Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by illinois9er:
How can he be capable and high quality if he's on the field 1/3 of the time? That's s**tty odds to hinge a season to.

Long term its hard to commit to Garoppolo due to the injuries but for a year, if he stays healthy, he's the 49ers best shot by far at returning to the SB barring some wacky trade for Stafford or someone of that caliber.

Going after Fitzpatrick is saying "well, we're punting on this season but give it a year and you guys will be amazed!"

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The last time Kyle Shanahan was calling plays for a 1st round rookie QB, his team finished the season with the 2nd most efficient offense in the league, while posting top 5 numbers in yards & points per game

Washington had significantly worse skill position players than SF too pic.twitter.com/2waNuN5N8b

— Jordan (@splash_cousin) December 22, 2020

Great, that was in 2012 when the read option stunned NFL defenses enough for QB's like RG3 and Kaepernick to run amuck. You're not going to suddenly sneak up on teams next season with a super athletic QB that does a lot of RPO's.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Right? Get rid of a capable, high quality starter that you got to the SB with and replace him with quarterback garbage. That's how winning is done I guess.

How can he be capable and high quality if he's on the field 1/3 of the time? That's s**tty odds to hinge a season to.

The way he's going he's due for another healthy year

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The last time Kyle Shanahan was calling plays for a 1st round rookie QB, his team finished the season with the 2nd most efficient offense in the league, while posting top 5 numbers in yards & points per game

Washington had significantly worse skill position players than SF too pic.twitter.com/2waNuN5N8b

— Jordan (@splash_cousin) December 22, 2020

Great, that was in 2012 when the read option stunned NFL defenses enough for QB's like RG3 and Kaepernick to run amuck. You're not going to suddenly sneak up on teams next season with a super athletic QB that does a lot of RPO's.

4,000 total yards 27TDs 5 INTs yr 1 coming out a air raid scheme in Baylor.

Yeah and no one is using RPOs in the NFL right now

Lance player in a pro-style offense as well. I'll take that over someone playing in a air raid/spread for 2 yrs.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by illinois9er:
How can he be capable and high quality if he's on the field 1/3 of the time? That's s**tty odds to hinge a season to.

Long term its hard to commit to Garoppolo due to the injuries but for a year, if he stays healthy, he's the 49ers best shot by far at returning to the SB barring some wacky trade for Stafford or someone of that caliber.

Going after Fitzpatrick is saying "well, we're punting on this season but give it a year and you guys will be amazed!"

Yeah the other thing people are forgetting is team chemistry. Not to say Fitzpatrick couldn't jump right in but Garoppolo has a pretty good track record here and the guys on the team love him.

We'll see what happens with his contract which is definitely the biggest problem. I'd be surprised if someone traded for him with that contract so the other options for him are to be cut(where he wouldn't get anywhere near that anyways) or take a pay cut and stay on a team he knows, offense he knows and probably his best chance to keep his starting job or if the 49ers grab a rookie early he can help himself with another team.

The team will make a decision on him long before the draft so if he takes the paycut it would be before the draft.

inb4 we have our own version of Draft Day

Vontae Mack no matter what!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

How can he be capable and high quality if he's on the field 1/3 of the time? That's s**tty odds to hinge a season to.

Long term its hard to commit to Garoppolo due to the injuries but for a year, if he stays healthy, he's the 49ers best shot by far at returning to the SB barring some wacky trade for Stafford or someone of that caliber.

Going after Fitzpatrick is saying "well, we're punting on this season but give it a year and you guys will be amazed!"

I'm not anti Jimmy by any means but IMO he's a guy that needs everything around him clicking to be successful. He very rarely elevates past adversity and carries the team. I guess IF there's a way they could keep guys like Trent, Verrett and Juice I'd be content with jimmy for the short term but I'm not convinced they can accomplish that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Right? Get rid of a capable, high quality starter that you got to the SB with and replace him with quarterback garbage. That's how winning is done I guess.

How can he be capable and high quality if he's on the field 1/3 of the time? That's s**tty odds to hinge a season to.

The way he's going he's due for another healthy year

Touché lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
4,000 total yards 27TDs 5 INTs yr 1 coming out a air raid scheme in Baylor.

Yeah and no one is using RPOs in the NFL right now

Lance player in a pro-style offense as well. I'll take that over someone playing in a air raid/spread for 2 yrs.

Trey Lance played a year in college against a lower level of competition. He had a grand total of 288 passing attempts.

