Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

4,000 total yards 27TDs 5 INTs yr 1 coming out a air raid scheme in Baylor.

Yeah and no one is using RPOs in the NFL right now

Lance player in a pro-style offense as well. I'll take that over someone playing in a air raid/spread for 2 yrs.

Trey Lance played a year in college against a lower level of competition. He had a grand total of 288 passing attempts.

To put that into perspective, here are the total college passing attempts of other recently drafted top QB's

Tua-684 attempts
Herbert-1,294 attempts
Allen-649 attempts
Mahomes-1,349 attempts
Watson-1,207 attempts
Wentz-612 attempts
Burrows-945 attempts

Also, RG3-1,200 passing attempts

You're not throwing that guy out as a rookie starter unless you're just hopelessly desperate for a QB which the 49ers wouldn't be while retaining Garoppolo. Lance needs to sit, watch and learn. You throw a guy like that in too early and you risk ruining him altogether.

Great post.

I just dont see a world where we keep jimmy and draft a qb round 1. If we keep jimmy we have someone like Rosen as backup and see if we can run it back. If we draft wilson/Lance we cut/trade Jimmy G and use that money in FA. It wouldnt make sense to keep jimmy and then draft qb round 1, I mean its possible but it would be dumb and I would be afraid of future decisions from our FO lol

I think the issue for me is this, if we restructure jimmy we're tied to him longer, which I dont want because we'll be in a solid position to get either Wilson/Fields/Lance but if we dont restructure him we cant surround him with the pieces to make this team a SB contender because of his 24 mil cap hit.

We're all on the same page here that Jimmy cant carry the team on his back and hes more of a steady the ship kind of guy, right?

If we draft a QB and keep jimmy for a year that is saying it is a move for the future and I'm okay with it.

If they draft a QB and ship jimmy away that tells me they are looking to win now.

I think this roster is another full offseason away from being complete so adding a young QB this year while keeping jimmy wouldn't get a bad idea

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Trey Lance played a year in college against a lower level of competition. He had a grand total of 288 passing attempts.

To put that into perspective, here are the total college passing attempts of other recently drafted top QB's

Tua-684 attempts
Herbert-1,294 attempts
Allen-649 attempts
Mahomes-1,349 attempts
Watson-1,207 attempts
Wentz-612 attempts
Burrows-945 attempts

Also, RG3-1,200 passing attempts

You're not throwing that guy out as a rookie starter unless you're just hopelessly desperate for a QB which the 49ers wouldn't be while retaining Garoppolo. Lance needs to sit, watch and learn. You throw a guy like that in too early and you risk ruining him altogether.

Exactly right. He's gotta sit a year if they add him.

It's not about the offense you run in college, it's your actual playing time. A 21 year old kid with 14 career starts and 288 attempts just isn't ready to start in NFL. It's crazy talk.

He also played in a pro-style offense.

I could careless if Herbert got a million passes in that Oregon spread offense that doesn't really help in in regards to reading defense in the NFL. He's running a totally different offense currently. Watson was running a totally different offense.

His reps from an offenses perspective are quality reps, yes competition is an issue. Play calling and what he was asked to do is not.

Again there is no money, you say yeah well move around some money...show me what you move around to maintain the roster & keep Jimmy.

It's not there man. The financials aren't there...especially if you're talking about wanting to win a Super Bowl next yr. this roster will NOT be the same or even close to that 2019 roster in 2021 with Jimmy's money on the books.

SO IMO you either find some way to trade for Stafford (pipe dream imo) OR get a top end rookie who's got a high ceiling & have a top end roster around them...make a play to get into the playoffs anything after that is a crapshoot. Any given Sunday in the playoffs.

People need to realize that all the Super Bowl talk is pretty much done in 2021.

The money isn't there to maintain that 2019 roster....it's just not.

The future is what matters, I don't think they plan on drafting in the top 10 after this yr so go get your QB if you think he's a franchise caliber talent. Get some more talent around him and let him learn by playing.

Jimmy isn't gonna magically turn into Brady and will a much worse team to the Super Bowl, so why the f**k give him over $50M in cash the next 2 yrs?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People need to realize that all the Super Bowl talk is pretty much done in 2021.

The money isn't there to maintain that 2019 roster....it's just not.

