Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by NM16:
a huge mistake to restructure Jimmy lol. They should def cut/trade jimmy and sign a cheap vet to compete with wilson/lance

If you draft Lance it'd be a huge mistake to get rid of Garoppolo for some garbage tier vet who is either too old or was never worth a damn to begin with. KC didn't suddenly dump Alex Smith right after they drafted Mahomes. Lance has one year of playing experience in college. You shouldn't/couldn't be counting on him for anything as a rookie. His best position would be to hold a clipboard and maybe come in for special packages but otherwise to sit and learn for at least a year and you're not going to find anyone remotely close to Garoppolo in free agency.

People saying we should still keep Jimmy just don't get it.

Arguably the biggest point of drafting a guy like Trey Lance or Zach Wilson is to get out of Jimmy's contract and save ~$20M in cap space in a cap-strapped year. I would rather pay Ryan Fitzpatrick $5M to mentor the new guy then pay Jimmy $25M to do the same.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

If you draft Lance it'd be a huge mistake to get rid of Garoppolo for some garbage tier vet who is either too old or was never worth a damn to begin with. KC didn't suddenly dump Alex Smith right after they drafted Mahomes. Lance has one year of playing experience in college. You shouldn't/couldn't be counting on him for anything as a rookie. His best position would be to hold a clipboard and maybe come in for special packages but otherwise to sit and learn for at least a year and you're not going to find anyone remotely close to Garoppolo in free agency.

itd be a huge risk but jimmy is not worth 27 mil that's ridiculous. We had a historic defense, great coaching and jimmy still couldn't get it done. No chance he does it in the future, cut/trade him. From what I've seen from QBs like Josh Allen and Herbert has given me the go ahead to start with Lance. We have a good enough team and good enough coach to limit the playbook and still be effective. Qb transition from college to pro has been better than ever. I'd rather start Lance then have him sit for 2 whole years since he didnt play this season.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

People saying we should still keep Jimmy just don't get it.

Arguably the biggest point of drafting a guy like Trey Lance or Zach Wilson is to get out of Jimmy's contract and save ~$20M in cap space in a cap-strapped year. I would rather pay Ryan Fitzpatrick $5M to mentor the new guy then pay Jimmy $25M to do the same.

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

The game has changed considerably. The NFL is moving far closer to the college game than at any point in time. Being a QB nowadays is also easier than at any point in time. So yes arm strength matters and the learning curve greatly decreases due to the easier transition from college offenses to NFL offenses. Josh Allen came out of Wyoming as a so so QB with a massive arm, now he's in the playoffs two years in a row. Pat Mahomes came out of an Air Raid offense that hadn't seen much success when it came to producing NFL QB's previously. Now he's a SB winner. Look at a guy like Herbert in San Diego. He was a good, never great college QB but has thus far produced a very good rookie season. Lance doesn't have the same arm that Allen does but he's easily as good of a prospect overall.

Also Ryan Leaf's issues were never about talent, he had more pure talent than just about any other QB drafted in the past 30 years. It was all upstairs, he was a human burning dumpster fire and that is what ended his NFL career.

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Originally posted by NM16:
itd be a huge risk but jimmy is not worth 27 mil that's ridiculous. We had a historic defense, great coaching and jimmy still couldn't get it done. No chance he does it in the future, cut/trade him. From what I've seen from QBs like Josh Allen and Herbert has given me the go ahead to start with Lance. We have a good enough team and good enough coach to limit the playbook and still be effective. Qb transition from college to pro has been better than ever. I'd rather start Lance then have him sit for 2 whole years since he didnt play this season.

They were within five minutes of winning a SB. You're talking about it like they were a 9-7 team. Some better pass blocking in that game and they win. Losing Richburg was the most critical loss of the season, its what allowed Chris Jones to run wild and limited Garoppolo from being able to step into his throws. Unless they trade for a veteran QB like Stafford, Garoppolo is still going to be their best shot at winning a SB next season. You're not going to find someone equivalent by digging around in the QB discount bargain bin.

The only way I see them completely move on from Garoppolo is if they get that top notch veteran QB, otherwise you hold on to him for a year, make another run at winning a SB with hopefully a much healthier roster and than after that season, you part ways with him and let the young QB step in.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
People saying we should still keep Jimmy just don't get it.

Arguably the biggest point of drafting a guy like Trey Lance or Zach Wilson is to get out of Jimmy's contract and save ~$20M in cap space in a cap-strapped year. I would rather pay Ryan Fitzpatrick $5M to mentor the new guy then pay Jimmy $25M to do the same.

Fitzpatrick hasn't won dick in his career. He's good for 5 or 6 really good games and then he morphs into Nick Mullens. He's been in the league for 15 years and hasn't had a single playoff snap.

