Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 4ML:
So, Kyle is pretending to show interest in these kids - to get them to fork up some money (which btw they haven't earned yet) to his buddy Beck. That's really sleazy if he is genuinely doing this.

I highly highly doubt Kyle will do that.

...and players are doing a job interview for other teams by running drills and throws that Shanahan wants?

...and lastly what is Shanahan and Lynch getting out of all this?

Who says he's pretending? The 49ers should be doing their due diligence on everyone. Even if you think there's only a 10% chance you might draft a guy, you go ahead and give them a full look because the stakes are so high and you don't have the usual evaluation tools at your disposal.

It'd be negligent to not get a good grasp of all these QBs, see them in person, do the background character research, talk to people around them, go through the film over and over again. In the end they still can only draft one of these guys so someone's going to be disappointed.

And you can do all that with a normal pro day - you don't have to jump thru all these hoops if you're barely or 10% interested. You don't have to request them to work with specific coaches. You don't have to do a closed to media pro-day. You don't have to attend these pro days - send your scouts.

My point is - They're very obviously and openly interested in both of these guys.

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
That's the problem, why does he have to focus on "just" displaying his arm. Fields was dripping with sweat showing everything he had in BOTH pro days. You can explain it away all you want, but you have to admit, that COULD BE a red flag.

Wait the deep ball or the fact that Lance wasn't sweating? The deep ball obviously that could be a concern but his deep ball is generally listed as a strength on almost every scouting report I've read. If maybe underthrowing one deep ball on a pro day (I still think it's a bit hard to tell on that slow mo play where you see the receiver at the last moment) is a red flag then Mac overthrowing a receiver by 5+ yards on a deep ball is a pretty massive one too.

If it's the sweating then man these evaluations are getting tough. You apparently have to sweat the right amount to show you're working hard but I feel like you can't sweat TOO much either because then the criticism is that you're out of shape.

LOL, I get it man, you really like Lance. The deep ball misses or under throws wouldn't be a problem if it didn't show up on the game film, but it does. Try go and watch whole games instead of just the highlights. He makes some amazing throws, and then misses some pretty easy ones that happens to all QBs but it seems to be a pattern with him. Again, I hope I am wrong, and I have nothing against the kids, but my Kaep PTSD is triggering me when I watch him.

Also, it is not about the sweat. Go back and watch both pro days. If you knew nothing about either of them and I told you one was a top 2 recruit out of HS and played in the Playoffs 2 years in a row and was the presumptive #2 pick for years now, and the other was a small school guy with limited game experience trying to prove that he can hang in the big league. Which would you think was witch? One of them looked like he was playing at full speed and treating it like it was the Super Bowl. The other was "focusing on his passing." That may not matter to some, but it would give me pause if I was the one pulling the trigger. Luckily for you and all the rest of the Lance fans, I am not, and I could be reading into something that isn't even there. Like I said, if he is drafted at #3, I will rejoice that he is not Mac Jones and hope to God I am wrong.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Lance is competing with Fields for the #3 spot. There was no one else like Jackson in his draft. If your competitor runs the 40, you should want to run the 40. I am not saying that Lance isn't a competitor, I am saying, that he has never matched up with an equal before, and when he did, he "seemed" to back down. That concerns me. Again, I hope I am seeing something that is not there, if he gets drafted at 3.

How does running a proven fast 40 time correlate to playing the QB position? We already know Lance is fast based on his tape, but would running as fast or faster than Fields elevate his draft stock?

Some GMs and HCs might agree with your philosophy on it and some won't. But if I am a GM, I don't see how it helps convince me he can be a FQB.

Lance and Fields IMHO had nothing to prove to evaluators with their speed. We already knew both were fast. If one wants to showcase it then great, if one prefers to not then that's great too.

Like I said, it might not matter to most. I am just wondering why he "would prefer not to."

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
JTO has Fields #1 even over Lawrence. Do you agree with him? If so, you only take Lance if Fields is gone.

Well I'm flattered you want my rankings
I'm actually not super duper high on Wilson. Disclaimer I'm an armchair GM with a special interest in QBs this year because I'm drafting low in my 2 QB dynasty draft. Also these wouldn't be fantasy related because landing spot matters for that.

