style offense? He rushed the ball 177 times for 1200 yards and 16 TDs. He only threw the ball 100 more times than he passed the ball and only threw for 12 more TDs than he ran for.

Are you talking about formations and personnel? You don't think Fields can adjust to playing with a FB and 21 personnel?

Lance's greatest qualities are "intangibles," along with arm strength and athleticism. If you draft him, you're projecting that he will improve his flaws and maximize his strengths.

Right. This is what gives me anxiety about Lance. A team that drafts a player believes he's going to get better. But "getting better" is a skill like any other, and because Lance didn't play last season we have little idea about how good he is at getting better i.e. what he can get better at, how quickly he gets better, etc. It's easier to assess that skill if you've got a couple seasons of tape. Maybe scouts just have to sus that out by talking to his coaches, and maybe that's good enough if you trust them. "We saw him take a big leap in identifying fronts in Year 2" or that kind of thing. But it'd be nice to have hard evidence to back that stuff up.

Agree, and I dont know if his next pro day will put to bed some of those worries. Agree its a two person race - Feilds vs Mac for #3 pick.

Nah. It's Fields vs Lance for sure.

Lance is too raw to risk the #3 pick on him. If Jimmy goes down, Lance will be toast in the playoffs against elite defenses that you face at that level.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by kbarlows1000ydseason:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
ok after watching tape again, im confident the niners take lance. honestly ill be surprised if kyle doesn't take him.

What did you see that makes you so confident? How many of his 288 TOTAL college throws did you watch?

I feel like once Mahomes hit, every fan thinks that any Raw QB can be molded into a Hall of Famer. (Even though Mahomes was a 3 year starter with almost 1500 college passes.)

I feel like after Allen hit, every fan thinks every strong armed inaccurate QB can improve their accuracy. (Even though Allen started 2.5 years in college and needed 2 NFL seasons to develop, and is really the ONLY example of a QB drastically improving his accuracy)

Those two camps have converged and Lance arrived just in time as their Anointed One.

He reminds me of Deshone Kizer who seems a bit more of a natural runner and thrower.

i see a s**t ton if similar plays kyle uses, he runs a more pro style offense, love his throwing mechanics, his athleticism, etc

he obviously has his weaknesses but its nothing where i see he cant get better at.

Pro style offense? He rushed the ball 177 times for 1200 yards and 16 TDs. He only threw the ball 100 more times than he passed the ball and only threw for 12 more TDs than he ran for.

Are you talking about formations and personnel? You don't think Fields can adjust to playing with a FB and 21 personnel?

Lance's greatest qualities are "intangibles," along with arm strength and athleticism. If you draft him, you're projecting that he will improve his flaws and maximize his strengths.

Right. This is what gives me anxiety about Lance. A team that drafts a player believes he's going to get better. But "getting better" is a skill like any other, and because Lance didn't play last season we have little idea about how good he is at getting better i.e. what he can get better at, how quickly he gets better, etc. It's easier to assess that skill if you've got a couple seasons of tape. Maybe scouts just have to sus that out by talking to his coaches, and maybe that's good enough if you trust them. "We saw him take a big leap in identifying fronts in Year 2" or that kind of thing. But it'd be nice to have hard evidence to back that stuff up.

Agree, and I dont know if his next pro day will put to bed some of those worries. Agree its a two person race - Feilds vs Mac for #3 pick.

Nah. It's Fields vs Lance for sure.

Lance is too raw to risk the #3 pick on him. If Jimmy goes down, Lance will be toast in the playoffs against elite defenses that you face at that level.

If Jimmy can win throwing 8 passes in the playoffs so can Lance, because he can run over safeties, too. I still prefer Fields, and have mostly liked Fields first for the last five months (except a brief couple of weeks recently, but I'm back on Fields), but if the offense is as good besides the QB as it was in 2019, Lance can do whatever Jimmy did.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by kbarlows1000ydseason:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
ok after watching tape again, im confident the niners take lance. honestly ill be surprised if kyle doesn't take him.

What did you see that makes you so confident? How many of his 288 TOTAL college throws did you watch?

I feel like once Mahomes hit, every fan thinks that any Raw QB can be molded into a Hall of Famer. (Even though Mahomes was a 3 year starter with almost 1500 college passes.)

