Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Did he hit anyone in stride from what we saw?

Not many from what I saw. Not a good sign IMO.

Give me fields

He most certainly did

Had a couple of high passes, probably was a little hyped up, but otherwise hit all his receivers in stride.

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

more accurate - not by enough to matter when examining advanced passing metrics (on target%, etc.)
better arm - debateable
faster - straight line maybe but Trey has 4.5 speed and is more elusive
decision maker - some people think that's a weakness for Fields, but it's rarely said about Lance
smart - for football smarts Trey's experience is more relevant to the NFL is what some would say

But to put it more simply... your opinion might not match everyone else's.

It doesn't need to I'm trying to understand. We know that Fields is more accurate on short and intermediate throws Lance can overthrow pretty often when it comes to short throws like bubble screens. When it comes to decision-maker I don't know if that's necessarily the case people wanna dog fields for that. But just like Mac Jones his receivers are always open so we never have to go past the second read. But we should knock him for that?.And when it comes to football smarts does everybody forget the Justin fields was teaching receivers how to run routes that his pro day.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Did he hit anyone in stride from what we saw?

Not many from what I saw. Not a good sign IMO.

Give me fields

He most certainly did

Oh he had some in stride. The biggest thing for me was that off platform throw fading to the left. He definitely didn't hit him in stride and was at least 10 yard shorter than fields and Zack Wilson

That throw is always the show stopper but how practical is it really? That's maybe a throw he will attempt twice a year. But with that said it is super impressive when they can hit it!

Originally posted by fan49:
Oh he had some in stride. The biggest thing for me was that off platform throw fading to the left. He definitely didn't hit him in stride and was at least 10 yard shorter than fields and Zack Wilson

Huh?


overall it was hard to breakdown this based on the camera angles

I thought Lance's deep balls were fine. They were perfectly catchable and were pretty much inline with what you'd see out of other top deep throwers in the league.

Just pull up highlights of Mahomes and most of his deep throws aren't dimes dropped perfectly in the receivers hands where they don't have to break stride. Most of them the receiver had to make some adjustment to come down with the ball and those are guys he's had tons of reps with in practice.

What's going to separate Fields and Lance with Shanahan is the football IQ aspect and how big the gap is between the two. You'd give the nod Lance in that regard at this moment of time but it's possible Fields can be at Lance's level or close to it as well. It's simply something we can't know unless you spend time with each one of them and talk football with them to see how they do in that regard.

Originally posted by 49erGlory:
That throw is always the show stopper but how practical is it really? That's maybe a throw he will attempt twice a year. But with that said it is super impressive when they can hit it!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erGlory:
That throw is always the show stopper but how practical is it really? That's maybe a throw he will attempt twice a year. But with that said it is super impressive when they can hit it!

Justin Fields briefly left the Ohio State-Michigan game with a knee injury.

First play back, he threw a DIME! 😮 pic.twitter.com/UCoJ0p9B98

— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) November 30, 2019

For the "Pro Day Throws Don't Translate" crowd...

Here's Fields hitting a deep post from under center off play action against Indiana. pic.twitter.com/qEwhevZB0U

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) April 15, 2021

I hate to be the guy making the pick - I'm in love with both guys, but watching that clip of Fields makes me remember why I love him. That pass was incredible.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's the lack of velocity in Jones throws...it's very clear there's a drastic difference in arm talent when you watch Lance/fields makes those same throws.

Yeah every NFL QB can throw a deep ball. The difference is the zip on the throw(And accuracy ofcourse)and how quick it can get to the target so the defender doesn't have time to catch up to the receiver and break it up. Can't have the throw look like a punt.

Some better than others.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by genus49:
Oh weird no mention of his WRs having to wait for his passes? Shocking.

Even though it did happen. What I noticed was Justin fields is clearly a better athlete. More accurate and can throw better on the move. When tray Lance attempted to run to the left and throw the Off platform throw that Zach Wilson and Justin fields dead. It only went about 55 yards in the receiver had to slow down to catch it. Fields through at 65 And cut the receiver in stride

I mean I don't have an issue with Lance on those throws because those aren't his WRs so timing would be an issue. I just find it funny that jcs was looking for any way to knock Fields for his pro day throws even though he was lighting it up and yet Lance was apparently so smooth...

If you can't keep the same energy then save it(that's not directed to you obviously)

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Sure if we're going to just make s**t up then let's do it.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Did you just say that's the only advantage LOL. It's clear that field is a better athlete. It's very clear. It's clear that feels better it off platforms rows. If Lance has a better arm then why couldn't he throws off platform throw as far and as accurate as fields? And I don't know if tray Lance runs a four or five or not but I do know that Fields runs a 4.3 4.4. And I don't see how Lance is a better runner I'm sorry I just don't yeah he can truck people he could probably take his better. But he is not as agile and he's not as light on his feet. I hope we can continue this debate

Yeah I don't know what the hell those two guys are talking about. Nothing Lance does is better then current Justin Fields.

Justin Fields
Better Athlete
Better passer
Better in the pocket
Smarter (Fields doesn't try to run over LBs and DBs)
Been a high performer since High School
Better Leader
Proven Toughness
More pro ready

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

I dispute all of these.

Arm strength is debatable, especially since Fields has shown that he can throw deep without his feet set multiple times.

Fields is definitely more accurate. Both film and advanced stats show this.

I dispute that Lance is better at all the post-snap mental stuff as well. BOTH of these guys failed to see the open guy. The difference that I saw was that when Fields was late on the read, he tended to move the checkdown. When Lance was late, he tended to either stick with his initial read and just throw it up or just start running.

The only things I like about Lance more are his experience under center and his bulkiness.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Sorry, man - I'm a Lance man.

Originally posted by Jikkle49:
I thought Lance's deep balls were fine. They were perfectly catchable and were pretty much inline with what you'd see out of other top deep throwers in the league.

Just pull up highlights of Mahomes and most of his deep throws aren't dimes dropped perfectly in the receivers hands where they don't have to break stride. Most of them the receiver had to make some adjustment to come down with the ball and those are guys he's had tons of reps with in practice.

What's going to separate Fields and Lance with Shanahan is the football IQ aspect and how big the gap is between the two. You'd give the nod Lance in that regard at this moment of time but it's possible Fields can be at Lance's level or close to it as well. It's simply something we can't know unless you spend time with each one of them and talk football with them to see how they do in that regard.

No, no I wouldn't. There's zero actual real evidence to support that assertion beyond some random QB coach who is cashing checks from Lance talking him up like you'd expect anyone to talk up the guy paying his bills.