Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

I ain't bringing Jimmy back at 27 mil. No doubt he needs to restructure. I feel Jimmy is a reasonable person that will help out the team with regards to his contract.

I mean Jimmy restructuring isn't him doing SF a favor...he still gets his money and actually it guarantees him MORE lol. Dude has next to no gtd cash left and that would create a lot more in 2022, it makes him unmovable.

Helping the team out would be taking a straight up pay cut. I doubt he doesn't that.

All I know is the likelihood of Jimmy coming back and being our starting QB next year is VERY HIGH as there really is no better option out there unless we land Stafford via trade. I also don't see how the Niners pass on Wilson or Lance if one is available assuming both players perform good to great during the pre draft process. There are ways to make the financials work. Perhaps other parts of the team will have to suffer but we NEED to get this QB situation fixed along with the offensive line imo. Problems 1A and 1B

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

All I know is the likelihood of Jimmy coming back and being our starting QB next year is VERY HIGH as there really is no better option out there unless we land Stafford via trade. I also don't see how the Niners pass on Wilson or Lance if one is available assuming both players perform good to great during the pre draft process. There are ways to make the financials work. Perhaps other parts of the team will have to suffer but we NEED to get this QB situation fixed along with the offensive line imo. Problems 1A and 1B

He simply can't play at his current salary period. He can be moved and would free up more cash than any other single contract in the NFL. $50M between the next 2 yrs

I get it people want the perfect scenario, but they also need to be realistic. Keeping Jimmy means the rest of the roster suffers a ton... Is he that important if the plan is to move off him in a yr anyway?

Why not build up the whole roster around a young QB and go play football? (Go sign a cheaper vet backup)You're throwing much needed cash in the trash by restructuring him or doing nothing at all.

What's more important...resigning TW/Juice/Verrett AND upgrading at DB/Edge/OL or having Jimmy and basically nothing else? Who's playing LT? Who's playing CB? Who's playing IOL? Who's rushing the passer off the edge? What about the other 30 FAs?

We can't eat our cake and have it too...unless Jimmy wants to take a straight up pay cut, which I find highly unlikely.

Tough decision to be made...rookie QB resets their cap space for like 4-5 yrs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

I ain't bringing Jimmy back at 27 mil. No doubt he needs to restructure. I feel Jimmy is a reasonable person that will help out the team with regards to his contract.

I mean Jimmy restructuring isn't him doing SF a favor...he still gets his money and actually it guarantees him MORE lol. Dude has next to no gtd cash left and that would create a lot more in 2022, it makes him unmovable.

Helping the team out would be taking a straight up pay cut. I doubt he doesn't that.

I agree if we draft a QB to replace him no way he takes a pay cut to help us out. He will have a lot of Resentment and no way he helps tutor the kid to take his spot that scenario is just not gonna work not to mention the financial implications like you mentioned.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How many f**king times do we have to reiterate that arm strength alone is not enough??? Its f**king pissing me off.

How many Jim Druckenmillers need to be drafted.
How many Ryan Leafs need to be drafted
How many Sam Darnolds need to be drafted
Who has won the superbowl 6 times? Tom Brady. Not great arm strength
Joe Montana? Not great arm strength
Nick Foles? He won a superbowl, not great arm strength
Peyton Manning when he was throwing the ball into the dirt? Not great arm strength,
How about Russel Wilson? Beautiful accuracy and ball placment. Not great arm strength.

Im f**king sick and tired of people wanting a cannon of an arm. I want touch, accuracy, and smarts. A decent arm to make the throws is needed, but it doesnt need to be a rocket.

Going through that video I didnt see one throw where he went through progressions, or any timing routes. It was backyard football the entire time and there is no way in hell anyone can evauate this guy at the pro level. The majority of his throws were to wide open receiverds.

Its like Kaepernick 2.0. No thanks.

The game has changed considerably. The NFL is moving far closer to the college game than at any point in time. Being a QB nowadays is also easier than at any point in time. So yes arm strength matters and the learning curve greatly decreases due to the easier transition from college offenses to NFL offenses. Josh Allen came out of Wyoming as a so so QB with a massive arm, now he's in the playoffs two years in a row. Pat Mahomes came out of an Air Raid offense that hadn't seen much success when it came to producing NFL QB's previously. Now he's a SB winner. Look at a guy like Herbert in San Diego. He was a good, never great college QB but has thus far produced a very good rookie season. Lance doesn't have the same arm that Allen does but he's easily as good of a prospect overall.

Also Ryan Leaf's issues were never about talent, he had more pure talent than just about any other QB drafted in the past 30 years. It was all upstairs, he was a human burning dumpster fire and that is what ended his NFL career.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

How many f**king times do we have to reiterate that arm strength alone is not enough??? Its f**king pissing me off.

How many Jim Druckenmillers need to be drafted.
How many Ryan Leafs need to be drafted
How many Sam Darnolds need to be drafted
Who has won the superbowl 6 times? Tom Brady. Not great arm strength
Joe Montana? Not great arm strength
Nick Foles? He won a superbowl, not great arm strength
Peyton Manning when he was throwing the ball into the dirt? Not great arm strength,
How about Russel Wilson? Beautiful accuracy and ball placment. Not great arm strength.

Im f**king sick and tired of people wanting a cannon of an arm. I want touch, accuracy, and smarts. A decent arm to make the throws is needed, but it doesnt need to be a rocket.