To put that into perspective, here are the total college passing attempts of other recently drafted top QB's

Tua-684 attempts
Herbert-1,294 attempts
Allen-649 attempts
Mahomes-1,349 attempts
Watson-1,207 attempts
Wentz-612 attempts
Burrows-945 attempts

Also, RG3-1,200 passing attempts

You're not throwing that guy out as a rookie starter unless you're just hopelessly desperate for a QB which the 49ers wouldn't be while retaining Garoppolo. Lance needs to sit, watch and learn. You throw a guy like that in too early and you risk ruining him altogether.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Trey Lance played a year in college against a lower level of competition. He had a grand total of 288 passing attempts.

To put that into perspective, here are the total college passing attempts of other recently drafted top QB's

Tua-684 attempts
Herbert-1,294 attempts
Allen-649 attempts
Mahomes-1,349 attempts
Watson-1,207 attempts
Wentz-612 attempts
Burrows-945 attempts

Also, RG3-1,200 passing attempts

You're not throwing that guy out as a rookie starter unless you're just hopelessly desperate for a QB which the 49ers wouldn't be while retaining Garoppolo. Lance needs to sit, watch and learn. You throw a guy like that in too early and you risk ruining him altogether.

Exactly right. He's gotta sit a year if they add him.

It's not about the offense you run in college, it's your actual playing time. A 21 year old kid with 14 career starts and 288 attempts just isn't ready to start in NFL. It's crazy talk.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
4,000 total yards 27TDs 5 INTs yr 1 coming out a air raid scheme in Baylor.

Yeah and no one is using RPOs in the NFL right now

Lance player in a pro-style offense as well. I'll take that over someone playing in a air raid/spread for 2 yrs.

Trey Lance played a year in college against a lower level of competition. He had a grand total of 288 passing attempts.

To put that into perspective, here are the total college passing attempts of other recently drafted top QB's

Tua-684 attempts
Herbert-1,294 attempts
Allen-649 attempts
Mahomes-1,349 attempts
Watson-1,207 attempts
Wentz-612 attempts
Burrows-945 attempts

Also, RG3-1,200 passing attempts

You're not throwing that guy out as a rookie starter unless you're just hopelessly desperate for a QB which the 49ers wouldn't be while retaining Garoppolo. Lance needs to sit, watch and learn. You throw a guy like that in too early and you risk ruining him altogether.

1000% accurate!!! Outside of Lawrence and MAYBE Fields there isn't a QB you can just throw in and let him ride it out on his rookie year.

Originally posted by irishluder:

1000% accurate!!! Outside of Lawrence and MAYBE Fields there isn't a QB you can just throw in and let him ride it out on his rookie year.

Lance's footwork under center is pretty advanced for a prospect, regardless of how many years they started. I don't think he's necessarily destined to hold a clip board for a year.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Trey Lance played a year in college against a lower level of competition. He had a grand total of 288 passing attempts.

To put that into perspective, here are the total college passing attempts of other recently drafted top QB's

Tua-684 attempts
Herbert-1,294 attempts
Allen-649 attempts
Mahomes-1,349 attempts
Watson-1,207 attempts
Wentz-612 attempts
Burrows-945 attempts

Also, RG3-1,200 passing attempts

You're not throwing that guy out as a rookie starter unless you're just hopelessly desperate for a QB which the 49ers wouldn't be while retaining Garoppolo. Lance needs to sit, watch and learn. You throw a guy like that in too early and you risk ruining him altogether.

The more experience a guy gets in college the better. But passing attempts isn't a great measure of how pro ready a guy is. Not all attempts are created equally. Is a guy dropping back and reading the defense on every play? Is he throwing a bunch of bubble screens or clearly defined targets?

Patrick Mahomes once attempted 88 passes in 1 game 😂

Damn, his lack of pass attempts is pretty scary. I posted about that a few pages back, too. He's a hard evaluation because there are games where he'll have only a handful of attempts.

No way this dude is ready to start. I think in a perfect world, Jimmy starts with Lance behind him. You could give him the Kaepernick treatment where he comes in for a play or two, but I don't know if Kyle would be open to that idea.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Damn, his lack of pass attempts is pretty scary. I posted about that a few pages back, too. He's a hard evaluation because there are games where he'll have only a handful of attempts.

No way this dude is ready to start. I think in a perfect world, Jimmy starts with Lance behind him. You could give him the Kaepernick treatment where he comes in for a play or two, but I don't know if Kyle would be open to that idea.

that's why I honestly think that when Bienemy lands the job in Atlanta, he will end up keeping Matt Ryan for another year and let Lance sit and learn the way Mahomes learned how to play QB in the NFL...

of course, it doesn't mean he'll be as good as Mahomes, because HONESTLY, I think if a QB has that IT in him, IT will find a way for that QB to become a STAR in this league..

.. AINT no coach out there that can develope any average QB into a GREAT ONE... it's either you have it or you don't... it's just a matter of time before that QB finds it in him..