Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by Misfit_Niner540:

You have got to be kidding me! First off, way to retract and recant impressive. Secondly, I can't go any further with this discussion if you truly believe everything you say.
You think it's realistic to diagnose an NFL defense presnap, decipher whose dropping, whose coming and where from. Then stare down receivers waiting for them to "inevitably" get open??
You gotta realize, as i pointed out already, this is the NFL. Not the FCS.... the speed of pro defenders alone is gonna have this dudes head spinning. If he's not crushed by a f**king edge rusher first, safeties are gonna watch his eyes and break on passes from 10 plus yards away. Its gonna be picks a plenty.

Don't take my word for it though, it's obvious you're a fan. Let's just wait and see how much "dropping it in the bucket" he's doing come the next year or 2.

Not sure why but this literally made me LOL

1. I think Trey Lance will be available to pick 12.
2. Just don't see the Niners drafting him as Kyle will want a Matt Ryan type who excels are making quick accurate throws.

Other teams will be knocking on our door for a trade up which we'll gladly take...Just my prediction!

Originally posted by Misfit_Niner540:

You have got to be kidding me! First off, way to retract and recant impressive. Secondly, I can't go any further with this discussion if you truly believe everything you say.
You think it's realistic to diagnose an NFL defense presnap, decipher whose dropping, whose coming and where from. Then stare down receivers waiting for them to "inevitably" get open??
You gotta realize, as i pointed out already, this is the NFL. Not the FCS.... the speed of pro defenders alone is gonna have this dudes head spinning. If he's not crushed by a f**king edge rusher first, safeties are gonna watch his eyes and break on passes from 10 plus yards away. Its gonna be picks a plenty.

Don't take my word for it though, it's obvious you're a fan. Let's just wait and see how much "dropping it in the bucket" he's doing come the next year or 2.

Not sure what I'm retracting or recanting lmao, and now I'm sure you're opinion is based off of a YouTube highlight video. Also, I have no idea what you're talking about - he hasn't had to diagnose an NFL defense. ..because ....get this...he's not in the NFL. You shouldnt confuse what he is not asked to do with what he can't do. I simply raised the question, is it possible that he read the COLLEGE defense and is asked to predetermine his read?

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Not sure what I'm retracting or recanting lmao, and now I'm sure you're opinion is based off of a YouTube highlight video. Also, I have no idea what you're talking about - he hasn't had to diagnose an NFL defense. ..because ....get this...he's not in the NFL. You shouldnt confuse what he is not asked to do with what he can't do. I simply raised the question, is it possible that he read the COLLEGE defense and is asked to predetermine his read?

Well you completely ignored the fact that he's faced no substantial competition. I know he has nothing to do with that other than choosing to attend NDSU, a factor nonetheless.
And how can you assume I'm basing my opinion off of this one YouTube video? I'm a married man, do you realize how much toilet phoning i do?? I've watched a couple reels and a few quarters of game action. I'm telling you I've seen enough to hope and pray we don't pick him at 12. Round 2(maybe) or 3?? I'm in... not at 12.
Other than that, you're kinda proving my point with me. By highlighting the fact it's a COLLEGE defense, you're admitting he can get away with doing dumb s**t and being a sub par QB, right? So you're absolutely spot on, he hasn't had to diagnose an NFL defense because he's not in the NFL! Cris Collinsworth couldn't have said it better himself.
The (25)million dollar question is can he? Does he possess the traits and abilities to be considered a top 15 pick? NO

Originally posted by Misfit_Niner540:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Not sure what I'm retracting or recanting lmao, and now I'm sure you're opinion is based off of a YouTube highlight video. Also, I have no idea what you're talking about - he hasn't had to diagnose an NFL defense. ..because ....get this...he's not in the NFL. You shouldnt confuse what he is not asked to do with what he can't do. I simply raised the question, is it possible that he read the COLLEGE defense and is asked to predetermine his read?

