Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by genus49:
I mean I don't have an issue with Lance on those throws because those aren't his WRs so timing would be an issue. I just find it funny that jcs was looking for any way to knock Fields for his pro day throws even though he was lighting it up and yet Lance was apparently so smooth...

If you can't keep the same energy then save it(that's not directed to you obviously)

Lance had an NFL veteran WR to throw and all he had to do was make the throws, because Matthews knew where to go on the routes.
Fields actually had to coach up two freshman WRs on where to go and route concepts. Very impressive to do that and made his pin point passes look even more incredible.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Sorry, man - I'm a Lance man.

Your choice is your choice...just stick with it lol.

Also almost everything that dude said is wrong...so agreeing with him means you may want to go back and check the film.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erGlory:
That throw is always the show stopper but how practical is it really? That's maybe a throw he will attempt twice a year. But with that said it is super impressive when they can hit it!

Justin Fields briefly left the Ohio State-Michigan game with a knee injury.

First play back, he threw a DIME! 😮 pic.twitter.com/UCoJ0p9B98

— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) November 30, 2019

For the "Pro Day Throws Don't Translate" crowd...

Here's Fields hitting a deep post from under center off play action against Indiana. pic.twitter.com/qEwhevZB0U

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) April 15, 2021

Lol this.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Sorry, man - I'm a Lance man.

Your choice is your choice...just stick with it lol.

Also almost everything that dude said is wrong...so agreeing with him means you may want to go back and check the film.

What did he say that was wrong? I thought he was spot on.

Originally posted by mayo49:
What did he say that was wrong? I thought he was spot on.

Mayo, pick a QB and stick with them. You seem to be going for Lance now so if I see you change your mind yet again between now and the draft I'm changing your username to Ambivalent49.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jikkle49:
I thought Lance's deep balls were fine. They were perfectly catchable and were pretty much inline with what you'd see out of other top deep throwers in the league.

Just pull up highlights of Mahomes and most of his deep throws aren't dimes dropped perfectly in the receivers hands where they don't have to break stride. Most of them the receiver had to make some adjustment to come down with the ball and those are guys he's had tons of reps with in practice.

What's going to separate Fields and Lance with Shanahan is the football IQ aspect and how big the gap is between the two. You'd give the nod Lance in that regard at this moment of time but it's possible Fields can be at Lance's level or close to it as well. It's simply something we can't know unless you spend time with each one of them and talk football with them to see how they do in that regard.

No, no I wouldn't. There's zero actual real evidence to support that assertion beyond some random QB coach who is cashing checks from Lance talking him up like you'd expect anyone to talk up the guy paying his bills.

Seriously. People seem to just go with that assumption because Lance ran a pro style offense? Suddenly OSU offense is considered a simple spread offense fluffing up Fields and not asking him to do anything?

Not to mention I find it ironic that Lance couldn't go to a better school and because of the offense his school runs he's considered to have better football IQ?

We have no way to tell who has better football IQ. Did CJ Beathard have better football IQ than Patrick Mahomes?

Originally posted by Ark49er:
Yeah I don't know what the hell those two guys are talking about. Nothing Lance does is better then current Justin Fields.

Justin Fields
Better Athlete
Better passer
Better in the pocket
Smarter (Fields doesn't try to run over LBs and DBs)
Been a high performer since High School
Better Leader
Proven Toughness
More pro ready

I wouldn't say smarter or better leader. I also think Lance has a quicker release.

I have fields as my QB2 and I hope he's the pick, I wouldn't hate Lance though...there's a lot to like. He's just scratching the surface, where he goes will be big for his future.

Originally posted by genus49:
Seriously. People seem to just go with that assumption because Lance ran a pro style offense? Suddenly OSU offense is considered a simple spread offense fluffing up Fields and not asking him to do anything?

Not to mention I find it ironic that Lance couldn't go to a better school and because of the offense his school runs he's considered to have better football IQ?

We have no way to tell who has better football IQ. Did CJ Beathard have better football IQ than Patrick Mahomes?

I don't think there's anything special about an offense that featured so many designed QB runs and relatively little passing compared to the other QB's. Yes the offense is ran under center but I see zero reason why Fields couldn't excel in the exact same scheme. A guy like Herbert moved seamlessly from a spread heavy offense in Oregon to a pro style offense in the NFL in San Diego without much of a preseason at all. I think people put way too much weight on that stuff.

"BUT HE PLAYED WITH A FULLBACK!"

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
It took Allen 3 years to improve his accuracy those other examples are around there as well. The problem is we are in our super Bowl window now, we don't have 3-4 years to wait for his accuracy to improve especially when we can can draft a more accurate QB instead of him. Not to mention, the rookie wage scale makes teams feel they have to move on form QBs like Darnold and Tannehil and Winston and Mariota before then because they have to decide whether or not to pay them at that point. Or you end up paying them too early like Goff and Wentz.