I feel like after Allen hit, every fan thinks every strong armed inaccurate QB can improve their accuracy. (Even though Allen started 2.5 years in college and needed 2 NFL seasons to develop, and is really the ONLY example of a QB drastically improving his accuracy)

Those two camps have converged and Lance arrived just in time as their Anointed One.

He reminds me of Deshone Kizer who seems a bit more of a natural runner and thrower.

i see a s**t ton if similar plays kyle uses, he runs a more pro style offense, love his throwing mechanics, his athleticism, etc

he obviously has his weaknesses but its nothing where i see he cant get better at.

Pro style offense? He rushed the ball 177 times for 1200 yards and 16 TDs. He only threw the ball 100 more times than he passed the ball and only threw for 12 more TDs than he ran for.

Are you talking about formations and personnel? You don't think Fields can adjust to playing with a FB and 21 personnel?

Lance's greatest qualities are "intangibles," along with arm strength and athleticism. If you draft him, you're projecting that he will improve his flaws and maximize his strengths.

Right. This is what gives me anxiety about Lance. A team that drafts a player believes he's going to get better. But "getting better" is a skill like any other, and because Lance didn't play last season we have little idea about how good he is at getting better i.e. what he can get better at, how quickly he gets better, etc. It's easier to assess that skill if you've got a couple seasons of tape. Maybe scouts just have to sus that out by talking to his coaches, and maybe that's good enough if you trust them. "We saw him take a big leap in identifying fronts in Year 2" or that kind of thing. But it'd be nice to have hard evidence to back that stuff up.

Agree, and I dont know if his next pro day will put to bed some of those worries. Agree its a two person race - Feilds vs Mac for #3 pick.

Nah. It's Fields vs Lance for sure.

Lance is too raw to risk the #3 pick on him. If Jimmy goes down, Lance will be toast in the playoffs against elite defenses that you face at that level.

If Jimmy can win throwing 8 passes in the playoffs so can Lance, because he can run over safeties, too. I still prefer Fields, and have mostly liked Fields first for the last five months (except a brief couple of weeks recently, but I'm back on Fields), but if the offense is as good besides the QB as it was in 2019, Lance can do whatever Jimmy did.

Jamal Adams and Budda Baker are probably a little harder to run over than some rando from South Dakota State. I'd rather he learn that Kyler Murrey slide so he can get the free 15 yards for one of them breathing near him when he goes down.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by fryet:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
GTFO McCorkle

Who is McCorkle? I keep hearing him mentioned in various places.

It's Mac's middle name. Dweebs on the internet use it to try to demean him for some reason. They can't separate the person from the player.

Wow a dweeb for calling someone their actual name? How is calling someone their middle name not separating person from player? I call Zach Wilson by his middle name too which is Kapono. The irony of you saying this is Mac isn't even his name, he's called that because of McCorkle and I can say dweebs on the internet try to use it to promote him for some reason just the same.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by kbarlows1000ydseason:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
ok after watching tape again, im confident the niners take lance. honestly ill be surprised if kyle doesn't take him.

What did you see that makes you so confident? How many of his 288 TOTAL college throws did you watch?

I feel like once Mahomes hit, every fan thinks that any Raw QB can be molded into a Hall of Famer. (Even though Mahomes was a 3 year starter with almost 1500 college passes.)

I feel like after Allen hit, every fan thinks every strong armed inaccurate QB can improve their accuracy. (Even though Allen started 2.5 years in college and needed 2 NFL seasons to develop, and is really the ONLY example of a QB drastically improving his accuracy)

Those two camps have converged and Lance arrived just in time as their Anointed One.

He reminds me of Deshone Kizer who seems a bit more of a natural runner and thrower.

i see a s**t ton if similar plays kyle uses, he runs a more pro style offense, love his throwing mechanics, his athleticism, etc

he obviously has his weaknesses but its nothing where i see he cant get better at.

Pro style offense? He rushed the ball 177 times for 1200 yards and 16 TDs. He only threw the ball 100 more times than he passed the ball and only threw for 12 more TDs than he ran for.

Are you talking about formations and personnel? You don't think Fields can adjust to playing with a FB and 21 personnel?

Lance's greatest qualities are "intangibles," along with arm strength and athleticism. If you draft him, you're projecting that he will improve his flaws and maximize his strengths.

