Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by genus49:
Oh weird no mention of his WRs having to wait for his passes? Shocking.

Even though it did happen. What I noticed was Justin fields is clearly a better athlete. More accurate and can throw better on the move. When tray Lance attempted to run to the left and throw the Off platform throw that Zach Wilson and Justin fields dead. It only went about 55 yards in the receiver had to slow down to catch it. Fields through at 65 And cut the receiver in stride

I mean I don't have an issue with Lance on those throws because those aren't his WRs so timing would be an issue. I just find it funny that jcs was looking for any way to knock Fields for his pro day throws even though he was lighting it up and yet Lance was apparently so smooth...

If you can't keep the same energy then save it(that's not directed to you obviously)

Look lance didn't have a bad pro day I'm not trying to say he did. But Fields pro day looks a lot better.

It did seem like Lance didn't have as much urgency. Even Middlekauf pointed out how he wasn't trying to sell the play action, and his spinning out of the pass rush didn't seem like he was trying to replicate how he would do it in the game.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by genus49:

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Originally posted by mayo49:

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Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by fan49:
Help me out here guys please explain it to me. Justin fields more accurate has a better arm is clearly a better athlete And he's faster. Neither one can be called a better decision maker. They're both supposedly really smart. So why would tray Lance be the better fit or the better pic?

Lance has the better arm, Lance is the better runner, and Lance also is a much better processor/decision maker. Add to that the fact that Lance has experience under center and in a huddle and these guys are nothing alike save they both run 4.5's as a qb.

Fields is more accurate on the intermediate stuff, that's his one and only advantage over Trey.

Good summary, roast - I totally agree.

Not a good look mayo...too much cream in your pants getting up into your eyes?

Sorry, man - I'm a Lance man.

Your choice is your choice...just stick with it lol.

Also almost everything that dude said is wrong...so agreeing with him means you may want to go back and check the film.

Would love to hear what I'm wrong on? I've watched all the YouTube breakdowns by guys like JTO, Simms, Warner,.etc. It's pretty obvious the issue with Fields is processing and decision making. Whether it's a wide open receiver he doesn't see or a bad decision under pressure that's his biggest weakness and why he's gonna be the 4th qb off the board at best. Outside of arm talent, processing and decision making is the most important skill nfl teams are looking for. Lance has that, he rarely misses a read or makes a terrible decision.

As a runner Lance is also better. 1100 yards and 6.5 a pop as a nineteen year old. 140 in his only game this year. He's not elite but he's really good and natural with the ball in his hands.

Fields is great at the ten to twenty yard stuff. That's the one clear advantage he has on Lance. And that's it. Throw in all the pro style stuff Lance has done that Fields hasn't and this is the reason Lombardi says niners aren't even considering Fields.

OSU runs a different offense than some other schools. Fields has gone through his progressions like a champ enough times where I have no major concerns about him being able to do it consistently.

You're also pumping up Lance in a huge way when he's got plenty of bad tape in terms of wrong decisions. His decisions just don't result in turnovers as much or end up as run plays. Things that become harder to do when facing tougher competition.

Fields playing hero ball doesn't bother me. It's an easy thing to fix. When Fields made mistakes he fixed them moving forward. Most of his bad decisions were trying to make plays when they weren't there to be made. Coachable. Blitz pickup....also coachable. I also think a lot of those issues were related to their lack of practice due to covid. Once again Lance gets the benefit of the doubt here because he only played one game then started draft prep...and yet when people bring up that one game which wasn't exactly great as a passer you hear "well it was just one game and he was pressing"

So Fields plays hero ball in a shortened season knowing they have to play their best vs any team to make the playoffs and he's a bad decision maker...but Lance is all good?

Compare their deep passing accuracy. Fields blows Lance away...and that's Fields' bad season vs Lance's great season too.

So basically you made some assumptions with no proof behind them and then finished your post off ignoring the most critical part of what makes Fields better, ironic considering you claim Lance has the better arm.

I don't see what proof you're offering up either? I mean proof would have to be both of us pouring over coaches film and dissecting plays together and arguing it out. Since that's not gonna happen the next next thing would be to post a couple of YouTube breakdowns by respected ex nfl qbs like JTO, simms, Warner, etc. Or opinions of plugged in nfl reporters. We've both seen all those as well. So basically we're left with opinions at this point... Unless you wanna try to use stats and argue over those but that's such a futile exercise as college stats are near worthless when it comes to predicting nfl success. I'm a firm believer that Lance is the better prospect and as such he's gonna be the pick at three. I don't think it's all that close to where it's a discussion within sf headquarters. Imo Lance is the guy they see who can do it all (almost). We'll know in a week... At least I will as I value the teams opinion way more than my own. Meaning if they take Fields I'll admit I was dead wrong and I'll be excited. But I don't think so. Trey seems like a perfect fit. Fields would have Kyle wanting to bench him at least once a half with his decision making.

