Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Maybe they are that high on him. You think he is that good? #3 overall?

Talent level is Top 5. I do have my reservations about him for a variety of reasons but if a coach can harness that talent and get him to improve his accuracy, make him more of a pocket passer, I think he can be a very good NFL QB, at least as good as Allen but I do think there are more question marks compared to someone like Fields who has a huge upside too but is a lot more proven.

Agreed

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Maybe they are that high on him. You think he is that good? #3 overall?

Talent level is Top 5. I do have my reservations about him for a variety of reasons but if a coach can harness that talent and get him to improve his accuracy, make him more of a pocket passer, I think he can be a very good NFL QB, at least as good as Allen but I do think there are more question marks compared to someone like Fields who has a huge upside too but is a lot more proven.

Agreed

I agree too!

"Sports Info Solutions' proprietary quarterback metric that builds on the traditional Passer Rating formula by isolating competitive throws (e.g., by excluding throwaways and only including accurate completions) and eliminating the effects of results outside his control (e.g., dropped passes, dropped interceptions).

Lance: 120.1

Fields: 104. 3.

Wilson: 69.9

What I've been trying to say is that Lance even with his elite team has WRs that drop balls more than any other QB in this class. At least that's what I see on his film I don't have the exact numbers. We have to try to isolate the player from his his surroundings and I think we're overvaluing Lance's weapons because his team's success was probably the easiest of any top QB.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Maybe they are that high on him. You think he is that good? #3 overall?

Talent level is Top 5. I do have my reservations about him for a variety of reasons but if a coach can harness that talent and get him to improve his accuracy, make him more of a pocket passer, I think he can be a very good NFL QB, at least as good as Allen but I do think there are more question marks compared to someone like Fields who has a huge upside too but is a lot more proven.

I can live with Lance but it seems kind of dumb to pass on the guy who has the same upside but is more proven.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Maybe they are that high on him. You think he is that good? #3 overall?

Talent level is Top 5. I do have my reservations about him for a variety of reasons but if a coach can harness that talent and get him to improve his accuracy, make him more of a pocket passer, I think he can be a very good NFL QB, at least as good as Allen but I do think there are more question marks compared to someone like Fields who has a huge upside too but is a lot more proven.

Yea, that's how I feel. Lance could be an incredible player, but the level of risk does not feel worth the difference in upside between him and Fields. That's assuming that he does have a higher ceiling than Fields which I'm not sure he actually does.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
"Sports Info Solutions' proprietary quarterback metric that builds on the traditional Passer Rating formula by isolating competitive throws (e.g., by excluding throwaways and only including accurate completions) and eliminating the effects of results outside his control (e.g., dropped passes, dropped interceptions).

Lance: 120.1

Fields: 104. 3.

Wilson: 69.9

What I've been trying to say is that Lance even with his elite team has WRs that drop balls more than any other QB in this class. At least that's what I see on his film I don't have the exact numbers. We have to try to isolate the player from his his surroundings and I think we're overvaluing Lance's weapons because his team's success was probably the easiest of any top QB.

Sports Info Solutions?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
"Sports Info Solutions' proprietary quarterback metric that builds on the traditional Passer Rating formula by isolating competitive throws (e.g., by excluding throwaways and only including accurate completions) and eliminating the effects of results outside his control (e.g., dropped passes, dropped interceptions).

Lance: 120.1

Fields: 104. 3.

Wilson: 69.9

What I've been trying to say is that Lance even with his elite team has WRs that drop balls more than any other QB in this class. At least that's what I see on his film I don't have the exact numbers. We have to try to isolate the player from his his surroundings and I think we're overvaluing Lance's weapons because his team's success was probably the easiest of any top QB.

Sports Info Solutions?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2021/3/30/22310120/qb-rankings-breaking-down-four-of-the-top-draft-qbs-by-trait-to-see-who-best-fits-the-49ers

Seems legit

Their is nothing and I mean nothing Lance can do at his pro day to sway the 49ers decision. The team already knows who they are going to draft and have known since they made the trade too No.3. If Lance is the pick then it was made a long time ago and will not be made tomorrow. Fields had a perfect Pro day so Lance can't out do that. Either Lance or Fields will be the pick and one of them has always been the pick before these pro days.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
"Sports Info Solutions' proprietary quarterback metric that builds on the traditional Passer Rating formula by isolating competitive throws (e.g., by excluding throwaways and only including accurate completions) and eliminating the effects of results outside his control (e.g., dropped passes, dropped interceptions).

Lance: 120.1

Fields: 104. 3.

Wilson: 69.9

What I've been trying to say is that Lance even with his elite team has WRs that drop balls more than any other QB in this class. At least that's what I see on his film I don't have the exact numbers. We have to try to isolate the player from his his surroundings and I think we're overvaluing Lance's weapons because his team's success was probably the easiest of any top QB.