1) TLaw
2a) Lance
2b) Fields
3) Wilson
4) Mond
5) Jones

The reason I have Lance ever so slightly over Fields is because I do think Fields has issues handling pressure and is missing open guys more often than I would like. As in missing an opportunity to throw to them and choosing to throw somewhere else. Also for being drafted by the 49ers in particular I think Fields has more to go learning wise than Lance does.

Edit - Also JT had Herbert ranked #8 last year I'm pretty sure. I love his videos, but this ranking business is tricky and anyone can be woefully wrong at times.

That's fair. I guess we will disagree on which one of them will have to adjust their game the most to what Kyle expects. I think all of Fields' shortcomings are easily fixable. Lance on the other hand, may take years to get his accuracy up to where Fields is currently at, not to mention where Fields' accuracy could improve to.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by 4ML:

After watching this, are you still gonna go with the "He was playing with FCS WRs" argument.

I don't know what you mean. It's not an argument. It's a fact.

His TEs (plural) are out running DBs. Many of those TDs they are wide open or take a screen to the house, or the defender has no idea the ball is about to be caught?

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Fields threw the ball 352 times in 14 games vs Lance throwing 287 times in 16 games. Not to mention the fact that Fields only threw 20 total passes in the 4th quarter in regular season games (43 for the entire year) in 2019 and didn't even play the 2nd half in two of those games.

Look at 2020 for Fields. He played in 8 games and only threw 62 fewer passes than Lance did in an entire 16 game season.

You really want to put the future of a franchise on the arm of a guy whose college team didn't even trust his arm enough to rely on vs guys who are barely better than High School level talent?

I'd rather not take that chance with someone like Fields available.

Uhhh...that is not true. They actually trusted him more than any other QB in this draft. They let him call audibles and let him run the entire offense himself at LOS.

Then Lance didn't trust himself to throw if he called all of those designed run plays for himself.

loool he didn't lose a single game - won a championship while never turning the ball over in a meaningful game. I think he made the right calls.

Also - the guy turned foe. Division I to play QB. I think self confidence is not a trait that he's lacking.

I agree that is impressive. However, he did call more designed run plays for himself than he had completions. Mahaomes probably wouldn't do that at NDSU. Wentz didn't.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 4ML:
loool he didn't lose a single game - won a championship while never turning the ball over in a meaningful game. I think he made the right calls.

Easton Stick went undefeated while winning the FCS Championship, should he be the 49ers QB?

Didn't he win 4 Championships?

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
LOL, I get it man, you really like Lance. The deep ball misses or under throws wouldn't be a problem if it didn't show up on the game film, but it does. Try go and watch whole games instead of just the highlights. He makes some amazing throws, and then misses some pretty easy ones that happens to all QBs but it seems to be a pattern with him. Again, I hope I am wrong, and I have nothing against the kids, but my Kaep PTSD is triggering me when I watch him.

Also, it is not about the sweat. Go back and watch both pro days. If you knew nothing about either of them and I told you one was a top 2 recruit out of HS and played in the Playoffs 2 years in a row and was the presumptive #2 pick for years now, and the other was a small school guy with limited game experience trying to prove that he can hang in the big league. Which would you think was witch? One of them looked like he was playing at full speed and treating it like it was the Super Bowl. The other was "focusing on his passing." That may not matter to some, but it would give me pause if I was the one pulling the trigger. Luckily for you and all the rest of the Lance fans, I am not, and I could be reading into something that isn't even there. Like I said, if he is drafted at #3, I will rejoice that he is not Mac Jones and hope to God I am wrong.

Well I'm not the only one who loves him . I just think he has a super high ceiling and loved his interview with Kirk last night. His analysis of the plays really shows how high his football IQ is.

Regarding his deep ball... it's consistently listed as a positive in scouting reports. Also I've watched every game. Lance is far more accurate than Josh Allen was in college and Buffalo wisely saw the potential and drafted him at #7 when most people could only see his 56% completion percentage. Lance's is 67% btw and even better if you look at advanced passing metrics.

