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Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by Ark49er:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
It took Allen 3 years to improve his accuracy those other examples are around there as well. The problem is we are in our super Bowl window now, we don't have 3-4 years to wait for his accuracy to improve especially when we can can draft a more accurate QB instead of him. Not to mention, the rookie wage scale makes teams feel they have to move on form QBs like Darnold and Tannehil and Winston and Mariota before then because they have to decide whether or not to pay them at that point. Or you end up paying them too early like Goff and Wentz.

Like I said in previous posts, if Justin Fields wasn't available, you roll the dice on Lance and pray that he improves his accuracy to be as accurate as Feilds already is. If Fields is availible, I don't see why you you pass on him. Its like having a 5 stroke lead on the 18th hole and pulling out your driver to go for the hole in one. Just put it safely down the fairway and take the cash!

This is the best post in the whole Trey Lance thread. If Fields isn't available then do like you said and roll the dice with Lance. Hope that he improves his accuracy like Josh Allen but quicker. He will have to be ready after a year not 3.. Of course Allen is one of the rarest inaccurate QBs to come into the league and improve his accuracy. Lance definitely has the odds against him, but if the 49ers pick him, we have to hope he came over come the odds.

I will take him over Matt Jones lol

Honestly the Lance over Fields stuff reminds me of this family guy scene.



Replace Boat with Justin Fields. And box with Trey Lance.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by mayo49:
What did he say that was wrong? I thought he was spot on.

Mayo, pick a QB and stick with them. You seem to be going for Lance now so if I see you change your mind yet again between now and the draft I'm changing your username to Ambivalent49.

I already told you I'm Lance man - unless, it's Fields, jk. I'm sticking with Lance.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Apr 19, 2021 at 6:54 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Jikkle49:
I thought Lance's deep balls were fine. They were perfectly catchable and were pretty much inline with what you'd see out of other top deep throwers in the league.

Just pull up highlights of Mahomes and most of his deep throws aren't dimes dropped perfectly in the receivers hands where they don't have to break stride. Most of them the receiver had to make some adjustment to come down with the ball and those are guys he's had tons of reps with in practice.

What's going to separate Fields and Lance with Shanahan is the football IQ aspect and how big the gap is between the two. You'd give the nod Lance in that regard at this moment of time but it's possible Fields can be at Lance's level or close to it as well. It's simply something we can't know unless you spend time with each one of them and talk football with them to see how they do in that regard.

No, no I wouldn't. There's zero actual real evidence to support that assertion beyond some random QB coach who is cashing checks from Lance talking him up like you'd expect anyone to talk up the guy paying his bills.

That interview was very biased and you have to be careful. Fields is just as good and maybe further along right now. Lance has amazing upside but I think he is more of the projection. Could he hit big if he turns out? Yes I think so. But he also has some bust potential. It's a big step up for him and he has more growth to do than the more ready Fields for right now. Sometimes you can over read these things and get too enamored with "potential" and "upside." The guy who can do it right now is Fields. Can Lance be great? Yes I think he can. But he can bust too.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by mayo49:
What did he say that was wrong? I thought he was spot on.

Mayo, pick a QB and stick with them. You seem to be going for Lance now so if I see you change your mind yet again between now and the draft I'm changing your username to Ambivalent49.

I already told you I'm Lance man - unless, it's Fields, jk. I'm sticking with Lance.

Lance all the way baby!!
Watched a little bit of Trey and have a couple of thoughts.

It's really close between him and Fields for me.
I really don't like Fields release and Lance has a very nice release and looks silky smooth throwing.
Lance also looks like he has a stronger arm on medium throws but yet fields actually looks like he can throw it further then lance. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense but just what I have seen in pro days and game clips on YouTube.
Fields definitely has the accuracy and moves in the pocket well for being such a mobile guy. Lance is tough as hell to bring down but how does that translate to the NFL?
Both players seem to be smart and have a good head on their shoulders.
I don't like how much of an unknown Lance is. I forgot what game I watched on YouTube(James Madison?) but he ran a ton. Seemed like 3 runs for every pass. It's hard to get a sense for him sometimes when he throws so little and teams are trying to stop his running so much.
Lance's size is a big plus. Seems like Big Ben or Cam trying to take down. Fields, although isn't listed small, doesn't seem big out there.

Heck of a decision to make and like many others on here, at this point I think I just don't want Mac Jones. Mac is a decent prospect and might be a solid player but is really lacking in anything special. Plus his build is just awful. His legs look like twigs that will break in the nfl....
Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Watched a little bit of Trey and have a couple of thoughts.

