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Trey Lance QB NDSU

Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think the amount of snaps under center is a big deal. It's not like these QBs can't learn it.

Some have problems with that because they have to turn their back on the line of scrimmage for a second or two. During that time the defense can change from what he saw during the pre snap read. I like Lance for the potential that he brings. I want to see some excitement again instead of a steady diet of 5-10 yard passes over the middle. I know they'll still run that style of offense most of the time but it would be nice to see an occasional scramble that nets 12 yards on a third down. Maybe a sudden strike downfield to a receive rthat breaks coverage after the QB moves away from the rush. Two or 3 times a game can make a difference.
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think the amount of snaps under center is a big deal. It's not like these QBs can't learn it.

All the Bama QBs practice taking snaps from under center in practice, too. Mac looked comfortable from under center at the Senior Bowl as well.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Simms confirms it's Adam Peters leading the charge for Trey Lance


Hmm seems like it is the Shanahan (probably mike) playing politics by leaking stuff to the media.

Kyle needs to stay in his lane. Coach the players. Why even have Adam in the FO if you're not gonna let him evaluate.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

you'd think it wouldn't be this difficult

They meant skin color, not ability.

I think it's the other way around. Fans want the skin color. Shanahan, on the other hand, wants the guy that's gonna make Shanahan look like a superstar (as opposed to an actual superstar player).

Yea? I think most fans here would be happy with Fields or Lawrence or Wilson or even Lance. Shanahan is the one that only ever seems to choose QBs of a certain skintone.

Shanahan has literally only drafted one QB, and fought for another (Cousins). He traded for Jimmy because the Patriots offered.

He also signed Josh Johnson.

This take is lazy. It's more than lazy. It's f**king stupid.

Oh wow, he signed Josh Johnson. The fourth QB on the depth chart. That refutes any possibility of bias.

C'mon man, before you have a stroke over the slightest possibility of racial bias taking a role, maybe consider you're the one that first claimed that the fans want a QB based purely on race and that Shanahan doesn't care. Meanwhile, Shanahan didn't want RG3, didn't want Kaepernick, didn't want Watson, didn't want Mahomes, didn't want Fields, doesn't want Lance. Any one of those individually could easily be justified or explained, but the trend is there and cannot be refuted by merely pointing at Josh Johnson, a guy that will never play.

Can we get a facepalm emoji?

(1) He didn't want Kap. And he didn't want Gabbert either. Both mobile QBs who struggled with on time pocket passing.

(2) RGIII SUCKS! He was right then and he was right now. As soon as teams started scheming for the zone read he disappeared into nothing. Kind of like what happened with Kap.

(3) The 49ers were interested in Watson actually. But to them Cousins was a done deal.

(4) Most of the people HERE didn't want Mahomes either.

(5) Fields runs a college version of the run and shoot. It is clear why Shanahan wouldn't want him.

(6) The team may well pick Lance. But he has accuracy problems. That's a fact.

Lastly, HOW MANY WHITE QBS DID THEY PASS TO TAKE BEATHARD? They picked Beathard because Shanahan has a type. The type is not "white QB." The type is "pocket QB who doesn't bail on the play with his legs.

Your. Take. Is. STUPID.
So much hype for a raw talent that needs 1-2 years to groom because he gets compared to a player a lot of NFL fans and twitter GMs thought would bust

not buying the Tray Lance hype AT ALL
[ Edited by Aj_hwd954 on Apr 26, 2021 at 11:33 AM ]
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think the amount of snaps under center is a big deal. It's not like these QBs can't learn it.

All the Bama QBs practice taking snaps from under center in practice, too. Mac looked comfortable from under center at the Senior Bowl as well.


Now turn your back on PA. f**k McCorkle lol
Originally posted by rathman4481:
Why would we have jimmy start lol. He can't stay healthy and is above average at best. His first bad read or errant pass will have the crowd chanting Lance/Fields.

Jimmy took us to the Super Bowl the last time we had a healthy season from the roster. Why on earth would they start a rookie week one?

"Hey vets, I know we have a SB contending roster, but were switching things up and going to make this a QB development year. You know, because Jimmy could get hurt again if he plays."

Yeah, that'll go over GREAT with the current team.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Now turn your back on PA. f**k McCorkle lol

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

you'd think it wouldn't be this difficult

They meant skin color, not ability.

I think it's the other way around. Fans want the skin color. Shanahan, on the other hand, wants the guy that's gonna make Shanahan look like a superstar (as opposed to an actual superstar player).

Yea? I think most fans here would be happy with Fields or Lawrence or Wilson or even Lance. Shanahan is the one that only ever seems to choose QBs of a certain skintone.

Shanahan has literally only drafted one QB, and fought for another (Cousins). He traded for Jimmy because the Patriots offered.

He also signed Josh Johnson.

This take is lazy. It's more than lazy. It's f**king stupid.

Oh wow, he signed Josh Johnson. The fourth QB on the depth chart. That refutes any possibility of bias.

C'mon man, before you have a stroke over the slightest possibility of racial bias taking a role, maybe consider you're the one that first claimed that the fans want a QB based purely on race and that Shanahan doesn't care. Meanwhile, Shanahan didn't want RG3, didn't want Kaepernick, didn't want Watson, didn't want Mahomes, didn't want Fields, doesn't want Lance. Any one of those individually could easily be justified or explained, but the trend is there and cannot be refuted by merely pointing at Josh Johnson, a guy that will never play.

I can't wait to see the race card getting used as an excuse on draft day, Kyle Shannahan is a racist!....Dr JT would be proud.