Right. This is what gives me anxiety about Lance. A team that drafts a player believes he's going to get better. But "getting better" is a skill like any other, and because Lance didn't play last season we have little idea about how good he is at getting better i.e. what he can get better at, how quickly he gets better, etc. It's easier to assess that skill if you've got a couple seasons of tape. Maybe scouts just have to sus that out by talking to his coaches, and maybe that's good enough if you trust them. "We saw him take a big leap in identifying fronts in Year 2" or that kind of thing. But it'd be nice to have hard evidence to back that stuff up.

Agree, and I dont know if his next pro day will put to bed some of those worries. Agree its a two person race - Feilds vs Mac for #3 pick.

Nah. It's Fields vs Lance for sure.

Lance is too raw to risk the #3 pick on him. If Jimmy goes down, Lance will be toast in the playoffs against elite defenses that you face at that level.

If Jimmy can win throwing 8 passes in the playoffs so can Lance, because he can run over safeties, too. I still prefer Fields, and have mostly liked Fields first for the last five months (except a brief couple of weeks recently, but I'm back on Fields), but if the offense is as good besides the QB as it was in 2019, Lance can do whatever Jimmy did.

Jamal Adams and Budda Baker are probably a little harder to run over than some rando from South Dakota State. I'd rather he learn that Kyler Murrey slide so he can get the free 15 yards for one of them breathing near him when he goes down.

I already took that into account. Lance can run over LINEBACKERS in college, so I estimate he'll be able to run over safeties in the NFL.

But yeah, he needs to slide unless it's a crucial down and the yards would matter.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by fryet:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
GTFO McCorkle

Who is McCorkle? I keep hearing him mentioned in various places.

It's Mac's middle name. Dweebs on the internet use it to try to demean him for some reason. They can't separate the person from the player.

Wow a dweeb for calling someone their actual name? How is calling someone their middle name not separating person from player? I call Zach Wilson by his middle name too which is Kapono. The irony of you saying this is Mac isn't even his name, he's called that because of McCorkle and I can say dweebs on the internet try to use it to promote him for some reason just the same.

Regardless, Kapono sounds like the name of a badass assassin or mobster. McCorkle sounds like the name of a lovable fat guy in a sitcom.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by fryet:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
GTFO McCorkle

Who is McCorkle? I keep hearing him mentioned in various places.

It's Mac's middle name. Dweebs on the internet use it to try to demean him for some reason. They can't separate the person from the player.

Wow a dweeb for calling someone their actual name? How is calling someone their middle name not separating person from player? I call Zach Wilson by his middle name too which is Kapono. The irony of you saying this is Mac isn't even his name, he's called that because of McCorkle and I can say dweebs on the internet try to use it to promote him for some reason just the same.

Lol seriously. It's just funny. People were calling him that before the trade up when most of us were cool with him at 12.

guess if you're not calling him Michael Jones you're a dweeb.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by fryet:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
GTFO McCorkle

Who is McCorkle? I keep hearing him mentioned in various places.

It's Mac's middle name. Dweebs on the internet use it to try to demean him for some reason. They can't separate the person from the player.

Wow a dweeb for calling someone their actual name? How is calling someone their middle name not separating person from player? I call Zach Wilson by his middle name too which is Kapono. The irony of you saying this is Mac isn't even his name, he's called that because of McCorkle and I can say dweebs on the internet try to use it to promote him for some reason just the same.

Kapono? Does that mean if the 49ers miraculously draft him, they will call him Kap?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by kbarlows1000ydseason:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
ok after watching tape again, im confident the niners take lance. honestly ill be surprised if kyle doesn't take him.

What did you see that makes you so confident? How many of his 288 TOTAL college throws did you watch?

I feel like once Mahomes hit, every fan thinks that any Raw QB can be molded into a Hall of Famer. (Even though Mahomes was a 3 year starter with almost 1500 college passes.)

I feel like after Allen hit, every fan thinks every strong armed inaccurate QB can improve their accuracy. (Even though Allen started 2.5 years in college and needed 2 NFL seasons to develop, and is really the ONLY example of a QB drastically improving his accuracy)

Those two camps have converged and Lance arrived just in time as their Anointed One.

