Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The future is what matters, I don't think they plan on drafting in the top 10 after this yr so go get your QB if you think he's a franchise caliber talent. Get some more talent around him and let him learn by playing.

That is what should be driving the decision. It is clear there are some very good QBs out there after Lawrence, so put together whatever package you must in order to move up and get your guy. Ideally, he sits behind JG for a year, but if not, you have to roll with what you have.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Did you read the entire article? He went into great detail to show it is absolutely doable. It's not going to be easy, but it can be done without them compromising themselves or having to rely on a rookie in 21'. Between the cuts of guys like Ford/Richburg which puts them at about 50 and then converting money for guys like Williams as signing bonuses and a few other things, I came out of that article feeling a whole lot better about their financial situation going into the offseason tbh

Yeah I read it.

Those cuts are part of the $38M he was talking at the end. I posted that last paragraph because that's with everything he was talking about..,,Just between giving Warner/TW a extension an the rookie cap pool, they're left with like $15M above the cap...that's also without having to replace center and edge whom you cut, not reigning juice, no kicker, and having any CBs etc
...

Edit: maybe the cuts don't account at the end...still I don't see SF cutting Ford and eating $25M over the next 2 yrs. june first cut makes more sense.

I've lost a lot of respect for Lombardi over the course of this season...I've caught him in a straight up lie when he was pushing his Jimmy love. He throws out some numbers and doesn't expect fans to actually look them up lol.

We will see...even with $25M left in cap space after TW/Warner signings (and they cut Weston/Ford) that's not much cash to keep this squad together and actually upgrade

^ the cuts were not a part of the 38. Credits, roller over etc were all factored into the 38
He was just taking #s from other cap sites, so he really can't take too many liberties with them.
We shall see.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
^ the cuts were not a part of the 38. Credits, roller over etc were all factored into the 38
He was just taking #s from other cap sites, so he really can't take too many liberties with them.
We shall see.

Gotcha….so with Ford/Richburg cut (around $11M) and a supposed $38M (we will see about that) That would be $49M.

Now toss in Rookie contracts ($8M) and TW/Warner extensions for 2021 ($15 millionish) That's $23M gone right there from that $49M, which leaves them $26M to replace/upgrade/resign the following: (plus the team usually like to roll into the season with around $10-$15M to have for in-season expenses god knows we've needed it)

-Every CB position (usually have around 6 guys)
-center (and backup center)
-EDGE with Ford gone (and backups/depth)
-WR only have Deebo/Aiuyk/Jennings/James/Hurd on the roster (usually have 5/6 active) need depth.
-FB
-backup TE (only Kittle/Woerner on the roster)
-backup safety (if we're assuming Moore/Ward are the starters)
-backup QB
-kicker

and that's not even talking about wanting to actually upgrade....yes draft picks will help a little, BUT IMO that doesn't paint some amazing picture for 2021.

Some real tough decisions will need to be made. We will see

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ the cuts were not a part of the 38. Credits, roller over etc were all factored into the 38
He was just taking #s from other cap sites, so he really can't take too many liberties with them.
We shall see.

Gotcha….so with Ford/Richburg cut (around $11M) and a supposed $38M (we will see about that) That would be $49M.

Now toss in Rookie contracts ($8M) and TW/Warner extensions for 2021 ($15 millionish) That's $23M gone right there from that $49M, which leaves them $26M to replace/upgrade/resign the following: (plus the team usually like to roll into the season with around $10-$15M to have for in-season expenses god knows we've needed it)

-Every CB position (usually have around 6 guys)
-center (and backup center)
-EDGE with Ford gone (and backups/depth)
-WR only have Deebo/Aiuyk/Jennings/James/Hurd on the roster (usually have 5/6 active) need depth.
-FB
-backup TE (only Kittle/Woerner on the roster)
-backup safety (if we're assuming Moore/Ward are the starters)
-backup QB
-kicker

and that's not even talking about wanting to actually upgrade....yes draft picks will help a little, BUT IMO that doesn't paint some amazing picture for 2021.

Some real tough decisions will need to be made. We will see

As long as those tough decisions lead to TW and JV extended I'll be happy

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Yeah I read it.

Those cuts are part of the $38M he was talking at the end. I posted that last paragraph because that's with everything he was talking about..,,Just between giving Warner/TW a extension an the rookie cap pool, they're left with like $15M above the cap...that's also without having to replace center and edge whom you cut, not reigning juice, no kicker, and having any CBs etc
...

Edit: maybe the cuts don't account at the end...still I don't see SF cutting Ford and eating $25M over the next 2 yrs. june first cut makes more sense.

I've lost a lot of respect for Lombardi over the course of this season...I've caught him in a straight up lie when he was pushing his Jimmy love. He throws out some numbers and doesn't expect fans to actually look them up lol.

We will see...even with $25M left in cap space after TW/Warner signings (and they cut Weston/Ford) that's not much cash to keep this squad together and actually upgrade

Lombardi's Jimmy G fetish has been off the hook this year. Bashes anyone who doesn't think he's amazing by saying they don't understand nuance. But his idea of nuance is posting every obscure analytic that favors JG while ignoring the ones that don't. I'd almost rather read a Cohn article at this point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He also played in a pro-style offense.

Really doesn't matter much when we're talking about so few reps, especially against a lower level of competition. This is not a guy that has seen a huge variety of exotic blitzes and coverage looks, his experience dropping back is more limited than any other top QB prospect in the past 20 years. The only ones I found that came close to his limited experience as a passer were Kyler Murray and Mitch Trubisky and both had over 500 passing attempts in college.