Sports Info Solutions?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2021/3/30/22310120/qb-rankings-breaking-down-four-of-the-top-draft-qbs-by-trait-to-see-who-best-fits-the-49ers

Seems legit

"Lance was ignorant to pressure. He didn't react, and it was almost as if he didn't know any better. That is another reason why I believe Shanahan is high on him, as most evaluators should."

That is just saying something without really saying anything.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
"Sports Info Solutions' proprietary quarterback metric that builds on the traditional Passer Rating formula by isolating competitive throws (e.g., by excluding throwaways and only including accurate completions) and eliminating the effects of results outside his control (e.g., dropped passes, dropped interceptions).

Lance: 120.1

Fields: 104. 3.

Wilson: 69.9

What I've been trying to say is that Lance even with his elite team has WRs that drop balls more than any other QB in this class. At least that's what I see on his film I don't have the exact numbers. We have to try to isolate the player from his his surroundings and I think we're overvaluing Lance's weapons because his team's success was probably the easiest of any top QB.

Best Info so far!

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
"Sports Info Solutions' proprietary quarterback metric that builds on the traditional Passer Rating formula by isolating competitive throws (e.g., by excluding throwaways and only including accurate completions) and eliminating the effects of results outside his control (e.g., dropped passes, dropped interceptions).

Lance: 120.1

Fields: 104. 3.

Wilson: 69.9

What I've been trying to say is that Lance even with his elite team has WRs that drop balls more than any other QB in this class. At least that's what I see on his film I don't have the exact numbers. We have to try to isolate the player from his his surroundings and I think we're overvaluing Lance's weapons because his team's success was probably the easiest of any top QB.

Sports Info Solutions?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2021/3/30/22310120/qb-rankings-breaking-down-four-of-the-top-draft-qbs-by-trait-to-see-who-best-fits-the-49ers

Seems legit

"Lance was ignorant to pressure. He didn't react, and it was almost as if he didn't know any better. That is another reason why I believe Shanahan is high on him, as most evaluators should."

That is just saying something without really saying anything.

So instead of disputing the point I'm making or the stat I posted you found something else to disagree with. Got it.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I just can't see it. How in the world could you pick a NDSU QB above Fields or Mac Jones? Yes Wentz went #2 overall. Had some success for a while. Then got injured and struggled. But I just think it's a big jump for him. He's also not 6'5" like Wentz. A program like Ohio State or Alabama just has to prepare you better for coming into the NFL. But NDSU is the best at their division level. I just can't see him at #3 overall. I think we could have stayed put and got him there if this is what we wanted. It almost hast to be Mac Jones or Fields.

NDSU runs a pro style offense. Probably why Carson Wentz came out and played well right away. Lance hasn't had a ton of reps but the reps he did get helped prepare him better than a Justin Fields imo. Just talking rep for rep here and scheme. Small school guys have done well historically and recently so that shouldn't be a deterrent. McNair, Wentz, and Allen to name a few. Lance has two issues imo... The lack of reps which we've talked about and accuracy issues. He makes the reads as good as anyone, runs better than anyone else, and has the biggest arm in the class.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Really great pod on Lance and some Fields. He's coaches/coaching both and he said Lance ceiling is higher than every QB in the draft in his opinion.



Go to 11minute mark - he's talking about Lance.

Really want Lance at 3. He's gonna be something else in Shanahan's offense.

Absolute great listen Want Lance at 3 even more after watching this video no doubt

If we do draft this guy I want to get in before 9moon and make his stupid nickname 3Knife

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
"Sports Info Solutions' proprietary quarterback metric that builds on the traditional Passer Rating formula by isolating competitive throws (e.g., by excluding throwaways and only including accurate completions) and eliminating the effects of results outside his control (e.g., dropped passes, dropped interceptions).

Lance: 120.1

Fields: 104. 3.

Wilson: 69.9

What I've been trying to say is that Lance even with his elite team has WRs that drop balls more than any other QB in this class. At least that's what I see on his film I don't have the exact numbers. We have to try to isolate the player from his his surroundings and I think we're overvaluing Lance's weapons because his team's success was probably the easiest of any top QB.

Sports Info Solutions?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2021/3/30/22310120/qb-rankings-breaking-down-four-of-the-top-draft-qbs-by-trait-to-see-who-best-fits-the-49ers

Seems legit

"Lance was ignorant to pressure. He didn't react, and it was almost as if he didn't know any better. That is another reason why I believe Shanahan is high on him, as most evaluators should."

That is just saying something without really saying anything.

There should be a serious concern going from FCS pass rushers vs playing against guys like Aaron Donald/JJ Watt/Chandler Jones