Trey Lance QB NDSU

I went back to watch more games of Lance thinking maybe I overlooked something. Nope. Actually came away thinking he sucked even worse. This guy is so overrated. No way is he the pick. It has got to be either Mac or Fields. Lance is a project. Lance had one game where he threw for over 300 yards. 1 out of 17 games he threw for over 300 yards. Do you know how many games he threw for over 200 yards? 4 out of 17 games he threw for over 200 yards. Absolutely Terrible. This all in games where NDSU was the best team playing against garbage teams. People will point to his TD to Int ratio in 2019. But It must have been the luck of the Gods on his side because at times his accuracy was downright terrible. You guys actually want to spend 3 first-round picks, #3 overall on this Kid? It baffles me. It truly does.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I went back to watch more games of Lance thinking maybe I overlooked something. Nope. Actually came away thinking he sucked even worse. This guy is so overrated. No way is he the pick. It has got to be either Mac or Fields. Lance is a project. Lance had one game where he threw for over 300 yards. 1 out of 17 games he threw for over 300 yards. Do you know how many games he threw for over 200 yards? 4 out of 17 games he threw for over 200 yards. Absolutely Terrible. This all in games where NDSU was the best team playing against garbage teams. People will point to his TD to Int ratio in 2019. But It must have been the luck of the Gods on his side because at times his accuracy was downright terrible. You guys actually want to spend 3 first-round picks, #3 overall on this Kid? It baffles me. It truly does.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I went back to watch more games of Lance thinking maybe I overlooked something. Nope. Actually came away thinking he sucked even worse. This guy is so overrated. No way is he the pick. It has got to be either Mac or Fields. Lance is a project. Lance had one game where he threw for over 300 yards. 1 out of 17 games he threw for over 300 yards. Do you know how many games he threw for over 200 yards? 4 out of 17 games he threw for over 200 yards. Absolutely Terrible. This all in games where NDSU was the best team playing against garbage teams. People will point to his TD to Int ratio in 2019. But It must have been the luck of the Gods on his side because at times his accuracy was downright terrible. You guys actually want to spend 3 first-round picks, #3 overall on this Kid? It baffles me. It truly does.

I think you guys are overreacting - Lance is legit even though he hasn't got much playing time on his resume.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I went back to watch more games of Lance thinking maybe I overlooked something. Nope. Actually came away thinking he sucked even worse. This guy is so overrated. No way is he the pick. It has got to be either Mac or Fields. Lance is a project. Lance had one game where he threw for over 300 yards. 1 out of 17 games he threw for over 300 yards. Do you know how many games he threw for over 200 yards? 4 out of 17 games he threw for over 200 yards. Absolutely Terrible. This all in games where NDSU was the best team playing against garbage teams. People will point to his TD to Int ratio in 2019. But It must have been the luck of the Gods on his side because at times his accuracy was downright terrible. You guys actually want to spend 3 first-round picks, #3 overall on this Kid? It baffles me. It truly does.

I think you guys are overreacting - Lance is legit even though he hasn't got much playing time on his resume.

Bloodless' reverse psychology is in full swing!

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I went back to watch more games of Lance thinking maybe I overlooked something. Nope. Actually came away thinking he sucked even worse. This guy is so overrated. No way is he the pick. It has got to be either Mac or Fields. Lance is a project. Lance had one game where he threw for over 300 yards. 1 out of 17 games he threw for over 300 yards. Do you know how many games he threw for over 200 yards? 4 out of 17 games he threw for over 200 yards. Absolutely Terrible. This all in games where NDSU was the best team playing against garbage teams. People will point to his TD to Int ratio in 2019. But It must have been the luck of the Gods on his side because at times his accuracy was downright terrible. You guys actually want to spend 3 first-round picks, #3 overall on this Kid? It baffles me. It truly does.

You went back to watch his games or his box scores? Lol not the same thing.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
He can spin it any way he wants too. It may not matter to some, but others could interpret it as backing down. If we draft him, I hope I am wrong.

I think it's smart, you can see how much effort he is putting into his throwing motion and footwork, why mess around training for the 40?

Especially when the data is out there.

It was definitely a business decision. It would have been "smart" to sit out the rest of the Clemson game and the Alabama game to not risk getting hurt before the draft as well.