Well you completely ignored the fact that he's faced no substantial competition. I know he has nothing to do with that other than choosing to attend SDSU, a factor nonetheless.
And how can you assume I'm basing my opinion off of this one YouTube video? I'm a married man, do you realize how much toilet phoning i do?? I've watched a couple reels and a few quarters of game action. I'm telling you I've seen enough to hope and pray we don't pick him at 12. Round 2(maybe) or 3?? I'm in... not at 12.
Other than that, you're kinda proving my point with me. By highlighting the fact it's a COLLEGE defense, you're admitting he can get away with doing dumb s**t and being a sub par QB, right? So you're absolutely spot on, he hasn't had to diagnose an NFL defense because he's not in the NFL! Cris Collinsworth couldn't have said it better himself.
The (25)million dollar question is can he? Does he possess the traits and abilities to be considered a top 15 pick? NO

Trey Lance sucks bc I toilet phone scouted him

Originally posted by pete98146:
1. I think Trey Lance will be available to pick 12.
2. Just don't see the Niners drafting him as Kyle will want a Matt Ryan type who excels are making quick accurate throws.

Other teams will be knocking on our door for a trade up which we'll gladly take...Just my prediction!

Didn't Kyle apparently like Josh Allen back in 2017 and he didn't declare? That's kind of what he hinted at before the Buffalo game. If true then I could certainly see him liking Lance's raw upside and tools. Yeah, he maybe has a type but talent is talent when it's all said and done. I don't see why Lance can't make the quick throws he wants, plus a whole lot more that he simply can't do right now with his current stable of QBs.

Just seen on IG he's being compared to Watson, is that even close ? I know nothing about Lance.

Originally posted by Misfit_Niner540:

Well you completely ignored the fact that he's faced no substantial competition. I know he has nothing to do with that other than choosing to attend SDSU, a factor nonetheless.
And how can you assume I'm basing my opinion off of this one YouTube video? I'm a married man, do you realize how much toilet phoning i do?? I've watched a couple reels and a few quarters of game action. I'm telling you I've seen enough to hope and pray we don't pick him at 12. Round 2(maybe) or 3?? I'm in... not at 12.
Other than that, you're kinda proving my point with me. By highlighting the fact it's a COLLEGE defense, you're admitting he can get away with doing dumb s**t and being a sub par QB, right? So you're absolutely spot on, he hasn't had to diagnose an NFL defense because he's not in the NFL! Cris Collinsworth couldn't have said it better himself.
The (25)million dollar question is can he? Does he possess the traits and abilities to be considered a top 15 pick? NO

Your only support of the bold is a YouTube highlight video, and both him not at least possessing traits to suggest that he can read a defense (hint, he can, and pretty well for a guy with as little starts as he has) and him not being considered a top 15 pick are both false

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Trey Lance sucks bc I toilet phone scouted him

Trey Lance is great because I toilet phone scouted him.

Works both ways

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Not sure what I'm retracting or recanting lmao, and now I'm sure you're opinion is based off of a YouTube highlight video. Also, I have no idea what you're talking about - he hasn't had to diagnose an NFL defense. ..because ....get this...he's not in the NFL. You shouldnt confuse what he is not asked to do with what he can't do. I simply raised the question, is it possible that he read the COLLEGE defense and is asked to predetermine his read?

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Your only support of the bold is a YouTube highlight video, and both him not at least possessing traits to suggest that he can read a defense (hint, he can, and pretty well for a guy with as little starts as he has) and him not being considered a top 15 pick are both false

Talking out of both ends.... we're really kicking the horse at this point.
You like Lance at 12, I like him in the second or third round. I'd rather take Newman in the 4th and fill more appropriate needs.

Originally posted by Misfit_Niner540:

Well you completely ignored the fact that he's faced no substantial competition. I know he has nothing to do with that other than choosing to attend SDSU, a factor nonetheless.
And how can you assume I'm basing my opinion off of this one YouTube video? I'm a married man, do you realize how much toilet phoning i do?? I've watched a couple reels and a few quarters of game action. I'm telling you I've seen enough to hope and pray we don't pick him at 12. Round 2(maybe) or 3?? I'm in... not at 12.
Other than that, you're kinda proving my point with me. By highlighting the fact it's a COLLEGE defense, you're admitting he can get away with doing dumb s**t and being a sub par QB, right? So you're absolutely spot on, he hasn't had to diagnose an NFL defense because he's not in the NFL! Cris Collinsworth couldn't have said it better himself.
The (25)million dollar question is can he? Does he possess the traits and abilities to be considered a top 15 pick? NO

Does he possess the traits and abilities of a top 15 pick? Absolutely he does. He can be the best QB in the class if he puts it all together. Will he and can he is the better question

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Trey Lance sucks bc I toilet phone scouted him

Trey Lance is great because I toilet phone scouted him.