The future is what matters, I don't think they plan on drafting in the top 10 after this yr so go get your QB if you think he's a franchise caliber talent. Get some more talent around him and let him learn by playing.

Jimmy isn't gonna magically turn into Brady and will a much worse team to the Super Bowl, so why the f**k give him over $50M in cash the next 2 yrs?

Jimmy does not have to be Brady, but he has to be "available." His contract is fair price for his talent, but when you factor in he is off the field 50% of the times the contract becomes brutal. Jimmy was injured in NE, he has been injured in SF. the ONE year he was healthy he went to the SB........ But then again Dilfer won a SB when the defesne is lights out and the ground game is on track

That being said, IF the 1st round qb is not an upgrade, I would rather trade down fill multiple holes, keep Jimmy and Rosen and draft a wild card developmental qb.

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People need to realize that all the Super Bowl talk is pretty much done in 2021.

The money isn't there to maintain that 2019 roster....it's just not.

The future is what matters, I don't think they plan on drafting in the top 10 after this yr so go get your QB if you think he's a franchise caliber talent. Get some more talent around him and let him learn by playing.

Jimmy isn't gonna magically turn into Brady and will a much worse team to the Super Bowl, so why the f**k give him over $50M in cash the next 2 yrs?

Jimmy does not have to be Brady, but he has to be "available." His contract is fair price for his talent, but when you factor in he is off the field 50% of the times the contract becomes brutal. Jimmy was injured in NE, he has been injured in SF. the ONE year he was healthy he went to the SB........ But then again Dilfer won a SB when the defesne is lights out and the ground game is on track

That being said, IF the 1st round qb is not an upgrade, I would rather trade down fill multiple holes, keep Jimmy and Rosen and draft a wild card developmental qb.

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

People need to realize that all the Super Bowl talk is pretty much done in 2021.

The money isn't there to maintain that 2019 roster....it's just not.

The future is what matters, I don't think they plan on drafting in the top 10 after this yr so go get your QB if you think he's a franchise caliber talent. Get some more talent around him and let him learn by playing.

Jimmy isn't gonna magically turn into Brady and will a much worse team to the Super Bowl, so why the f**k give him over $50M in cash the next 2 yrs?

Disagree there NY that SB is done in 21'. This treat is built to win now and in the future. Lombardi had a great piece on the financial aspect of it even if they keep
Jimmy and don't restructure.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People need to realize that all the Super Bowl talk is pretty much done in 2021.

The money isn't there to maintain that 2019 roster....it's just not.

The future is what matters, I don't think they plan on drafting in the top 10 after this yr so go get your QB if you think he's a franchise caliber talent. Get some more talent around him and let him learn by playing.

Jimmy isn't gonna magically turn into Brady and will a much worse team to the Super Bowl, so why the f**k give him over $50M in cash the next 2 yrs?

Disagree there NY that SB is done in 21'. This treat is built to win now and in the future. Lombardi had a great piece on the financial aspect of it even if they keep
Jimmy and don't restructure.

We'll see when all is said and done after free agency, but I do think the team has as good as shot as any to make a run. Saying the team is done is like there is just absolutely no chance they could make a run. There's still a lot of top talent under contract and depending on who we can bring back as well as the draft, why not? Now I doubt it will be anything like 2019 (meaning the team just goes out and destroys other teams week in and out) barring Jimmy making a HUGE leap in terms of making plays, but again, there's a chance. We have no idea what this offense will look like with a healthy Aiyuk, Samuel, Kittle and Mostert. Depending on where we are with O-line, I'd say that's a lot more formidable than the 2019 offense.

Originally posted by 9erred:

Jimmy does not have to be Brady, but he has to be "available." His contract is fair price for his talent, but when you factor in he is off the field 50% of the times the contract becomes brutal. Jimmy was injured in NE, he has been injured in SF. the ONE year he was healthy he went to the SB........ But then again Dilfer won a SB when the defesne is lights out and the ground game is on track

That being said, IF the 1st round qb is not an upgrade, I would rather trade down fill multiple holes, keep Jimmy and Rosen and draft a wild card developmental qb.

His talent is worth $137M? Wut? I'll disagree with that all day lol.

Actually he's gonna have to be Brady if he's gonna have a much worse team around him...he can't be just who he was last yr if everyone is expecting a Super Bowl.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Disagree there NY that SB is done in 21'. This treat is built to win now and in the future. Lombardi had a great piece on the financial aspect of it even if they keep
Jimmy and don't restructure.

