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Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I see Jones going mid to late first and Lance going in the second round. No way a team uses a #1 on a 19 year-old QB that's only played one college season on a team that runs the ball in D2.
lol I'd bet you $100 that Lance will get drafted in 1st round.
Originally posted by IceMan1763:
Ok look at what you're saying, seriously. In the first sentence you basically state that Ohio State was steamrolling a lot of their competition, which reduced Fields's number of passing attempts. In what universe does that not also apply to NDSU? You're also trying to compare two completely different styles of offense, which will absolutely affect the number of passing attempts. Ohio State frequently has 1 or 2 more receiving options and spreads the field, so even in games where they are up they tend to keep throwing the ball. Fields had 45 attempts in the National Championship which they won by 4 touchdowns. NDSU, on the other hand, is a run first pro style offense that isn't going to pass as much and never has.
Saying NDSU, which has a LONG history of using this type of playstyle going back at least a decade (and winning a championship doing it almost every year), was doing it because they didn't trust Lance's arm is perhaps one of the worst takes I've seen in everything I've read about these prospects. No offense meant.
You're not taking a chance on a guy whose team didn't trust him to throw, you're taking a chance on a prospect with all of the necessary physical and mental traits to be successful and has demonstrated as much on the field for anyone willing to look past the box scores.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by IceMan1763:
Ok look at what you're saying, seriously. In the first sentence you basically state that Ohio State was steamrolling a lot of their competition, which reduced Fields's number of passing attempts. In what universe does that not also apply to NDSU? You're also trying to compare two completely different styles of offense, which will absolutely affect the number of passing attempts. Ohio State frequently has 1 or 2 more receiving options and spreads the field, so even in games where they are up they tend to keep throwing the ball. Fields had 45 attempts in the National Championship which they won by 4 touchdowns. NDSU, on the other hand, is a run first pro style offense that isn't going to pass as much and never has.
Saying NDSU, which has a LONG history of using this type of playstyle going back at least a decade (and winning a championship doing it almost every year), was doing it because they didn't trust Lance's arm is perhaps one of the worst takes I've seen in everything I've read about these prospects. No offense meant.
You're not taking a chance on a guy whose team didn't trust him to throw, you're taking a chance on a prospect with all of the necessary physical and mental traits to be successful and has demonstrated as much on the field for anyone willing to look past the box scores.
A chance is a chance is a chance. Doesn't matter why they imitated his passing attempts. All that matters is they did. So then its a projection based on his physical traits because game film shows a guy attempting on average 18 passes a game.
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
I went back to watch more games of Lance thinking maybe I overlooked something. Nope. Actually came away thinking he sucked even worse. This guy is so overrated. No way is he the pick. It has got to be either Mac or Fields. Lance is a project. Lance had one game where he threw for over 300 yards. 1 out of 17 games he threw for over 300 yards. Do you know how many games he threw for over 200 yards? 4 out of 17 games he threw for over 200 yards. Absolutely Terrible. This all in games where NDSU was the best team playing against garbage teams. People will point to his TD to Int ratio in 2019. But It must have been the luck of the Gods on his side because at times his accuracy was downright terrible. You guys actually want to spend 3 first-round picks, #3 overall on this Kid? It baffles me. It truly does.
You went back to watch his games or his box scores? Lol not the same thing.
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Ohhh I watched the Games believe me. His tape was so bad I could barely get through it. I think It helps to explain how bad someone is with there GOD awful stats to back it up..I just wanted to paint you all a picture of what you think we should be drafting.
I went to bed last night thinking to myself. How? How could someone who played that bad and not throw a single Interception in 2019? Could a man truly be that lucky? Did the man actually make a deal with the Devil? The only thing I could come up with is when he missed his receiver. And trust me he missed them often. That it was because he threw the ball so damn hard, with so little touch, was so inaccurate, so off-target.....That no one on the entire football field could see where he threw it, let alone actually catch it.
