Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by 49ersam-II:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Warning it's a Grant Cohn video. And he says "why are Justin Fields 600 throws more valuable than Lances 300?" He didn't answer the question cause I think he heard himself talk and realized he's a moron.

He said the number of quality throws based on Lance's experience and repetitions playing under center and/or having full control /decision making as far as protections and overall decision on what to do with the ball on any given play was much higher than Fields. Lance at this point in time is more pro ready based on experience, regardless of throws/snaps.

If this playing under center and calling protections thing was so important to Shanahan, why wouldn't we just trade for Wentz who had 3 years in that system instead of 1, and NFL success. He would have been much cheaper.

Wentz is making $32 million a season. I think this deal was reduce the cost of a QB on the salary cap in the near future while guys like Bosa and Warner start looking for $$.

Not if they were considered Stafford and Watson.

Now those two are actuality rumors and speculation. What we know without a shadow of a doubt today is that they were working on trading up to #3 overall well over month before the draft specifically to draft a QB.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
we drafted McGlinchey and kept Staley around. They do not mind goofy characters. As long as they are not getting DUIs. Which in Mac's case, I guess they're just ignoring it.

It was a transcendent dui though lol

Do you guys think this arrest 3 1/2 yards ago as a 19 year old will actually play a role in Kyle's decision?

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/02/28/bucs-assistant-arrested-in-indy/

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
we drafted McGlinchey and kept Staley around. They do not mind goofy characters. As long as they are not getting DUIs. Which in Mac's case, I guess they're just ignoring it.

It was a transcendent dui though lol

Do you guys think this arrest 3 1/2 yards ago as a 19 year old will actually play a role in Kyle's decision?

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/02/28/bucs-assistant-arrested-in-indy/

You're saying they will drink together and Mac will be the designated drunken driver?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
we drafted McGlinchey and kept Staley around. They do not mind goofy characters. As long as they are not getting DUIs. Which in Mac's case, I guess they're just ignoring it.

It was a transcendent dui though lol

Do you guys think this arrest 3 1/2 yards ago as a 19 year old will actually play a role in Kyle's decision?

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/02/28/bucs-assistant-arrested-in-indy/

You're saying they will drink together and Mac will be the designated drunken driver?

I'm saying mistakes happen and people are allowed to grow from them. For Mac it was as a 19 year old freshman and he's since graduated with his masters degree and won a national championship.

Originally posted by jcs:
I'm saying mistakes happen and people are allowed to grow from them. For Mac it was as a 19 year old freshman and he's since graduated with his masters degree and won a national championship.

This: Ranking every Alabama starting quarterback in the 21st century
Jones a product of the system or the system produced Jones? Nobody on this list gives me a compelling reason why Jones should be drafted at #3.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/ranking-every-alabama-starting-quarterback-in-the-21st-century/

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
we drafted McGlinchey and kept Staley around. They do not mind goofy characters. As long as they are not getting DUIs. Which in Mac's case, I guess they're just ignoring it.

It was a transcendent dui though lol

Do you guys think this arrest 3 1/2 yards ago as a 19 year old will actually play a role in Kyle's decision?

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/02/28/bucs-assistant-arrested-in-indy/

You're saying they will drink together and Mac will be the designated drunken driver?

I'm saying mistakes happen and people are allowed to grow from them. For Mac it was as a 19 year old freshman and he's since graduated with his masters degree and won a national championship.

Of course, but it's still a mistake. One Lance, Fields, Wilson, Lawrence, and hundreds of other prospects didn't make. It's of note and should be talked about, but by all standards he's getting the free pass on it.

Also being drunk and belligerent vs a DUI are VERY different, the DUI is massively more serious. When you obtain a drivers license you assume the responsibilities that come with it. I don't care if you're 18 or 58. Just ask Reid's son. I would be fired on the spot from my job if I got a DUI, age and National championship be damned.

Originally posted by 49ersam-II:

Originally posted by jcs:
I'm saying mistakes happen and people are allowed to grow from them. For Mac it was as a 19 year old freshman and he's since graduated with his masters degree and won a national championship.

This: Ranking every Alabama starting quarterback in the 21st century
Jones a product of the system or the system produced Jones? Nobody on this list gives me a compelling reason why Jones should be drafted at #3.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/ranking-every-alabama-starting-quarterback-in-the-21st-century/

Might as well as throw any and all Ohio St qbs into that analysis.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
we drafted McGlinchey and kept Staley around. They do not mind goofy characters. As long as they are not getting DUIs. Which in Mac's case, I guess they're just ignoring it.

It was a transcendent dui though lol

Do you guys think this arrest 3 1/2 yards ago as a 19 year old will actually play a role in Kyle's decision?

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/02/28/bucs-assistant-arrested-in-indy/

You're saying they will drink together and Mac will be the designated drunken driver?

I'm saying mistakes happen and people are allowed to grow from them. For Mac it was as a 19 year old freshman and he's since graduated with his masters degree and won a national championship.

Of course, but it's still a mistake. One Lance, Fields, Wilson, Lawrence, and hundreds of other prospects didn't make. It's of note and should be talked about, but by all standards he's getting the free pass on it.