Yes you're right we could go back-and-forth. If we looked at stats it would benefit fields. The only person that outperform Justin Fields was Mac Jones. That's a fact. The problem we have here is whoever we pick might have to go in year one. And it's very well known that Lance won't be ready and year one. Niners window is now. You can love Lance all you want but according to everybody on the planet he's not ready right now he might not be for 3-4 years. With your proposition if Jimmy gets hurt our season or next two seasons are on Josh Rosen

Neither Fields, Lance, nor Mac is gonna win a super bowl year one. I think the closest any rookie has ever come was big Ben maybe? But year two guys have a recent track record of crazy success. Lamar and mahomes won mvps. Wentz almost did as well. I think Lance could play alright a la Carson Wentz year one but ideally Jimmy is gonna play this season regardless of who we draft. We don't need the cap space this season anyways. Next year is when we'll move him and use that money.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
It did seem like Lance didn't have as much urgency. Even Middlekauf pointed out how he wasn't trying to sell the play action, and his spinning out of the pass rush didn't seem like he was trying to replicate how he would do it in the game.

I was a bit surprised when I saw that, but we're probably just overanalyzing a guy working PA on air. He was really good about selling his PAs on tape.

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Neither Fields, Lance, nor Mac is gonna win a super bowl year one. I think the closest any rookie has ever come was big Ben maybe? But year two guys have a recent track record of crazy success. Lamar and mahomes won mvps. Wentz almost did as well. I think Lance could play alright a la Carson Wentz year one but ideally Jimmy is gonna play this season regardless of who we draft. We don't need the cap space this season anyways. Next year is when we'll move him and use that money.

Russell Wilson balled his rookie year, won a playoff game, then almost led his team into an NFC title game that would have been played at the Stick. Of course he played in about 50 college games, but it's not impossible if you're surrounded by talent.

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Neither Fields, Lance, nor Mac is gonna win a super bowl year one. I think the closest any rookie has ever come was big Ben maybe? But year two guys have a recent track record of crazy success. Lamar and mahomes won mvps. Wentz almost did as well. I think Lance could play alright a la Carson Wentz year one but ideally Jimmy is gonna play this season regardless of who we draft. We don't need the cap space this season anyways. Next year is when we'll move him and use that money.

You're right but that wasn't my point. My point was is according to Jimmy's history he's going to get hurt. Lance is not gonna walk in and be able to perform in the NFL. Unless we go against every so-called expert on the planet. I'm not saying that Zack Wilson Mac Jones or Justin fields are gonna win you're well. But it's been known that Justin fields was Going to be ready before Lance

Andrew luck took over a 2-14 team and went 11-5

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Neither Fields, Lance, nor Mac is gonna win a super bowl year one. I think the closest any rookie has ever come was big Ben maybe? But year two guys have a recent track record of crazy success. Lamar and mahomes won mvps. Wentz almost did as well. I think Lance could play alright a la Carson Wentz year one but ideally Jimmy is gonna play this season regardless of who we draft. We don't need the cap space this season anyways. Next year is when we'll move him and use that money.

You're right but that wasn't my point. My point was is according to Jimmy's history he's going to get hurt. Lance is not gonna walk in and be able to perform in the NFL. Unless we go against every so-called expert on the planet. I'm not saying that Zack Wilson Mac Jones or Justin fields are gonna win you're well. But it's been known that Justin fields was Going to be ready before Lance

I'm not sure it's right.

Has a rookie ever started in a super bowl? Nope. But that certainly doesn't mean it's impossible.

The truth is the n for starting Super Bowl QBs is very low and for winners is even lower. It's not enough to say who could win a SB or not in a given year. Very few rookies start for teams that are capable of making it to the playoffs, much less the Super Bowl. That's the main reason why rookies haven't started SBs.

A rookie starting for a team with an elite defense and outstanding running game would have a fair shot at winning the SB, especially if that QB could make things happen with their arm and their legs.

Originally posted by roasthawg:
I don't see what proof you're offering up either? I mean proof would have to be both of us pouring over coaches film and dissecting plays together and arguing it out. Since that's not gonna happen the next next thing would be to post a couple of YouTube breakdowns by respected ex nfl qbs like JTO, simms, Warner, etc. Or opinions of plugged in nfl reporters. We've both seen all those as well. So basically we're left with opinions at this point... Unless you wanna try to use stats and argue over those but that's such a futile exercise as college stats are near worthless when it comes to predicting nfl success. I'm a firm believer that Lance is the better prospect and as such he's gonna be the pick at three. I don't think it's all that close to where it's a discussion within sf headquarters. Imo Lance is the guy they see who can do it all (almost). We'll know in a week... At least I will as I value the teams opinion way more than my own. Meaning if they take Fields I'll admit I was dead wrong and I'll be excited. But I don't think so. Trey seems like a perfect fit. Fields would have Kyle wanting to bench him at least once a half with his decision making.

Fields has more playing time and experience but he's really behind Lance in terms of NFL preparations. One article regarding Lance's passion for the game it it was mentioned he was studying NFL defenses at night during his redshirt season before even looking at his college homework. Lance may still need some time in terms of knowing the nuances and intricacies of being an NFL quarterback but his development had been accelerated by his exposure to some coaches whose business is to prepare college QBs to the NFL draft and subsequently being a pro athlete.