He reminds me of Deshone Kizer who seems a bit more of a natural runner and thrower.

i see a s**t ton if similar plays kyle uses, he runs a more pro style offense, love his throwing mechanics, his athleticism, etc

he obviously has his weaknesses but its nothing where i see he cant get better at.

Pro style offense? He rushed the ball 177 times for 1200 yards and 16 TDs. He only threw the ball 100 more times than he passed the ball and only threw for 12 more TDs than he ran for.

Are you talking about formations and personnel? You don't think Fields can adjust to playing with a FB and 21 personnel?

Lance's greatest qualities are "intangibles," along with arm strength and athleticism. If you draft him, you're projecting that he will improve his flaws and maximize his strengths.

Right. This is what gives me anxiety about Lance. A team that drafts a player believes he's going to get better. But "getting better" is a skill like any other, and because Lance didn't play last season we have little idea about how good he is at getting better i.e. what he can get better at, how quickly he gets better, etc. It's easier to assess that skill if you've got a couple seasons of tape. Maybe scouts just have to sus that out by talking to his coaches, and maybe that's good enough if you trust them. "We saw him take a big leap in identifying fronts in Year 2" or that kind of thing. But it'd be nice to have hard evidence to back that stuff up.

Agree, and I dont know if his next pro day will put to bed some of those worries. Agree its a two person race - Feilds vs Mac for #3 pick.

Nah. It's Fields vs Lance for sure.

Lance is too raw to risk the #3 pick on him. If Jimmy goes down, Lance will be toast in the playoffs against elite defenses that you face at that level.

So you think he's "raw" but yet he had the most responsibility of any QB in the draft pre snap, and his verbiage and scheme he played in were the closest to Kyle Shanahan's of any QB in the draft by far. That's not raw to me...

I would say Fields is more "raw" when it comes to playing within our system. His footwork, making protection calls, checking the ball down, calling plays in the huddle and the quick underneath screen game are all things Fields is more "raw" at and yet he's going to fine there too.

Lance is only raw when it comes to playing against good competition and reps. His technique is anything but raw.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31248700/nfl-draft-2021-trey-lance-draft-most-mysterious-prospect

"On a dreary February night in Fargo, right after Lance had finished his redshirt season, he got a call from a former high school teammate. Blaise Andries was a year ahead of Lance at Marshall High, and was in his second year as an offensive tackle at Minnesota. It was about 8 p.m. on a Tuesday, and Andries was just checking in.

"What are you doing right now?" Andries asked.

"I'm at the stadium watching film," Lance said.

"Film of what?"

"I'm breaking down some NFL defenses."

Andries let that hang there. His friend, who was redshirting while future pro Easton Stick led North Dakota State to a second straight national title, was sitting in the Fargodome on a random Tuesday night -- in the offseason --breaking down film of NFL defenses.

"First of all, why aren't you doing schoolwork?" Andries said. "And second, you're studying NFL defenses?"

Andries is telling me this story via Zoom from his apartment in Minneapolis. On the desk in front of him is a pile of study sheets crawling with numbers and formulas. A math major, he set out to become an actuary but then grew to 6-foot-6 and 335 pounds, and got good enough at offensive tackle that his dream is likely to be delayed by an NFL career.

"Is what Trey did normal?" Andries asks. "Oh, no -- very abnormal. That man lived at that stadium. Seriously, it's an obsession. He was looking ahead at a time when nobody would have thought he should be looking ahead. You don't find many people who obsess over anything the way he does with football."

- Draft Him!!

So what happens if Lance has a stellar pro day?

Originally posted by rathman4481:
So what happens if Lance has a stellar pro day?

Right I can't wait for the "did you see Kyle smile after that throw!?" Lance at 3 lock it in

It's pretty interesting that per request of Kyle, John Beck is now working with Lance...you don't do that if you already have a guy.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
So you think he's "raw" but yet he had the most responsibility of any QB in the draft pre snap, and his verbiage and scheme he played in were the closest to Kyle Shanahan's of any QB in the draft by far. That's not raw to me...

I would say Fields is more "raw" when it comes to playing within our system. His footwork, making protection calls, checking the ball down, calling plays in the huddle and the quick underneath screen game are all things Fields is more "raw" at and yet he's going to fine there too.

Lance is only raw when it comes to playing against good competition and reps. His technique is anything but raw.

Agreed. I would love Fields or Lance end of the day.