I'm not even accusing Shanahan of being racist. I'm just open to the possibility that racial bias could play a role in how one evaluates players. It was absurd for that poster to claim that the fans, and not possibly Shanahan, are the ones clamoring for a certain QB based on their race when the vast majority of fans would likely be happy with any one of Fields, Lawrence, or Wilson.

It's way less absurd. Shanahan passed on several white QBs to take Beathard.

There is a pattern, and the pattern is bias against prospects who default to their legs before exhausting all outs built into the play.

The very same reason they were going to release Kap is the same reason they weren't clamoring to re-sign Gabbert, yet they went out of their way to sign an equally s**tty — maybe even MORE s**tty — QB. Shanahan doesn't like guys who bail on the play before all built-in options are exhausted. That's his type, and it's why Jones is the most likely pick. Lance is in the conversation because of the under center stuff he ran. Fields is out because Fields has little experience with pro-style concepts, while Lance AND JONES have more (Sarkesian has lots of pro-style concepts in his drop back game; NDSU has lots of pro-style formations and PA concepts).

People assume it's race because race dominates their world view. I'm not disparaging that, since that is exactly what you'd expect from someone who has experienced the racist atrocities that are so deeply ingrained in American history and contemporary American life. But that doesn't mean they're right. They're 100% NOT right.

Shanahan wants a guy who will exhaust all built-in outs in the play before bailing on it. That's his type, and it's always been his type.
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Simms confirms it's Adam Peters leading the charge for Trey Lance


Hmm seems like it is the Shanahan (probably mike) playing politics by leaking stuff to the media.

Kyle needs to stay in his lane. Coach the players. Why even have Adam in the FO if you're not gonna let him evaluate.

So the guy who's made some of the best picks likes Lance....yeah let's not listen to the top evaluator that you just promoted and are paying a f**k ton of cash.

reports Lynch loves Lance too. Kyle must be stopped lol. Be a HC not a GM
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Now turn your back on PA. f**k McCorkle lol


you could say that for about 70% of the fan base all the same...this kid is gonna get booed so bad.

i have no idea why people are so confident in Kyle when it comes to evaluating...he hasn't proven to be great at it.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Apr 26, 2021 at 11:25 AM ]
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

you'd think it wouldn't be this difficult

They meant skin color, not ability.

I think it's the other way around. Fans want the skin color. Shanahan, on the other hand, wants the guy that's gonna make Shanahan look like a superstar (as opposed to an actual superstar player).

Yea? I think most fans here would be happy with Fields or Lawrence or Wilson or even Lance. Shanahan is the one that only ever seems to choose QBs of a certain skintone.

Shanahan has literally only drafted one QB, and fought for another (Cousins). He traded for Jimmy because the Patriots offered.

He also signed Josh Johnson.

This take is lazy. It's more than lazy. It's f**king stupid.

Oh wow, he signed Josh Johnson. The fourth QB on the depth chart. That refutes any possibility of bias.

C'mon man, before you have a stroke over the slightest possibility of racial bias taking a role, maybe consider you're the one that first claimed that the fans want a QB based purely on race and that Shanahan doesn't care. Meanwhile, Shanahan didn't want RG3, didn't want Kaepernick, didn't want Watson, didn't want Mahomes, didn't want Fields, doesn't want Lance. Any one of those individually could easily be justified or explained, but the trend is there and cannot be refuted by merely pointing at Josh Johnson, a guy that will never play.

Can we get a facepalm emoji?

(1) He didn't want Kap. And he didn't want Gabbert either. Both mobile QBs who struggled with on time pocket passing.

(2) RGIII SUCKS! He was right then and he was right now. As soon as teams started scheming for the zone read he disappeared into nothing. Kind of like what happened with Kap.

(3) The 49ers were interested in Watson actually. But to them Cousins was a done deal.

(4) Most of the people HERE didn't want Mahomes either.

(5) Fields runs a college version of the run and shoot. It is clear why Shanahan wouldn't want him.

(6) The team may well pick Lance. But he has accuracy problems. That's a fact.

Lastly, HOW MANY WHITE QBS DID THEY PASS TO TAKE BEATHARD? They picked Beathard because Shanahan has a type. The type is not "white QB." The type is "pocket QB who doesn't bail on the play with his legs.

Your. Take. Is. STUPID.

Ok, dude. You accused 49er fans of wanting the next QB based on race and then act silly when shown how that made no sense. I didn't even say Shanahan was racist, but pointed out how if anything, his long history of preferring a certain type of QB reflects more of a bias than whatever nonsense you were claiming. Your points to refute that make zero sense, which you probably know (a racial bias means they have to take the first white QB possible? What ). But whatever, I've clearly touched a nerve, so I'll drop it.
[ Edited by 49ersRing on Apr 26, 2021 at 11:27 AM ]
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
So much hype for a project player that needs 1-2 years to groom because he gets compared to a player a lot of NFL fans and twitter GMs thought would bust

not buying the Tray Lance hype AT ALL

I just can't imagine how he is ahead of Justin Fields as of right now. There is just no way. Future projection and upside potential? That's anybodies guess. You could throw a dart at a dart board. QB's are the biggest crap shoot in the whole draft. You have no idea what will happen and the experts often get it wrong. They are more wrong than right.
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Apr 26, 2021 at 11:26 AM ]
Originally posted by Heroism:
All the Bama QBs practice taking snaps from under center in practice, too. Mac looked comfortable from under center at the Senior Bowl as well.


We're talking about a difference of 3-4 games worth of snaps working under center. That isn't going to make or break any of these guys. I don't see a single one of them having any issue playing under center.
If we have a guy like Jimmy still on the team, it just makes so much more sense to draft Lance. They said they're keeping Jimmy, so draft Lance.
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