At least we agree that Jones would be a joke of a pick.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Didn't he win 4 Championships?

He was a member of 4 championship teams during his 5 years. His 1st year he redshirted and they won that year with Wentz at QB. His 2nd year Wentz got hurt halfway through the season and Stick got them all the way to the championship game. Wentz came back for the championship game, which they won. Stick started the next 3 seasons, winning the championship the last two but coming up short his first season as the starter.

He's on the Chargers now:
https://www.chargers.com/team/players-roster/easton-stick/

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
LOL, I get it man, you really like Lance. The deep ball misses or under throws wouldn't be a problem if it didn't show up on the game film, but it does. Try go and watch whole games instead of just the highlights. He makes some amazing throws, and then misses some pretty easy ones that happens to all QBs but it seems to be a pattern with him. Again, I hope I am wrong, and I have nothing against the kids, but my Kaep PTSD is triggering me when I watch him.

Also, it is not about the sweat. Go back and watch both pro days. If you knew nothing about either of them and I told you one was a top 2 recruit out of HS and played in the Playoffs 2 years in a row and was the presumptive #2 pick for years now, and the other was a small school guy with limited game experience trying to prove that he can hang in the big league. Which would you think was witch? One of them looked like he was playing at full speed and treating it like it was the Super Bowl. The other was "focusing on his passing." That may not matter to some, but it would give me pause if I was the one pulling the trigger. Luckily for you and all the rest of the Lance fans, I am not, and I could be reading into something that isn't even there. Like I said, if he is drafted at #3, I will rejoice that he is not Mac Jones and hope to God I am wrong.

I completely agree with the bolded. He has those WOW throws but lacks any sort of consistency with his accuracy. And when he misses a lot of times it is next-level bad. I am not talking about passes where you say to yourself "ahh, he almost had it". When he misses a pass you go to yourself what the hell was that? These 100 MPH fastballs sailing over people's heads. Even easy plays that we run all the time. Like the play-action bootleg where we sneak out the TE or the FB on the Flat. Easy throws like that he was often not accurate on.

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
LOL, I get it man, you really like Lance. The deep ball misses or under throws wouldn't be a problem if it didn't show up on the game film, but it does. Try go and watch whole games instead of just the highlights. He makes some amazing throws, and then misses some pretty easy ones that happens to all QBs but it seems to be a pattern with him. Again, I hope I am wrong, and I have nothing against the kids, but my Kaep PTSD is triggering me when I watch him.

Also, it is not about the sweat. Go back and watch both pro days. If you knew nothing about either of them and I told you one was a top 2 recruit out of HS and played in the Playoffs 2 years in a row and was the presumptive #2 pick for years now, and the other was a small school guy with limited game experience trying to prove that he can hang in the big league. Which would you think was witch? One of them looked like he was playing at full speed and treating it like it was the Super Bowl. The other was "focusing on his passing." That may not matter to some, but it would give me pause if I was the one pulling the trigger. Luckily for you and all the rest of the Lance fans, I am not, and I could be reading into something that isn't even there. Like I said, if he is drafted at #3, I will rejoice that he is not Mac Jones and hope to God I am wrong.

I completely agree with the bolded. He has those WOW throws but lacks any sort of consistency with his accuracy. And when he misses a lot of times it is next-level bad. I am not talking about passes where you say to yourself "ahh, he almost had it". When he misses a pass you go to yourself what the hell was that? These 100 MPH fastballs sailing over people's heads. Even easy plays that we run all the time. Like the play-action bootleg where we sneak out the TE or the FB on the Flat. Easy throws like that he was often not accurate on.

You mean like this?

Oh come on Phoenix!

I know that past prospect exists! I was just poking fun at his name.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
You mean like this?

I am not sure anyone is this bad LOL...... Lance is not quite this high when he misses but more velocity than this. All I know is whoever drafts lance the people on the sidelines better be paying attention because he just might kill a man.

I need some Trey Lance at pick #3 news.

Originally posted by FL9er:
Oh come on Phoenix!

I know that past prospect exists! I was just poking fun at his name.

Honestly it sounds like his parents are big hockey fans.

An Easton stick