He's obviously got a lot of talent and upside but a team that drafts him and throws him out there to play immediately as a rookie is more likely to wind up ruining the guy than realizing his potential as a franchise QB. Defensive coordinators would be licking their lips to throw the kitchen sink at him. If he goes to a team where he's expected to start immediately, I suspect that five years from now we'll be hearing people talk about him as "1st round bust Trey Lance." His perfect situation would be akin to that of Jordan Love with the Packers. Sitting behind a top veteran QB for at least a year, preferably two but at minimum he needs to be able to just sit for awhile, study the different coverage looks and learn from whatever QB is in front of him on how to handle everything the NFL has to throw at a quarterback.

Honestly his best place might be the Falcons, sitting behind Matt Ryan for a year or two but if it were to be the 49ers then sitting behind Garoppolo for a season certainly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

The thing that worries me about this guy is the Wentz thing. Thinks he can run over fools.

Edit nm that abandons the pass too quickly comment. Im wrong on that seems like he hangs in the pocket on 2nd look

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Really doesn't matter much when we're talking about so few reps, especially against a lower level of competition. This is not a guy that has seen a huge variety of exotic blitzes and coverage looks, his experience dropping back is more limited than any other top QB prospect in the past 20 years. The only ones I found that came close to his limited experience as a passer were Kyler Murray and Mitch Trubisky and both had over 500 passing attempts in college.

He's obviously got a lot of talent and upside but a team that drafts him and throws him out there to play immediately as a rookie is more likely to wind up ruining the guy than realizing his potential as a franchise QB. Defensive coordinators would be licking their lips to throw the kitchen sink at him. If he goes to a team where he's expected to start immediately, I suspect that five years from now we'll be hearing people talk about him as "1st round bust Trey Lance." His perfect situation would be akin to that of Jordan Love with the Packers. Sitting behind a top veteran QB for at least a year, preferably two but at minimum he needs to be able to just sit for awhile, study the different coverage looks and learn from whatever QB is in front of him on how to handle everything the NFL has to throw at a quarterback.

Honestly his best place might be the Falcons, sitting behind Matt Ryan for a year or two but if it were to be the 49ers then sitting behind Garoppolo for a season certainly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

Lol none of those guys are seeing exotic blitzes or asked to do a ton overall.

Mayfield played in a s**t ton of air raid/spread offenses vs the s**tty big 12 defense. Went #1.

Yes ideally you let him sit, I wouldn't be shocked if he can come in and play yr 1. The league if different now, dude can do exactly what RG3 did yr 1 and from everything I've read is smart and all about football.

Again it comes down to money with Jimmy....if you can't put together a top 10 roster around him, I see no point in giving him the rest of his salary...$137M lol gross.

Originally posted by Sunshine:
Lombardi's Jimmy G fetish has been off the hook this year. Bashes anyone who doesn't think he's amazing by saying they don't understand nuance. But his idea of nuance is posting every obscure analytic that favors JG while ignoring the ones that don't. I'd almost rather read a Cohn article at this point.

Some people just hate it when the reporter doesn't agree with their point of view. or isn't all fire and brimstone about a player.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Lombardi's Jimmy G fetish has been off the hook this year. Bashes anyone who doesn't think he's amazing by saying they don't understand nuance. But his idea of nuance is posting every obscure analytic that favors JG while ignoring the ones that don't. I'd almost rather read a Cohn article at this point.

Some people just hate it when the reporter doesn't agree with their point of view. or isn't all fire and brimstone about a player.

Or throwing out subject stats to push a narrative. It's okay to admit flaws on a player instead of blaming everything single thing outside of his own damn play.

This guy is overrated.. He throws deep to wide open receivers. He is not accurate. I haven't seen him go through progressions or read the defense. This video is all need to see. Yeah he is athletic, but that is not enough.

I hate to break it to some of you, but this team is not in win it now mode considering half of our team is gone after this season. I don't see how trusting a rookie QB with a roster that more closely resembles our super bowl roster is considered less reliable than trusting Jimmy garoppolo with a considerably worse roster around him. you either sink or swim with Jimmy or sink or swim with a rookie who you expect to start from day one.

I'm with NY on this one with regards to the cap situation. The only big contracts that we actually have on the books are for Ford, Richburg, garoppolo, armstead, and Ward. Releasing Ford and Richburg only gives us just over 11 million in cap of which eight or nine will go directly to our incoming draft class. Armstead and Ward are unlikely to restructure considering they just got their deals. You could try to extend McGlinchey and cut laken Tomlinson, now you're just making a current weakness even more of a weakness. Everyone else on the roster has a contract so small you're only saving pennies by moving the money around. Were the expenses are coming in is resigning our free agents at key positions. We need to sign a veteran center, Trent Williams, and at least two of our cornerbacks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Gotcha….so with Ford/Richburg cut (around $11M) and a supposed $38M (we will see about that) That would be $49M.

Now toss in Rookie contracts ($8M) and TW/Warner extensions for 2021 ($15 millionish) That's $23M gone right there from that $49M, which leaves them $26M to replace/upgrade/resign the following: (plus the team usually like to roll into the season with around $10-$15M to have for in-season expenses god knows we've needed it)

-Every CB position (usually have around 6 guys)
-center (and backup center)
-EDGE with Ford gone (and backups/depth)
-WR only have Deebo/Aiuyk/Jennings/James/Hurd on the roster (usually have 5/6 active) need depth.
-FB
-backup TE (only Kittle/Woerner on the roster)
-backup safety (if we're assuming Moore/Ward are the starters)
-backup QB
-kicker

and that's not even talking about wanting to actually upgrade....yes draft picks will help a little, BUT IMO that doesn't paint some amazing picture for 2021.

Some real tough decisions will need to be made. We will see

Why do you have Warner counting against the cap for 2021 if his extension kicks in 2022

Trey lance reminds me of what I put in the toilet this morning.