It's really close between him and Fields for me.
I really don't like Fields release and Lance has a very nice release and looks silky smooth throwing.
Lance also looks like he has a stronger arm on medium throws but yet fields actually looks like he can throw it further then lance. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense but just what I have seen in pro days and game clips on YouTube.
Fields definitely has the accuracy and moves in the pocket well for being such a mobile guy. Lance is tough as hell to bring down but how does that translate to the NFL?
Both players seem to be smart and have a good head on their shoulders.
I don't like how much of an unknown Lance is. I forgot what game I watched on YouTube(James Madison?) but he ran a ton. Seemed like 3 runs for every pass. It's hard to get a sense for him sometimes when he throws so little and teams are trying to stop his running so much.
Lance's size is a big plus. Seems like Big Ben or Cam trying to take down. Fields, although isn't listed small, doesn't seem big out there.

Heck of a decision to make and like many others on here, at this point I think I just don't want Mac Jones. Mac is a decent prospect and might be a solid player but is really lacking in anything special. Plus his build is just awful. His legs look like twigs that will break in the nfl....

Yet he can lung 405 lbs. on 1 leg in the weight room. It's on film. It's incredible.
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Trey Lance is going to be a 9er.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by roasthawg:
Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Sorry, man - I'm a Lance man.

Your choice is your choice...just stick with it lol.

Also almost everything that dude said is wrong...so agreeing with him means you may want to go back and check the film.

Would love to hear what I'm wrong on? I've watched all the YouTube breakdowns by guys like JTO, Simms, Warner,.etc. It's pretty obvious the issue with Fields is processing and decision making. Whether it's a wide open receiver he doesn't see or a bad decision under pressure that's his biggest weakness and why he's gonna be the 4th qb off the board at best. Outside of arm talent, processing and decision making is the most important skill nfl teams are looking for. Lance has that, he rarely misses a read or makes a terrible decision.

As a runner Lance is also better. 1100 yards and 6.5 a pop as a nineteen year old. 140 in his only game this year. He's not elite but he's really good and natural with the ball in his hands.

Fields is great at the ten to twenty yard stuff. That's the one clear advantage he has on Lance. And that's it. Throw in all the pro style stuff Lance has done that Fields hasn't and this is the reason Lombardi says niners aren't even considering Fields.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by 4ML:

Some more throws from proday2.

That's an elite elite elite arm.

Elite arm with non of awkwardness that you get with Fields mechanics.

Definitely has better mechanics than Fields.

But worse accuracy. I'd still rather have Fields.

Lance has never had as bad a game with accuracy as Fields did this season against Northwestern.

Northwestern has a CB that could go 1st round in this draft and a S that could go in the 1st next year.

But yeah, I'm sure the Illinois State Redbirds had some studs too, when they held him to 47% completion and zero TDs.
Originally posted by roasthawg:
Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

One thing that Justin has, is fearlessness. Trey might have that too, but it remains to be seen. He has always been the big fish in a little pond. We have no idea how he will respond to life in the NFL and life in California. We don't even know how he would respond to being down a couple scores because it has never happened.

One thing that disappointed me, is he didn't run his 40 at the pro day. Even if I knew the other guy was faster than me, I would still want to leave everything I had on the field. I could be nitpicking, but that's a red flag to me.
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Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by roasthawg:
Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

One thing that Justin has, is fearlessness. Trey might have that too, but it remains to be seen. He has always been the big fish in a little pond. We have no idea how he will respond to life in the NFL and life in California. We don't even know how he would respond to being down a couple scores because it has never happened.

One thing that disappointed me, is he didn't run his 40 at the pro day. Even if I knew the other guy was faster than me, I would still want to leave everything I had on the field. I could be nitpicking, but that's a red flag to me.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/trey-lance-40-yard-dash-pro-day/apq8te72kumr15kvotxfb3ljr

" Speaking with NFL Network's Mike Garafolo about why he's not running a 40, Lance told a story about a run he had in college. It was a 44-yard scramble into the endzone in the FCS National Championship against James Madison. Lance said he was wearing a GPS tracker, and it clocked him running at 21.54 mph on that run.

Next Gen Stats says that run would've ranked 12th among all ball carries, and first among quarterbacks last season.