This is what he said....

"That sets up the next equation: $38 million (estimated 2021 cap space) — $15 million (cumulative estimate of 2021 Williams/Warner cap hits) — $8 million (2021 draft class bill) = ~$15 million of remaining 2021 cap space.

There's very little breathing room with that estimate, which only accounts for a 43-man roster (it presumes that Williams and nine 2021 draftees will be under contract on top of the existing 33 players). It also doesn't factor in the cap buffer that the 49ers must establish before the 2021 season kicks off. They needed every bit of that cushion to execute in-season transactions in 2020."

Jimmy on the books in 2021 greatly reduces what they can do...even if they push a restructure and throw an extra voidable yr on the books. He's basically on 2 yrs worth of a tag...Once June 1st hits all that cash is gtd.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

We'll see when all is said and done after free agency, but I do think the team has as good as shot as any to make a run. Saying the team is done is like there is just absolutely no chance they could make a run. There's still a lot of top talent under contract and depending on who we can bring back as well as the draft, why not? Now I doubt it will be anything like 2019 (meaning the team just goes out and destroys other teams week in and out) barring Jimmy making a HUGE leap in terms of making plays, but again, there's a chance. We have no idea what this offense will look like with a healthy Aiyuk, Samuel, Kittle and Mostert. Depending on where we are with O-line, I'd say that's a lot more formidable than the 2019 offense.

Agreed. the depth won't be the same on defense, but that's where they need to hit on their draft picks and have some of these younger guys continue to grow into top shelf starters . Also agree that the offense should be more potent if they can shore some things up inside

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Disagree there NY that SB is done in 21'. This treat is built to win now and in the future. Lombardi had a great piece on the financial aspect of it even if they keep
Jimmy and don't restructure.

This is what he said....

"That sets up the next equation: $38 million (estimated 2021 cap space) — $15 million (cumulative estimate of 2021 Williams/Warner cap hits) — $8 million (2021 draft class bill) = ~$15 million of remaining 2021 cap space.

There's very little breathing room with that estimate, which only accounts for a 43-man roster (it presumes that Williams and nine 2021 draftees will be under contract on top of the existing 33 players). It also doesn't factor in the cap buffer that the 49ers must establish before the 2021 season kicks off. They needed every bit of that cushion to execute in-season transactions in 2020."

Jimmy on the books in 2021 greatly reduces what they can do...even if they push a restructure and throw an extra voidable yr on the books. He's basically on 2 yrs worth of a tag...Once June 1st hits all that cash is gtd.

Did you read the entire article? He went into great detail to show it is absolutely doable. It's not going to be easy, but it can be done without them compromising themselves or having to rely on a rookie in 21'. Between the cuts of guys like Ford/Richburg which puts them at about 50 and then converting money for guys like Williams as signing bonuses and a few other things, I came out of that article feeling a whole lot better about their financial situation going into the offseason tbh

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Disagree there NY that SB is done in 21'. This treat is built to win now and in the future. Lombardi had a great piece on the financial aspect of it even if they keep
Jimmy and don't restructure.

This is what he said....

"That sets up the next equation: $38 million (estimated 2021 cap space) — $15 million (cumulative estimate of 2021 Williams/Warner cap hits) — $8 million (2021 draft class bill) = ~$15 million of remaining 2021 cap space.

There's very little breathing room with that estimate, which only accounts for a 43-man roster (it presumes that Williams and nine 2021 draftees will be under contract on top of the existing 33 players). It also doesn't factor in the cap buffer that the 49ers must establish before the 2021 season kicks off. They needed every bit of that cushion to execute in-season transactions in 2020."

Jimmy on the books in 2021 greatly reduces what they can do...even if they push a restructure and throw an extra voidable yr on the books. He's basically on 2 yrs worth of a tag...Once June 1st hits all that cash is gtd.

Did you read the entire article? He went into great detail to show it is absolutely doable. It's not going to be easy, but it can be done without them compromising themselves or having to rely on a rookie in 21'. Between the cuts of guys like Ford/Richburg which puts them at about 50 and then converting money for guys like Williams as signing bonuses and a few other things, I came out of that article feeling s evoke lot better about their financial situation going into the offseason tbh

Yup.