Trey Lance QB NDSU

Come on, ShanaLynch - it's got to be Lance. 10 days until Lance is a 49er, can't wait.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Come on, ShanaLynch it's got to be Lance. 10 days until Lance is a 49er.

It's going down!

I'm a fields guy, but I won't be mad if we draft lance. His potential is huuuge

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Come on, ShanaLynch it's got to be Lance. 10 days until Lance is a 49er.

It's going down!

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
He can spin it any way he wants too. It may not matter to some, but others could interpret it as backing down. If we draft him, I hope I am wrong.

I think it's smart, you can see how much effort he is putting into his throwing motion and footwork, why mess around training for the 40?

Especially when the data is out there.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

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Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Sorry, man - I'm a Lance man.

Your choice is your choice...just stick with it lol.

Also almost everything that dude said is wrong...so agreeing with him means you may want to go back and check the film.

What did he say that was wrong? I thought he was spot on.

Didn't I say everything?

Lance has a better arm? Debatable
Lance is the better runner? He ran more and got more yards vs much weaker competition. That's not a plus for him. We have no idea who is a better runner because Fields tends to try and throw the ball before running, a very positive trait to have entering the NFL. Not to mention Lance was more physical as a runner than elusive. Not a good trend when going into the NFL from FCS.
Lance better processor/decision maker? Who made that analysis?

And the finish of saying Fields is more accurate on intermediate stuff...you mean across the board?

Lance was close in accuracy to Fields but only 10 yards or less. 11-19 he was nearly 20% worse. 20+ close to 30% worse.

I like Lance but when you stop back and really look at the two guys there really isn't anything Lance does better than Fields that you can legitimately grade as such.

Him running a pro style offense doesn't somehow make him a better prospect than Fields with everything else involved. It doesn't mean he can't end up being a better NFL pro but to ME, it's a gamble I'm not making if Fields is there.

Fields to me is the best mix of elite traits, great performance and consistency. High ceiling and high floor. If the team is happy with his off the field stuff(which by the info I'm privy to, which is the public stuff) they should run to the podium to take him. We'll see what happens soon.

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Originally posted by jcs:

Josh Allen 🤝 Trey Lance pic.twitter.com/yWr70ihcgH

— Buffalo Fanatics (@BfloFanatics) April 13, 2021

I have a preference between Fields and Lance, but I don't have a serious objection to either. They both have the skillset to be transcendent to this offense if they are able to develop to a certain point as QBs. I do believe that Fields holds the advantage of being much closer to that point already, but that doesn't mean that Lance can't end up as the better player of the two even with further to go in his development.

There's downside risk to Lance because he may never develop to the point that he's better than Fields and because of that Fields it more likely to develop to the point of what we need. The questions you have to ask is how much better do you project Lance of being than Fields. If it's not significant I don't see why you take the additional risk.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
I have a preference between Fields and Lance, but I don't have a serious objection to either. They both have the skillset to be transcendent to this offense if they are able to develop to a certain point as QBs. I do believe that Fields holds the advantage of being much closer to that point already, but that doesn't mean that Lance can't end up as the better player of the two even with further to go in his development.

There's downside risk to Lance because he may never develop to the point that he's better than Fields and because of that Fields it more likely to develop to the point of what we need. The questions you have to ask is how much better do you project Lance of being than Fields. If it's not significant I don't see why you take the additional risk.

Totally agree and I'm on that mindset also with Fields is much closer to being a finished product compare to Lance. Young man has played in big games and faced tough competitions. Add that our team is already to win now, I can see him contribute in case something happens to Jimmy G. But, I'm good with Lance if he's the pick in the end.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Sorry, man - I'm a Lance man.

Your choice is your choice...just stick with it lol.

Also almost everything that dude said is wrong...so agreeing with him means you may want to go back and check the film.