Also being drunk and belligerent vs a DUI are VERY different, the DUI is massively more serious. When you obtain a drivers license you assume the responsibilities that come with it. I don't care if you're 18 or 58. Just ask Reid's son. I would be fired on the spot from my job if I got a DUI, age and National championship be damned.

Reids sons have had multiple repeated issues with drugs and alcohol for years.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
we drafted McGlinchey and kept Staley around. They do not mind goofy characters. As long as they are not getting DUIs. Which in Mac's case, I guess they're just ignoring it.

It was a transcendent dui though lol

Do you guys think this arrest 3 1/2 yards ago as a 19 year old will actually play a role in Kyle's decision?

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/02/28/bucs-assistant-arrested-in-indy/

You're saying they will drink together and Mac will be the designated drunken driver?

I'm saying mistakes happen and people are allowed to grow from them. For Mac it was as a 19 year old freshman and he's since graduated with his masters degree and won a national championship.

I think it bears looking into. As someone with a history of addiction I'd say they definitely wanna make sure there's not a drinking problem there. A dui is a red flag as far as the possibility of alcoholism is concerned. Many a careers have been lost to that beast.

If he was just being a stupid kid and he realized things get real really quick and it's a lesson learned situation then I'd say all good. They'll figure it out if he's the target I'm sure.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
we drafted McGlinchey and kept Staley around. They do not mind goofy characters. As long as they are not getting DUIs. Which in Mac's case, I guess they're just ignoring it.

It was a transcendent dui though lol

Do you guys think this arrest 3 1/2 yards ago as a 19 year old will actually play a role in Kyle's decision?

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/02/28/bucs-assistant-arrested-in-indy/

You're saying they will drink together and Mac will be the designated drunken driver?

I'm saying mistakes happen and people are allowed to grow from them. For Mac it was as a 19 year old freshman and he's since graduated with his masters degree and won a national championship.

Of course, but it's still a mistake. One Lance, Fields, Wilson, Lawrence, and hundreds of other prospects didn't make. It's of note and should be talked about, but by all standards he's getting the free pass on it.

Also being drunk and belligerent vs a DUI are VERY different, the DUI is massively more serious. When you obtain a drivers license you assume the responsibilities that come with it. I don't care if you're 18 or 58. Just ask Reid's son. I would be fired on the spot from my job if I got a DUI, age and National championship be damned.

You wouldn't be fired before you get the job though. Mac wasn't employed at nineteen. He was a college student. Not to mention, this is the nfl where for better or for worse it takes a hell of a lot more than a dui to lose your job.

Like I said in another post, definitely something to check out and make sure there's no drinking problem there. Aside from that it's not a huge red flag by any means.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
we drafted McGlinchey and kept Staley around. They do not mind goofy characters. As long as they are not getting DUIs. Which in Mac's case, I guess they're just ignoring it.

It was a transcendent dui though lol

Do you guys think this arrest 3 1/2 yards ago as a 19 year old will actually play a role in Kyle's decision?

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/02/28/bucs-assistant-arrested-in-indy/

You're saying they will drink together and Mac will be the designated drunken driver?

I'm saying mistakes happen and people are allowed to grow from them. For Mac it was as a 19 year old freshman and he's since graduated with his masters degree and won a national championship.

Of course, but it's still a mistake. One Lance, Fields, Wilson, Lawrence, and hundreds of other prospects didn't make. It's of note and should be talked about, but by all standards he's getting the free pass on it.

Also being drunk and belligerent vs a DUI are VERY different, the DUI is massively more serious. When you obtain a drivers license you assume the responsibilities that come with it. I don't care if you're 18 or 58. Just ask Reid's son. I would be fired on the spot from my job if I got a DUI, age and National championship be damned.

Reids sons have had multiple repeated issues with drugs and alcohol for years.

Doesn't change a damn thing I said. It's easy to say in he was 19. We were all young and dumb etc, but have you ever had a DUI? I can say I haven't. Because I was raised right and I feared my parents more than the law if I ever did something that stupid lol.

He made the choice to do that. Why did he think that? What's his upbringing? Etc etc Not saying he can't learn or didn't learn, or has an addiction issue, but he still made a decision that was egregious and could have been catastrophic. If I'm betting the franchise on him I'm taking that into account.

Originally posted by jcs:
Might as well as throw any and all Ohio St qbs into that analysis.

That already goes without saying brother.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49ersam-II:

Originally posted by jcs:
I'm saying mistakes happen and people are allowed to grow from them. For Mac it was as a 19 year old freshman and he's since graduated with his masters degree and won a national championship.

This: Ranking every Alabama starting quarterback in the 21st century
Jones a product of the system or the system produced Jones? Nobody on this list gives me a compelling reason why Jones should be drafted at #3.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/ranking-every-alabama-starting-quarterback-in-the-21st-century/

Might as well as throw any and all Ohio St qbs into that analysis.

Comparing Jones to all former Alabama QBs doesn't make sense, but comparing him to Tua, who played in the same offense with a lot of the same players and put up similar numbers and was praised in the same way does.

It's too early to call him a bust, but Tua hasn't exactly looked great in the pros so far.

Originally posted by 49ersam-II:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
What are you basing that on? What data points?

Based on time and distance traveled.

Distance from where to where?