Lance should have been more proactive like Fields as far as getting involved with people who could help him develop his QB skills when he was still in high school. He should have been one of the QBs present one summer when Kyle was giving some lessons in the past. When compared to the length of time Fields had been honing his skills and the short period of time Lance was developing his skills, Lance acquired a lot more tangible training and experience in preparing himself to the NFL's style of QB play.

The facts are out, guys and gals that Lance is a quick study, partly because he may be showing some level of obsession to become great! Lance is essentially trying to prepare himself to a certain level of QB skills required to play in the NFL this past year. With his work ethic, high football IQ, and traits that shows he's a gamer should enable him to play much sooner which will finally open the eyes of the skeptics and come along for the ride!

Originally posted by fan49:
You're right but that wasn't my point. My point was is according to Jimmy's history he's going to get hurt. Lance is not gonna walk in and be able to perform in the NFL. Unless we go against every so-called expert on the planet. I'm not saying that Zack Wilson Mac Jones or Justin fields are gonna win you're well. But it's been known that Justin fields was Going to be ready before Lance

I respectfully disagree, at this point in time the learning curve to be an NFL QB maybe much steeper, unless Fields have been studying NFL defenses the past several years as Lance.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
He can spin it any way he wants too. It may not matter to some, but others could interpret it as backing down. If we draft him, I hope I am wrong.

I think it's smart, you can see how much effort he is putting into his throwing motion and footwork, why mess around training for the 40?

Especially when the data is out there.

IMO Fields didn't need to run a 40 nor does Lance. Or at least if I was evaluating them as a GM I wouldn't care about there time. The tape tells me they have speed, the exact number really does not matter for them as QBs. Would actually prefer guys train on everything else but I don't hold it against Fields to showcase just how fast he is.

Serious question: Do we think Shanny and Lynch had a specific target in mind when they traded up to 3? If so, do we really think that target was Lance? If not, has he done enough to set himself apart from Fields? This one feels a little far fetched to me for some reason.

Originally posted by MeddlingKids:
Serious question: Do we think Shanny and Lynch had a specific target in mind when they traded up to 3? If so, do we really think that target was Lance? If not, has he done enough to set himself apart from Fields? This one feels a little far fetched to me for some reason.

I believe what they said in the press conference. Which is they have 3 guys the like. Now which 3 guys those are is the question. I assume t-law is one of them. What side of that I have know idea and neither does anyone out side of John Kyle and jed. Hell t-law might not be 1 on there board.

For fun let us say it is t-law, fields and Lance. If that is the case then they could have be really close when they moved up. They might have figured that the jets would choose between the 2 and then they were happy with who ever. Once the trade was made, which was before Zach's pro day, they found out the jets were leaning that way now they need to figure which one they like better to be the guy for a long term.

I hope we find out post draft but my guess is we well get something like "this is the guy we had number 1 on our board anyway". Or at least that is what I would say publicly.

Originally posted by 49ersam-II:

Originally posted by fan49:
You're right but that wasn't my point. My point was is according to Jimmy's history he's going to get hurt. Lance is not gonna walk in and be able to perform in the NFL. Unless we go against every so-called expert on the planet. I'm not saying that Zack Wilson Mac Jones or Justin fields are gonna win you're well. But it's been known that Justin fields was Going to be ready before Lance

I respectfully disagree, at this point in time the learning curve to be an NFL QB maybe much steeper, unless Fields have been studying NFL defenses the past several years as Lance.

You think Herbert was studying NFL defenses in college?

Originally posted by MeddlingKids:
Serious question: Do we think Shanny and Lynch had a specific target in mind when they traded up to 3? If so, do we really think that target was Lance? If not, has he done enough to set himself apart from Fields? This one feels a little far fetched to me for some reason.

I think after they poured over the film they felt there was at least 3 guys maybe more they would take so they made the trade. Once you secured the 3rd spot than you can be comfortable in knowing that no matter how your board was arranged you'd get one of the 3 guys so you can really focus your energy in figuring out who those 3 guys are.

I don't think they were locked into anyone but if they were and with what we know now I'm guessing Lance was one of those guys.

There was already some smoke before the trade that the Falcons were really interested in Lance so you had to get to 3 to make sure you could get him.

But mainly I just don't see the Shanahans having Lance work with Beck to learn the drills Shanahan wants to see and obviously get Beck's input on him. Turn his 2nd pro day into a 49ers private workout that other teams could attend. Almost certainly be the ones that brought Jordan Matthews in to throw to. Then your interest to be just superficial seems odd

It's not out of the realm of possibility but that's a lot of effort to create a smokescreen that's complete overkill to keep hiding who you're really interested in.

If you weren't interested in Lance and wanted to keep up a smokescreen just having him setup a 2nd pro day, show up with the big 3, let him do some of your drills, act interested than bounce would've been enough to keep teams guessing.

Ultimately I don't think they locked into guy #3 and probably will this week now that they've seen everything there is to see.

If Lance is the guy 49ers draft, bitter tears shall prevent the bay from a drought this year