Would love to hear what I'm wrong on? I've watched all the YouTube breakdowns by guys like JTO, Simms, Warner,.etc. It's pretty obvious the issue with Fields is processing and decision making. Whether it's a wide open receiver he doesn't see or a bad decision under pressure that's his biggest weakness and why he's gonna be the 4th qb off the board at best. Outside of arm talent, processing and decision making is the most important skill nfl teams are looking for. Lance has that, he rarely misses a read or makes a terrible decision.

As a runner Lance is also better. 1100 yards and 6.5 a pop as a nineteen year old. 140 in his only game this year. He's not elite but he's really good and natural with the ball in his hands.

Fields is great at the ten to twenty yard stuff. That's the one clear advantage he has on Lance. And that's it. Throw in all the pro style stuff Lance has done that Fields hasn't and this is the reason Lombardi says niners aren't even considering Fields.

OSU runs a different offense than some other schools. Fields has gone through his progressions like a champ enough times where I have no major concerns about him being able to do it consistently.

You're also pumping up Lance in a huge way when he's got plenty of bad tape in terms of wrong decisions. His decisions just don't result in turnovers as much or end up as run plays. Things that become harder to do when facing tougher competition.

Fields playing hero ball doesn't bother me. It's an easy thing to fix. When Fields made mistakes he fixed them moving forward. Most of his bad decisions were trying to make plays when they weren't there to be made. Coachable. Blitz pickup....also coachable. I also think a lot of those issues were related to their lack of practice due to covid. Once again Lance gets the benefit of the doubt here because he only played one game then started draft prep...and yet when people bring up that one game which wasn't exactly great as a passer you hear "well it was just one game and he was pressing"

So Fields plays hero ball in a shortened season knowing they have to play their best vs any team to make the playoffs and he's a bad decision maker...but Lance is all good?

Compare their deep passing accuracy. Fields blows Lance away...and that's Fields' bad season vs Lance's great season too.

So basically you made some assumptions with no proof behind them and then finished your post off ignoring the most critical part of what makes Fields better, ironic considering you claim Lance has the better arm.

I don't see what proof you're offering up either? I mean proof would have to be both of us pouring over coaches film and dissecting plays together and arguing it out. Since that's not gonna happen the next next thing would be to post a couple of YouTube breakdowns by respected ex nfl qbs like JTO, simms, Warner, etc. Or opinions of plugged in nfl reporters. We've both seen all those as well. So basically we're left with opinions at this point... Unless you wanna try to use stats and argue over those but that's such a futile exercise as college stats are near worthless when it comes to predicting nfl success. I'm a firm believer that Lance is the better prospect and as such he's gonna be the pick at three. I don't think it's all that close to where it's a discussion within sf headquarters. Imo Lance is the guy they see who can do it all (almost). We'll know in a week... At least I will as I value the teams opinion way more than my own. Meaning if they take Fields I'll admit I was dead wrong and I'll be excited. But I don't think so. Trey seems like a perfect fit. Fields would have Kyle wanting to bench him at least once a half with his decision making.

All this talent with Lance and Fields and we are going to end up with Jones

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by genus49:
Oh weird no mention of his WRs having to wait for his passes? Shocking.

Even though it did happen. What I noticed was Justin fields is clearly a better athlete. More accurate and can throw better on the move. When tray Lance attempted to run to the left and throw the Off platform throw that Zach Wilson and Justin fields dead. It only went about 55 yards in the receiver had to slow down to catch it. Fields through at 65 And cut the receiver in stride

I mean I don't have an issue with Lance on those throws because those aren't his WRs so timing would be an issue. I just find it funny that jcs was looking for any way to knock Fields for his pro day throws even though he was lighting it up and yet Lance was apparently so smooth...

If you can't keep the same energy then save it(that's not directed to you obviously)

Look lance didn't have a bad pro day I'm not trying to say he did. But Fields pro day looks a lot better.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
He can spin it any way he wants too. It may not matter to some, but others could interpret it as backing down. If we draft him, I hope I am wrong.

I think it's smart, you can see how much effort he is putting into his throwing motion and footwork, why mess around training for the 40?