Works both ways

Seriously...
It's an opinion piece from a Joe nobody. Am I supposed to be in the film room? Unfortunately I don't work a desk job and can't scout prospects on company time.
It's all good though, I could watch ALL 17 Trey Lance games between now and the draft and most likely stand pat.

Originally posted by Misfit_Niner540:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Trey Lance sucks bc I toilet phone scouted him

Trey Lance is great because I toilet phone scouted him.

Works both ways

Seriously...
It's an opinion piece from a Joe nobody. Am I supposed to be in the film room? Unfortunately I don't work a desk job and can't scout prospects on company time.
It's all good though, I could watch ALL 17 Trey Lance games between now and the draft and most likely stand pat.

Not saying you should watch more or anything like that. It was just a funny statement considering how confident you are in your assessment of him.

Fact is, if you don't know what to look for it doesn't matter how much tape you watch (general you, not talking about you specifically). I really like what I've seen from Lance and scouts seem to be high on him 🤷🏼‍♂️

We'll see how it all plays out. Whoever the 49ers take, QB or not, the homer in me will be convinced that was the best pick and I'll be excited to root him on.

Originally posted by Misfit_Niner540:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Not sure what I'm retracting or recanting lmao, and now I'm sure you're opinion is based off of a YouTube highlight video. Also, I have no idea what you're talking about - he hasn't had to diagnose an NFL defense. ..because ....get this...he's not in the NFL. You shouldnt confuse what he is not asked to do with what he can't do. I simply raised the question, is it possible that he read the COLLEGE defense and is asked to predetermine his read?

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Your only support of the bold is a YouTube highlight video, and both him not at least possessing traits to suggest that he can read a defense (hint, he can, and pretty well for a guy with as little starts as he has) and him not being considered a top 15 pick are both false

Talking out of both ends.... we're really kicking the horse at this point.
You like Lance at 12, I like him in the second or third round. I'd rather take Newman in the 4th and fill more appropriate needs.

How is that talking out of both ends, lol. Again, you have a YouTube highlight video as evidence that he can't read a defense, because he stared down his 1st receiver on a handful of deep throws, despite not knowing what was asked of him, nor what he saw presnap. I can say that there are instances where he forgoes the layup to try and (wrongfully) get the big play, but in direct refute to your original post, we have no idea if he saw a mismatch presnap, if he saw his receiver beat his man at the line, or if his coach called a coverage beater and told him to hit the deep ball. We do know that his team runs a lot of mirror concepts and ask him to only read half of the field, likely because of his lack of experience.

That said, I too went to the toilet and typed in trey Lance full game on YouTube and the first game to pop up was vs south Dakota state in 2019. I do tend to take long poops, but without taking the time to try and decipher coverages, without taking the time to try and decipher route concepts to know the correct order of the reads, and without endzone view to be able to see his eyes and subtle head movements, I watched each pass play to see if he stared down his 1st read. Keep in mind, I am not accounting for situation, such as a designed read in the redzone. Also not accounting for the duration of time from snap to throw, which means some of the "1st read" throws are because it was the correct read, and not because of a stare down.

Play 2: not 1st read, underthrown
Play 6: not 1st read, good ball
Play 9: 1st read, overthrown
Play 10: not 1st read, good ball
Play 12: not 1st read, scramble
Play 13: 1st read, pbu (thrown a bit inside)
Play 14: not 1st read, good ball
Play 17: not 1st read, decent ball
Play 20: not 1st read, sack
Play 21: not 1st read, good ball
Play 23: not 1st read, good ball
Play 27: 1st read, good ball
Play 29: 1st read, good ball
Play 31: 1st read, good ball
Play 32: 1st read, good ball
Play 34: not 1st read, good ball

Id like to see more snaps obviously, and i'd like to see some better placement on a few of the throws.

I think NY posted earlier a break down from Waldman of some of things he can do well. Of course he has a lot of room to develop, but he is likely the 4th QB off the board after all. I'm banking that shanny can mask his deficiencies early, and that he can develop with time into an elite qb

I'd take Lance over Jimmy right now IMO.