He wants to be evaluated as a QB and not an athlete during the draft process. Lamar Jackson didn't run the 40 or do agility drills at the combine for the same reason.

This dude turned down solid D1 offers just for the opportunity to compete at QB at a small school. That's a more telling sign of 'competitive spirit' than whether or not he runs a 40. Let's not allow weird narratives to creep into the eval.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I went back to watch more games of Lance thinking maybe I overlooked something. Nope. Actually came away thinking he sucked even worse. This guy is so overrated. No way is he the pick. It has got to be either Mac or Fields. Lance is a project. Lance had one game where he threw for over 300 yards. 1 out of 17 games he threw for over 300 yards. Do you know how many games he threw for over 200 yards? 4 out of 17 games he threw for over 200 yards. Absolutely Terrible. This all in games where NDSU was the best team playing against garbage teams. People will point to his TD to Int ratio in 2019. But It must have been the luck of the Gods on his side because at times his accuracy was downright terrible. You guys actually want to spend 3 first-round picks, #3 overall on this Kid? It baffles me. It truly does.

I think you guys are overreacting - Lance is legit even though he hasn't got much playing time on his resume.

Explain?

Originally posted by 4ML:

Trey Lance Pro Day is today.

Lance's mental and physical traits are phenomenal, especially since he didn't get the QB circuit development many top recruits do nowadays.

Every reason to expect him to hit his high upside. #49ers #KyleShanahanSchemeFit pic.twitter.com/qIbHIbs8PI

— Eric Galko (@EricGalko) April 19, 2021

That's an interception in the nfl. The db will be working at chick filet after graduation

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
That's an interception in the nfl. The db will be working at chick filet after graduation

Kyler Murray torched us with that throw before.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Just a reminder that ⁦@treylance09⁩ is special.. pic.twitter.com/vKqCaDawB6

— Sean McEvoy (@QBCoachMcEvoy) March 24, 2021

Hear the ball whistle!

Originally posted by fan49:
Yes you're right we could go back-and-forth. If we looked at stats it would benefit fields. The only person that outperform Justin Fields was Mac Jones. That's a fact. The problem we have here is whoever we pick might have to go in year one. And it's very well known that Lance won't be ready and year one. Niners window is now. You can love Lance all you want but according to everybody on the planet he's not ready right now he might not be for 3-4 years. With your proposition if Jimmy gets hurt our season or next two seasons are on Josh Rosen

I'm going to compare Fields 2020 to Lance 2019 as that seems like the most fair comparison. Trust me I'm doing Fields the favor by ignoring his 2018 and 2019.

On target %:
Lance 2019: 78%
Fields 2020: 75%

Catchable %:
Fields 2020: 87%
Lance 2019: 85%

So accuracy basically is equal.

IQR (advanced QB rating metric) "Under pressure"
Lance 2019: 123.8
Fields 2020: 93.4

Total Points Rating Per Pass play:
Fields 2020: 99
Lance 2019: 95

Total Point Rating Per Rush play:
Lance 2019: 99
Fields 2020: 99

As you can see, looking at advanced metrics, and not being a tool who looks at things like completion %, does not benefit Fields. Their accuracy is suddenly equal which is a big blow to the Fields is more accurate truthers and Lance is better under pressure, something known to correlate to the NFL, unlike completion %.

Yates says the Lance workout will not sway their decision and he still thinks the Niners will take Jones at #3.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Did he hit anyone in stride from what we saw?

that is actually what I came to this thread to see. If people noticed what I noticed. He did leave a few balls shorter than I would have liked to see. The long snag over the middle. WR had 2 hands away from the body where he waited for the beautifully thrown ball to come down so he could snag it. Just a bit short. He did have a couple others outside that were very close to in stride. Maybe they were backup WRs he hadn't worked with? Justin Fields was throwing to Freshman he hadn't worked with in his 2nd pro day and absolutely nailing them in stride.

I like Lance. I won't be mad if he is the pick. But to me, the only thing he MIGHT do better than Fields is get rid of the ball a little faster and work through his reads. And that is debatable and I believe can be taught in an NFL system. I am more sure than ever the pick has to be Fields.