Like I said in previous posts, if Justin Fields wasn't available, you roll the dice on Lance and pray that he improves his accuracy to be as accurate as Feilds already is. If Fields is availible, I don't see why you you pass on him. Its like having a 5 stroke lead on the 18th hole and pulling out your driver to go for the hole in one. Just put it safely down the fairway and take the cash!

This is the best post in the whole Trey Lance thread. If Fields isn't available then do like you said and roll the dice with Lance. Hope that he improves his accuracy like Josh Allen but quicker. He will have to be ready after a year not 3.. Of course Allen is one of the rarest inaccurate QBs to come into the league and improve his accuracy. Lance definitely has the odds against him, but if the 49ers pick him, we have to hope he came over come the odds.

I will take him over Matt Jones lol

Originally posted by genus49:
Seriously. People seem to just go with that assumption because Lance ran a pro style offense? Suddenly OSU offense is considered a simple spread offense fluffing up Fields and not asking him to do anything?

Not to mention I find it ironic that Lance couldn't go to a better school and because of the offense his school runs he's considered to have better football IQ?

We have no way to tell who has better football IQ. Did CJ Beathard have better football IQ than Patrick Mahomes?

Everything I've read leads me to believe they're both top end as far as football IQ goes. Both have high end traits with monster ceilings...fields just has more tape and has done it at the highest level. Honestly it's kinda dumb that we're having these discussions.

I still won't hate Lance at all...just no Mac and I'm good

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jikkle49:
I thought Lance's deep balls were fine. They were perfectly catchable and were pretty much inline with what you'd see out of other top deep throwers in the league.

Just pull up highlights of Mahomes and most of his deep throws aren't dimes dropped perfectly in the receivers hands where they don't have to break stride. Most of them the receiver had to make some adjustment to come down with the ball and those are guys he's had tons of reps with in practice.

What's going to separate Fields and Lance with Shanahan is the football IQ aspect and how big the gap is between the two. You'd give the nod Lance in that regard at this moment of time but it's possible Fields can be at Lance's level or close to it as well. It's simply something we can't know unless you spend time with each one of them and talk football with them to see how they do in that regard.

No, no I wouldn't. There's zero actual real evidence to support that assertion beyond some random QB coach who is cashing checks from Lance talking him up like you'd expect anyone to talk up the guy paying his bills.

In addition, what everyone is praising Lance for (under center play-action boot plays) is one of the EASIEST things mentally that a QB can run. Sitting in the pocket going through progressions is way harder, and Lance tended to not have to do that very much. His athletic advantage over the lesser competition, and the fact that his team was so much better than the competition, allowed him to often short circuit the in pocket processing game and just take off. Fields couldn't get away with it as much, and it's why he's more advanced at going through progressions and finding the checkdown.

Originally posted by BMoore56:
So Mac Jones is the only one who hasn't impressed during his pro day? Yes 49ers should draft him

Are you being serious?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I wouldn't say smarter or better leader. I also think Lance has a quicker release.

I have fields as my QB2 and I hope he's the pick, I wouldn't hate Lance though...there's a lot to like. He's just scratching the surface, where he goes will be big for his future.

I think Fields is the best leader among QBs in the draft.

There is a lot to like about Lance and if Fields is gone he is my next choice. I think it risking a lot to draft Lance over Fields. It could work but the body of work is just not there to take that chance imo.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Sorry, man - I'm a Lance man.

Your choice is your choice...just stick with it lol.

Also almost everything that dude said is wrong...so agreeing with him means you may want to go back and check the film.

What did he say that was wrong? I thought he was spot on.

Didn't I say everything?

Lance has a better arm? Debatable
Lance is the better runner? He ran more and got more yards vs much weaker competition. That's not a plus for him. We have no idea who is a better runner because Fields tends to try and throw the ball before running, a very positive trait to have entering the NFL. Not to mention Lance was more physical as a runner than elusive. Not a good trend when going into the NFL from FCS.
Lance better processor/decision maker? Who made that analysis?

And the finish of saying Fields is more accurate on intermediate stuff...you mean across the board?

Lance was close in accuracy to Fields but only 10 yards or less. 11-19 he was nearly 20% worse. 20+ close to 30% worse.

I like Lance but when you stop back and really look at the two guys there really isn't anything Lance does better than Fields that you can legitimately grade as such.

Him running a pro style offense doesn't somehow make him a better prospect than Fields with everything else involved. It doesn't mean he can't end up being a better NFL pro but to ME, it's a gamble I'm not making if Fields is there.

Fields to me is the best mix of elite traits, great performance and consistency. High ceiling and high floor. If the team is happy with his off the field stuff(which by the info I'm privy to, which is the public stuff) they should run to the podium to take him. We'll see what happens soon.