Trey Lance QB NDSU

This guy went from mid round to top 10? I'm good with either him or Wilson. If we stay around 10-11, we should be able to move up a few spots and get one of them.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If you draft Lance it'd be a huge mistake to get rid of Garoppolo for some garbage tier vet who is either too old or was never worth a damn to begin with. KC didn't suddenly dump Alex Smith right after they drafted Mahomes. Lance has one year of playing experience in college. You shouldn't/couldn't be counting on him for anything as a rookie. His best position would be to hold a clipboard and maybe come in for special packages but otherwise to sit and learn for at least a year and you're not going to find anyone remotely close to Garoppolo in free agency.

It's about the money Phoenix...the money.

In a ideal world Jimmy is the bridge QB playing on about a $10M cap hit with no gtd cash in 2022 BUT unfortunately that's not reality.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's about the money Phoenix...the money.

In a ideal world Jimmy is the bridge QB playing on about a $10M cap hit with no gtd cash in 2022 BUT unfortunately that's not reality.

Money can always be moved around, especially if its just for a year. If people want his team to be a playoff contender, its not going to happen with some career journeyman at QB and unlikely to happen with some green rookie passer either. Unless you're acquiring someone like Stafford, Garoppolo will still be the best chance that this franchise has to make a run at a SB in 2021.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Fitzpatrick hasn't won dick in his career. He's good for 5 or 6 really good games and then he morphs into Nick Mullens. He's been in the league for 15 years and hasn't had a single playoff snap.

If you're dumping Garoppolo without any sort of viable replacement you're basically saying "I'm good with not competing for anything in 2021." If KC found a way to keep Smith for a season while allowing Mahomes to sit and watch and learn, the 49ers could do the same with Garoppolo.

Alex Smith's cap hit in 2017 was $13M Jimmy's will be $27M and the cap is going down about $40M with SF having 30+ FAs.

IF they could afford Jimmy AND be able to maintain the roster with the proper resigning and upgrades, I think everyone would be cool with that.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Money can always be moved around, especially if its just for a year.

No actually it can't if you look at the actual cap and what money can be moved.

You restructure Jimmy you're basically giving him gtd cash (which he currently has basically none left) and all but guaranteeing he's here thru 2022 (paying him around $50M). He's on a yr-to-yr team option at this point WHICH is stupid valuable as far as contracts go.

There are literally no real contracts you can restructure to lower the cap outside of Ford/Richburg that save any real meaningful cash...I for one would not push their money down the road another yr. Restructuring contracts is meant for players you plan on being here for a while...not guys that are always injured and their futures are up in the air.

I'm telling ya unless the plan is to keep JG thru 2022 and give him the rest of his $50M. There is no real savings to be had for a yr. At that point you've paid Jimmy $137M lol WTF?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If people want his team to be a playoff contender, its not going to happen with some career journeyman at QB and unlikely to happen with some green rookie passer either. Unless you're acquiring someone like Stafford, Garoppolo will still be the best chance that this franchise has to make a run at a SB in 2021.

A rookie can get us to the playoffs.

I doubt a rookie can win us a SB in 2021, but seeing as the whole point of moving on Jimmy is because I don't believe he can win us a SB in 2021 then.....

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

If you're dumping Garoppolo without any sort of viable replacement you're basically saying "I'm good with not competing for anything in 2021." If KC found a way to keep Smith for a season while allowing Mahomes to sit and watch and learn, the 49ers could do the same with Garoppolo.

That should be the model. It benefitted the team and Mahomes.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

They were within five minutes of winning a SB. You're talking about it like they were a 9-7 team. Some better pass blocking in that game and they win. Losing Richburg was the most critical loss of the season, its what allowed Chris Jones to run wild and limited Garoppolo from being able to step into his throws. Unless they trade for a veteran QB like Stafford, Garoppolo is still going to be their best shot at winning a SB next season. You're not going to find someone equivalent by digging around in the QB discount bargain bin.

The only way I see them completely move on from Garoppolo is if they get that top notch veteran QB, otherwise you hold on to him for a year, make another run at winning a SB with hopefully a much healthier roster and than after that season, you part ways with him and let the young QB step in.

Are you aware of how many free agents we have coming up and the cap situation we're in plus the league salary? Jimmy costs 27 mil and hes not worth that. I'd rather cut/trade him and pay TW, and the other FA we can grab. It's not an easy situation for us but I think this is the best move for the future. Jimmy may have been a quarter away from winning a SB but if you look at the playoffs and SB, he didnt really do much. All we asked was him to not turnover the ball and he did that twice in the superbowl.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Finally someone agrees

What do you mean finally?? I've been on that train since it left the station lol

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

People saying we should still keep Jimmy just don't get it.

Arguably the biggest point of drafting a guy like Trey Lance or Zach Wilson is to get out of Jimmy's contract and save ~$20M in cap space in a cap-strapped year. I would rather pay Ryan Fitzpatrick $5M to mentor the new guy then pay Jimmy $25M to do the same.

My GOD yes!!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

It's about the money Phoenix...the money.

In a ideal world Jimmy is the bridge QB playing on about a $10M cap hit with no gtd cash in 2022 BUT unfortunately that's not reality.

Money can always be moved around, especially if its just for a year. If people want his team to be a playoff contender, its not going to happen with some career journeyman at QB and unlikely to happen with some green rookie passer either. Unless you're acquiring someone like Stafford, Garoppolo will still be the best chance that this franchise has to make a run at a SB in 2021.

Yup

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
People saying we should still keep Jimmy just don't get it.

Arguably the biggest point of drafting a guy like Trey Lance or Zach Wilson is to get out of Jimmy's contract and save ~$20M in cap space in a cap-strapped year. I would rather pay Ryan Fitzpatrick $5M to mentor the new guy then pay Jimmy $25M to do the same.

My GOD yes!!

Right? Get rid of a capable, high quality starter that you got to the SB with and replace him with quarterback garbage. That's how winning is done I guess.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Right? Get rid of a capable, high quality starter that you got to the SB with and replace him with quarterback garbage. That's how winning is done I guess.

How can he be capable and high quality if he's on the field 1/3 of the time? That's s**tty odds to hinge a season to.

Originally posted by NM16:
Are you aware of how many free agents we have coming up and the cap situation we're in plus the league salary? Jimmy costs 27 mil and hes not worth that. I'd rather cut/trade him and pay TW, and the other FA we can grab. It's not an easy situation for us but I think this is the best move for the future. Jimmy may have been a quarter away from winning a SB but if you look at the playoffs and SB, he didnt really do much. All we asked was him to not turnover the ball and he did that twice in the superbowl.

Yes I'm aware and then situation isn't nearly as dire as people make it out to be. For one year, deals can be reworked, adjustments made. If you're going to draft a QB, the best place for them to be is to sit and watch, not to throw all that pressure of a team that fans will expect to be a contender with everyone healthy, on to the rookie to start with. And if you dump Garoppolo just to replace him with a trash tier QB like Fitzpatrick, then all you're doing is signaling to the fans and the rest of the team that you're waving the white flag on 2021.

And if you dump Garoppolo and he goes on to be relatively successful elsewhere while your vaunted rookie QB busts, everyone gets fired and we start from scratch once more.