Going through that video I didnt see one throw where he went through progressions, or any timing routes. It was backyard football the entire time and there is no way in hell anyone can evauate this guy at the pro level. The majority of his throws were to wide open receiverds.

Its like Kaepernick 2.0. No thanks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

All I know is the likelihood of Jimmy coming back and being our starting QB next year is VERY HIGH as there really is no better option out there unless we land Stafford via trade. I also don't see how the Niners pass on Wilson or Lance if one is available assuming both players perform good to great during the pre draft process. There are ways to make the financials work. Perhaps other parts of the team will have to suffer but we NEED to get this QB situation fixed along with the offensive line imo. Problems 1A and 1B

He simply can't play at his current salary period. He can be moved and would free up more cash than any other single contract in the NFL. $50M between the next 2 yrs

I get it people want the perfect scenario, but they also need to be realistic. Keeping Jimmy means the rest of the roster suffers a ton... Is he that important if the plan is to move off him in a yr anyway?

Why not build up the whole roster around a young QB and go play football? (Go sign a cheaper vet backup)You're throwing much needed cash in the trash by restructuring him or doing nothing at all.

What's more important...resigning TW/Juice/Verrett AND upgrading at DB/Edge/OL or having Jimmy and basically nothing else? Who's playing LT? Who's playing CB? Who's playing IOL? Who's rushing the passer off the edge? What about the other 30 FAs?

We can't eat our cake and have it too...unless Jimmy wants to take a straight up pay cut, which I find highly unlikely.

Tough decision to be made...rookie QB resets their cap space for like 4-5 yrs.

I just can't see Shanahan moving on from Jimmy without a clear upgrade in place. I see the Packers as the model the Niners are going to follow. Roll with the best current option at QB (Jimmy) while drafting the future this year.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

I just can't see Shanahan moving on from Jimmy without a clear upgrade in place. I see the Packers as the model the Niners are going to follow. Roll with the best current option at QB (Jimmy) while drafting the future this year.

Itd be a huge mistake imo. A mistake that could cost Shanahan and Lynch their jobs

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

I just can't see Shanahan moving on from Jimmy without a clear upgrade in place. I see the Packers as the model the Niners are going to follow. Roll with the best current option at QB (Jimmy) while drafting the future this year.

Jimmy isn't Rogers lol. Also they could afford to do what they're doing right now.

Again everyone wants this perfect scenario when it's simply not realistic from a financial situation.

Originally posted by NM16:

Itd be a huge mistake imo. A mistake that could cost Shanahan and Lynch their jobs

If you think Jimmy is some super star QB and can take a much worse roster than what he had in 2019 to the SB, then maybe.

I don't think a rookie QB is really that much of a downgrade to Jimmy in yr 1.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

The game has changed considerably. The NFL is moving far closer to the college game than at any point in time. Being a QB nowadays is also easier than at any point in time. So yes arm strength matters and the learning curve greatly decreases due to the easier transition from college offenses to NFL offenses. Josh Allen came out of Wyoming as a so so QB with a massive arm, now he's in the playoffs two years in a row. Pat Mahomes came out of an Air Raid offense that hadn't seen much success when it came to producing NFL QB's previously. Now he's a SB winner. Look at a guy like Herbert in San Diego. He was a good, never great college QB but has thus far produced a very good rookie season. Lance doesn't have the same arm that Allen does but he's easily as good of a prospect overall.

Also Ryan Leaf's issues were never about talent, he had more pure talent than just about any other QB drafted in the past 30 years. It was all upstairs, he was a human burning dumpster fire and that is what ended his NFL career.

This

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2923469-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-latest-2021-nfl-mock-draft-and-more

12. San Francisco 49ers: QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State

Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the answer, and the 49ers can acknowledge that mistake and let him go this offseason with a small cap hit. It's time for Kyle Shanahan to pick his quarterback, and Lance's dual-threat ability could give Shanahan Deshaun Watson vibes.

Originally posted by ninerFate:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2923469-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-latest-2021-nfl-mock-draft-and-more

12. San Francisco 49ers: QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State

Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the answer, and the 49ers can acknowledge that mistake and let him go this offseason with a small cap hit. It's time for Kyle Shanahan to pick his quarterback, and Lance's dual-threat ability could give Shanahan Deshaun Watson vibes.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If you think Jimmy is some super star QB and can take a much worse roster than what he had in 2019 to the SB, then maybe.

I don't think a rookie QB is really that much of a downgrade to Jimmy in yr 1.

a huge mistake to restructure Jimmy lol. They should def cut/trade jimmy and sign a cheap vet to compete with wilson/lance

Originally posted by NM16:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If you think Jimmy is some super star QB and can take a much worse roster than what he had in 2019 to the SB, then maybe.

I don't think a rookie QB is really that much of a downgrade to Jimmy in yr 1.

a huge mistake to restructure Jimmy lol. They should def cut/trade jimmy and sign a cheap vet to compete with wilson/lance

Finally someone agrees

Originally posted by NM16:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If you think Jimmy is some super star QB and can take a much worse roster than what he had in 2019 to the SB, then maybe.

I don't think a rookie QB is really that much of a downgrade to Jimmy in yr 1.

a huge mistake to restructure Jimmy lol. They should def cut/trade jimmy and sign a cheap vet to compete with wilson/lance

It would be wise of the Niners to draft their QB of the future whilst signing a cheap veteran QB for competition. I'm not sure we can rely on a Inconsistent, often Injured Jimmy to lead us to the promise land again, especially If we we're to Lose a ton of talent due to the salary cap. Just my Opinion though.