If you're dumping Garoppolo without any sort of viable replacement you're basically saying "I'm good with not competing for anything in 2021." If KC found a way to keep Smith for a season while allowing Mahomes to sit and watch and learn, the 49ers could do the same with Garoppolo.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NM16:

itd be a huge risk but jimmy is not worth 27 mil that's ridiculous. We had a historic defense, great coaching and jimmy still couldn't get it done. No chance he does it in the future, cut/trade him. From what I've seen from QBs like Josh Allen and Herbert has given me the go ahead to start with Lance. We have a good enough team and good enough coach to limit the playbook and still be effective. Qb transition from college to pro has been better than ever. I'd rather start Lance then have him sit for 2 whole years since he didnt play this season.

They were within five minutes of winning a SB. You're talking about it like they were a 9-7 team. Some better pass blocking in that game and they win. Losing Richburg was the most critical loss of the season, its what allowed Chris Jones to run wild and limited Garoppolo from being able to step into his throws. Unless they trade for a veteran QB like Stafford, Garoppolo is still going to be their best shot at winning a SB next season. You're not going to find someone equivalent by digging around in the QB discount bargain bin.

The only way I see them completely move on from Garoppolo is if they get that top notch veteran QB, otherwise you hold on to him for a year, make another run at winning a SB with hopefully a much healthier roster and than after that season, you part ways with him and let the young QB step in.

People in here playing checkers while your playing chess. Strategic and im on board.

Plus, people are still in sticker shock over Jimmy's contract but relative to other QBs its pretty reasonable. I dont see why having both Jimmy and a talented rookie is a bad thing

Originally posted by birdie2bogey:
People in here playing checkers while your playing chess. Strategic and im on board.

Plus, people are still in sticker shock over Jimmy's contract but relative to other QBs its pretty reasonable. I dont see why having both Jimmy and a talented rookie is a bad thing

He's in the middle of the pack in terms of QB salary at this point. If you're talking about replacing him with a significantly cheaper veteran than you're talking about replacing him with a significantly s**ttier quarterback.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by birdie2bogey:

People in here playing checkers while your playing chess. Strategic and im on board.

Plus, people are still in sticker shock over Jimmy's contract but relative to other QBs its pretty reasonable. I dont see why having both Jimmy and a talented rookie is a bad thing

He's in the middle of the pack in terms of QB salary at this point. If you're talking about replacing him with a significantly cheaper veteran than you're talking about replacing him with a significantly s**ttier quarterback.

Was surprised to read in Lombardis piece today that if they did in fact trade for Stafford they would only be on the hook for $23mil.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by birdie2bogey:

People in here playing checkers while your playing chess. Strategic and im on board.

Plus, people are still in sticker shock over Jimmy's contract but relative to other QBs its pretty reasonable. I dont see why having both Jimmy and a talented rookie is a bad thing

He's in the middle of the pack in terms of QB salary at this point. If you're talking about replacing him with a significantly cheaper veteran than you're talking about replacing him with a significantly s**ttier quarterback.

Scott Tolzien is the chosen one though.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

People saying we should still keep Jimmy just don't get it.

Arguably the biggest point of drafting a guy like Trey Lance or Zach Wilson is to get out of Jimmy's contract and save ~$20M in cap space in a cap-strapped year. I would rather pay Ryan Fitzpatrick $5M to mentor the new guy then pay Jimmy $25M to do the same.

Fitzpatrick hasn't won dick in his career. He's good for 5 or 6 really good games and then he morphs into Nick Mullens. He's been in the league for 15 years and hasn't had a single playoff snap.

If you're dumping Garoppolo without any sort of viable replacement you're basically saying "I'm good with not competing for anything in 2021." If KC found a way to keep Smith for a season while allowing Mahomes to sit and watch and learn, the 49ers could do the same with Garoppolo.

So this, this team is built to win now and is not going to replace jimmy with a trash journey man like Fitzpatrick. They're in SB or bust mode and Fitzpatrick will not get them as far as jimmy did and that's a fact. If Stafford becomes available I can see him replacing him but if not they'll bring back jimmy and draft a Lance or Wilson and have him sit all year. Jimmy will probably get hurt somewhere so either one of them will be better than Mullens or Beathard so they may see time anyways.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
People saying we should still keep Jimmy just don't get it.

Arguably the biggest point of drafting a guy like Trey Lance or Zach Wilson is to get out of Jimmy's contract and save ~$20M in cap space in a cap-strapped year. I would rather pay Ryan Fitzpatrick $5M to mentor the new guy then pay Jimmy $25M to do the same.

I dont believe in Trey Lance or Zach Wilson, so probably you haven't dotted all your T's and crossed all your I's before making such a statement.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

People saying we should still keep Jimmy just don't get it.

Arguably the biggest point of drafting a guy like Trey Lance or Zach Wilson is to get out of Jimmy's contract and save ~$20M in cap space in a cap-strapped year. I would rather pay Ryan Fitzpatrick $5M to mentor the new guy then pay Jimmy $25M to do the same.

I dont believe in Trey Lance or Zach Wilson, so probably you haven't dotted all your T's and crossed all your I's before making such a statement.

Oh well if Stanley doesn't believe in them then ya... Fanatic... how dare you.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Was surprised to read in Lombardis piece today that if they did in fact trade for Stafford they would only be on the hook for $23mil.

Because the Lions would be eating so much dead money, he'd actually be cheaper than Garoppolo next season.