"I really like the GPS. I think it makes sense," Lance said to NFL Network. "I'm not the person who makes the ultimate decisions, but it makes sense to have guys' real speed instead of a 40. I know the 40 has been part of the combine and draft process for as long as anybody can remember, so I understand that as well. But (the GPS) tells a lot for sure."
[ Edited by jcs on Apr 19, 2021 at 7:42 PM ]
Originally posted by roasthawg:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by roasthawg:
Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Sorry, man - I'm a Lance man.

Your choice is your choice...just stick with it lol.

Also almost everything that dude said is wrong...so agreeing with him means you may want to go back and check the film.

Would love to hear what I'm wrong on? I've watched all the YouTube breakdowns by guys like JTO, Simms, Warner,.etc. It's pretty obvious the issue with Fields is processing and decision making. Whether it's a wide open receiver he doesn't see or a bad decision under pressure that's his biggest weakness and why he's gonna be the 4th qb off the board at best. Outside of arm talent, processing and decision making is the most important skill nfl teams are looking for. Lance has that, he rarely misses a read or makes a terrible decision.

As a runner Lance is also better. 1100 yards and 6.5 a pop as a nineteen year old. 140 in his only game this year. He's not elite but he's really good and natural with the ball in his hands.

Fields is great at the ten to twenty yard stuff. That's the one clear advantage he has on Lance. And that's it. Throw in all the pro style stuff Lance has done that Fields hasn't and this is the reason Lombardi says niners aren't even considering Fields.

OSU runs a different offense than some other schools. Fields has gone through his progressions like a champ enough times where I have no major concerns about him being able to do it consistently.

You're also pumping up Lance in a huge way when he's got plenty of bad tape in terms of wrong decisions. His decisions just don't result in turnovers as much or end up as run plays. Things that become harder to do when facing tougher competition.

Fields playing hero ball doesn't bother me. It's an easy thing to fix. When Fields made mistakes he fixed them moving forward. Most of his bad decisions were trying to make plays when they weren't there to be made. Coachable. Blitz pickup....also coachable. I also think a lot of those issues were related to their lack of practice due to covid. Once again Lance gets the benefit of the doubt here because he only played one game then started draft prep...and yet when people bring up that one game which wasn't exactly great as a passer you hear "well it was just one game and he was pressing"

So Fields plays hero ball in a shortened season knowing they have to play their best vs any team to make the playoffs and he's a bad decision maker...but Lance is all good?

Compare their deep passing accuracy. Fields blows Lance away...and that's Fields' bad season vs Lance's great season too.

So basically you made some assumptions with no proof behind them and then finished your post off ignoring the most critical part of what makes Fields better, ironic considering you claim Lance has the better arm.
I think it's squarely between Fields and Lance. Not really buying the Mac Jones hype. I think he could've been had for far less draft capital on draft day.

I'd give the edge to Fields, but Lance is solid in his own right. Statistically, he outperformed Wentz at ND. Plus, he's a better runner than Wentz. Most importantly, he's built thick and should be able to hold up well in the NFL. The other guys aren't small, but Fields is a little thinner and Jones looks really soft.

Is the Draft here yet?
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by roasthawg:
Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

One thing that Justin has, is fearlessness. Trey might have that too, but it remains to be seen. He has always been the big fish in a little pond. We have no idea how he will respond to life in the NFL and life in California. We don't even know how he would respond to being down a couple scores because it has never happened.

One thing that disappointed me, is he didn't run his 40 at the pro day. Even if I knew the other guy was faster than me, I would still want to leave everything I had on the field. I could be nitpicking, but that's a red flag to me.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/trey-lance-40-yard-dash-pro-day/apq8te72kumr15kvotxfb3ljr

" Speaking with NFL Network's Mike Garafolo about why he's not running a 40, Lance told a story about a run he had in college. It was a 44-yard scramble into the endzone in the FCS National Championship against James Madison. Lance said he was wearing a GPS tracker, and it clocked him running at 21.54 mph on that run.

Next Gen Stats says that run would've ranked 12th among all ball carries, and first among quarterbacks last season.

"I really like the GPS. I think it makes sense," Lance said to NFL Network. "I'm not the person who makes the ultimate decisions, but it makes sense to have guys' real speed instead of a 40. I know the 40 has been part of the combine and draft process for as long as anybody can remember, so I understand that as well. But (the GPS) tells a lot for sure."

He can spin it any way he wants too. It may not matter to some, but others could interpret it as backing down. If we draft him, I hope I am wrong.
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