Especially when the data is out there.

It was definitely a business decision. It would have been "smart" to sit out the rest of the Clemson game and the Alabama game to not risk getting hurt before the draft as well.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
All this talent with Lance and Fields and we are going to end up with Jones

Think positive, ninersrule4 and it will happen.

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Sorry, man - I'm a Lance man.

Your choice is your choice...just stick with it lol.

Also almost everything that dude said is wrong...so agreeing with him means you may want to go back and check the film.

Would love to hear what I'm wrong on? I've watched all the YouTube breakdowns by guys like JTO, Simms, Warner,.etc. It's pretty obvious the issue with Fields is processing and decision making. Whether it's a wide open receiver he doesn't see or a bad decision under pressure that's his biggest weakness and why he's gonna be the 4th qb off the board at best. Outside of arm talent, processing and decision making is the most important skill nfl teams are looking for. Lance has that, he rarely misses a read or makes a terrible decision.

As a runner Lance is also better. 1100 yards and 6.5 a pop as a nineteen year old. 140 in his only game this year. He's not elite but he's really good and natural with the ball in his hands.

Fields is great at the ten to twenty yard stuff. That's the one clear advantage he has on Lance. And that's it. Throw in all the pro style stuff Lance has done that Fields hasn't and this is the reason Lombardi says niners aren't even considering Fields.

OSU runs a different offense than some other schools. Fields has gone through his progressions like a champ enough times where I have no major concerns about him being able to do it consistently.

You're also pumping up Lance in a huge way when he's got plenty of bad tape in terms of wrong decisions. His decisions just don't result in turnovers as much or end up as run plays. Things that become harder to do when facing tougher competition.

Fields playing hero ball doesn't bother me. It's an easy thing to fix. When Fields made mistakes he fixed them moving forward. Most of his bad decisions were trying to make plays when they weren't there to be made. Coachable. Blitz pickup....also coachable. I also think a lot of those issues were related to their lack of practice due to covid. Once again Lance gets the benefit of the doubt here because he only played one game then started draft prep...and yet when people bring up that one game which wasn't exactly great as a passer you hear "well it was just one game and he was pressing"

So Fields plays hero ball in a shortened season knowing they have to play their best vs any team to make the playoffs and he's a bad decision maker...but Lance is all good?

Compare their deep passing accuracy. Fields blows Lance away...and that's Fields' bad season vs Lance's great season too.

So basically you made some assumptions with no proof behind them and then finished your post off ignoring the most critical part of what makes Fields better, ironic considering you claim Lance has the better arm.

I don't see what proof you're offering up either? I mean proof would have to be both of us pouring over coaches film and dissecting plays together and arguing it out. Since that's not gonna happen the next next thing would be to post a couple of YouTube breakdowns by respected ex nfl qbs like JTO, simms, Warner, etc. Or opinions of plugged in nfl reporters. We've both seen all those as well. So basically we're left with opinions at this point... Unless you wanna try to use stats and argue over those but that's such a futile exercise as college stats are near worthless when it comes to predicting nfl success. I'm a firm believer that Lance is the better prospect and as such he's gonna be the pick at three. I don't think it's all that close to where it's a discussion within sf headquarters. Imo Lance is the guy they see who can do it all (almost). We'll know in a week... At least I will as I value the teams opinion way more than my own. Meaning if they take Fields I'll admit I was dead wrong and I'll be excited. But I don't think so. Trey seems like a perfect fit. Fields would have Kyle wanting to bench him at least once a half with his decision making.

Yes you're right we could go back-and-forth. If we looked at stats it would benefit fields. The only person that outperform Justin Fields was Mac Jones. That's a fact. The problem we have here is whoever we pick might have to go in year one. And it's very well known that Lance won't be ready and year one. Niners window is now. You can love Lance all you want but according to everybody on the planet he's not ready right now he might not be for 3-4 years. With your proposition if Jimmy gets hurt our season or next two seasons are on Josh Rosen