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Ohhh I watched the Games believe me. His tape was so bad I could barely get through it. I think It helps to explain how bad someone is with there GOD awful stats to back it up..I just wanted to paint you all a picture of what you think we should be drafting.
I went to bed last night thinking to myself. How? How could someone who played that bad and not throw a single Interception in 2019? Could a man truly be that lucky? Did the man actually make a deal with the Devil? The only thing I could come up with is when he missed his receiver. And trust me he missed them often. That it was because he threw the ball so damn hard, with so little touch, was so inaccurate, so off-target.....That no one on the entire football field could see where he threw it, let alone actually catch it.
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
I went back to watch more games of Lance thinking maybe I overlooked something. Nope. Actually came away thinking he sucked even worse. This guy is so overrated. No way is he the pick. It has got to be either Mac or Fields. Lance is a project. Lance had one game where he threw for over 300 yards. 1 out of 17 games he threw for over 300 yards. Do you know how many games he threw for over 200 yards? 4 out of 17 games he threw for over 200 yards. Absolutely Terrible. This all in games where NDSU was the best team playing against garbage teams. People will point to his TD to Int ratio in 2019. But It must have been the luck of the Gods on his side because at times his accuracy was downright terrible. You guys actually want to spend 3 first-round picks, #3 overall on this Kid? It baffles me. It truly does.
You went back to watch his games or his box scores? Lol not the same thing.
Ohhh I watched the Games believe me. His tape was so bad I could barely get through it. I think It helps to explain how bad someone is with there GOD awful stats to back it up..I just wanted to paint you all a picture of what you think we should be drafting.
I went to bed last night thinking to myself. How? How could someone who played that bad and not throw a single Interception in 2019? Could a man truly be that lucky? Did the man actually make a deal with the Devil? The only thing I could come up with is when he missed his receiver. And trust me he missed them often. That it was because he threw the ball so damn hard, with so little touch, was so inaccurate, so off-target.....That no one on the entire football field could see where he threw it, let alone actually catch it.
Originally posted by Joecool:
I see Jones going mid to late first and Lance going in the second round. No way a team uses a #1 on a 19 year-old QB that's only played one college season on a team that runs the ball in D2.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:The Cowboys would still draft him at 10.
The only way Lance goes in the second round is if he randomly beats up a whole pack of Girl Scouts two days before the draft.
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Fields threw the ball 352 times in 14 games vs Lance throwing 287 times in 16 games. Not to mention the fact that Fields only threw 20 total passes in the 4th quarter in regular season games (43 for the entire year) in 2019 and didn't even play the 2nd half in two of those games.
Look at 2020 for Fields. He played in 8 games and only threw 62 fewer passes than Lance did in an entire 16 game season.
You really want to put the future of a franchise on the arm of a guy whose college team didn't even trust his arm enough to rely on vs guys who are barely better than High School level talent?
I'd rather not take that chance with someone like Fields available.
Uhhh...that is not true. They actually trusted him more than any other QB in this draft. They let him call audibles and let him run the entire offense himself at LOS.
Originally posted by rathman4481:
He throws with a tad more touch than Kap Imo.
Originally posted by IceMan1763:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:The Cowboys would still draft him at 10.
The only way Lance goes in the second round is if he randomly beats up a whole pack of Girl Scouts two days before the draft.
Originally posted by IceMan1763:
I'm going to copy and paste this and we'll come back to this statement in three years. I have a strong feeling you'll be eating crow. It's kind of rich to say your piss poor surface level tape evaluation matches his GOD awful stats:
Lance's 2019 "GOD awful" stats:
2,786 yards on 67% completion
28 passing TDs to 0 INTs
NFL passer rating 131
Rush yards 1,100
Rush TDs 14
I would add that you clearly just don't like him if that's what you're seeing while "evaluating" his tape.
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Lance steal your girl or something?
Originally posted by Howlett49:
He might fall to the Seahawks. They need Wilson insurance. The midget constantly complains