Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Wouldn't mind a small trade up for this kid

Yes please

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I wish there was a list of these QB prospects and what camps they've been to the past couple yrs?

Kyle and literally half of our offensive staff takes part in the QB collective camp the past couple yrs.

https://www.qbcollective.com/about

It's a great way to see what these young QBs have and spend time with them. The only QB that I know for sure that's been to this camp is Fields (because I've see the pics).

Does anyone have any idea if Lance/Wilson/Jones etc have taken part?

That's really interesting, good pull. At least Kyle will know!

Would any of them be subjected to travel restrictions though? That could be an unfair ding in that case.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I wish there was a list of these QB prospects and what camps they've been to the past couple yrs?

Kyle and literally half of our offensive staff takes part in the QB collective camp the past couple yrs.

https://www.qbcollective.com/about

It's a great way to see what these young QBs have and spend time with them. The only QB that I know for sure that's been to this camp is Fields (because I've see the pics).

Does anyone have any idea if Lance/Wilson/Jones etc have taken part?

That's really interesting, good pull. At least Kyle will know!

Would any of them be subjected to travel restrictions though? That could be an unfair ding in that case.

Yup.

A lot of these kids have gone to and still go to QB camps from HS thru college...love to see which one of these guys have been to the QB collective (besides Fields), shanny gets a up close view of whomever does go 🧐

Wouldnt mind getting this kid and letting him sit behind JimmyG for two years. If JimmyG gets hurt, maybe Lance can come in and provide some wins for us.

He obviously has the physical tools to be a Mahomes type of QB. The only question in his football IQ and decision making abilities. He has an amazing TD-Interception ratio, but then again we have to think about the level of competition he faced. It will all come down to the interviews. How dedicated is the kid? How smart does he seem? Is he a great leader? Can he keep a clear mind in big moments? If he checks most of those boxes, i think he is worth the pick.

I just hope Shanahan does his due diligence this time. He really whiffed on passing on Mahomes and Watson.

TDN full profile....

PROSPECT SUMMARY - TREY LANCE

Trey Lance has aligned in the pistol, the gun, and has shown the ability to run the offense from under center. He plays the position with good athleticism, as evidenced by his ability to get out of the pocket and extend plays with his legs. Even within the pocket, his mobility and footwork seemed to have developed. Because he is a threat to move the chains with his legs, he needs to be accounted for in the zone-read game. As a passer, he seems to be able to generate velocity on his throws, which is critical for playing in the elements. He has also shown some touch and accuracy down the field on his deep throws. He needs to continue to develop the subtle nuances of the position to continue to maximize his natural talent as a passer.

Ideal Role: Eventual NFL starter.

Scheme Fit: A scheme uniquely designed to accentuate his ability as a passer as well as a runner.

FILM EVALUATIONGames watched: Youngstown (2019), UNI (2019), SDSU (2019), UC Davis (2019), Butler (2019), Central Arkansas (2020)

Best Game Studied: Youngstown (2019)

Worst Game Studied: SDSU (2019)

Accuracy: His accuracy has been somewhat inconsistent, even with a clean pocket. He flashes moments of excellent throws (5 route vs. UNI, 8 route vs. Youngstown), but has also had some glaring misses. Cleaning up his footwork and mechanics from the ground up should serve him well. He did complete 66.7% of his passes in 2019. However, he missed a wide-open 9 route in the Central Arkansas game (2020).

Decision Making: Over the course of the games he played in 2019, he set the NCAA record for most attempts (287) without an interception. While there were certainly opportunities for interceptions, he's generally done an excellent job of taking care of the football.

Poise: He has demonstrated excellent poise. When the pocket collapses, he never appears to panic with pressure. He has also responded well to adversity over the course of the game, which was evident in his lone game in 2020.

Progressions: The NDSU offense had moments where it felt like there were only half-field reads for Lance. Whether that's because of limitations within the offense, or his propensity to lock onto primary options at receiver, or simply the success rate that his primary option wins against coverage, it is still something to note.

Release: He has a compact, quick release. He has very good functional strength, which allows him to generate plenty of velocity through his throws. He will still miss high on occasion, but his release has seemingly improved.

Pocket Manipulation: He has made obvious strides from 2019 to 2020 in the area of pocket manipulation. You see him subtly evade pressure and climb the pocket to deliver a downfield throw. Also, he has grown in his ability to hold a safety with his eyes and get back to his primary.

Arm Strength: His arm strength has always been very good. The development has been in his ability to take something off his fastball and throw with touch. He throws a catchable football but has proven that he can throw the 5 route from the opposite hash (2019 UNI game).

Mobility: His mobility in and out of the pocket is one of his strengths. He can buy himself time within the pocket with his footwork. He has also shown the ability to extend plays with his legs when the pocket collapses. He is a legitimate threat to the defense as a runner.

Leadership: His leadership has been excellent. In the Central Arkansas game (2020), his ability to rally his team and respond to adversity was infectious. He injected life into that team that got off to a slow start

Mechanics: His mechanics seem to have somewhat grown in the Central Arkansas game (2020). I did observe some of those missing-high throws that were present in 2019. However, it appears his footwork has become cleaner. The consistency in this area will be key to taking another step and not having so many balls sail high on him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

TDN full profile....

PROSPECT SUMMARY - TREY LANCE

Trey Lance has aligned in the pistol, the gun, and has shown the ability to run the offense from under center. He plays the position with good athleticism, as evidenced by his ability to get out of the pocket and extend plays with his legs. Even within the pocket, his mobility and footwork seemed to have developed. Because he is a threat to move the chains with his legs, he needs to be accounted for in the zone-read game. As a passer, he seems to be able to generate velocity on his throws, which is critical for playing in the elements. He has also shown some touch and accuracy down the field on his deep throws. He needs to continue to develop the subtle nuances of the position to continue to maximize his natural talent as a passer.

Ideal Role: Eventual NFL starter.

Scheme Fit: A scheme uniquely designed to accentuate his ability as a passer as well as a runner.

FILM EVALUATIONGames watched: Youngstown (2019), UNI (2019), SDSU (2019), UC Davis (2019), Butler (2019), Central Arkansas (2020)

Best Game Studied: Youngstown (2019)

Worst Game Studied: SDSU (2019)

Accuracy: His accuracy has been somewhat inconsistent, even with a clean pocket. He flashes moments of excellent throws (5 route vs. UNI, 8 route vs. Youngstown), but has also had some glaring misses. Cleaning up his footwork and mechanics from the ground up should serve him well. He did complete 66.7% of his passes in 2019. However, he missed a wide-open 9 route in the Central Arkansas game (2020).

Decision Making: Over the course of the games he played in 2019, he set the NCAA record for most attempts (287) without an interception. While there were certainly opportunities for interceptions, he's generally done an excellent job of taking care of the football.

Poise: He has demonstrated excellent poise. When the pocket collapses, he never appears to panic with pressure. He has also responded well to adversity over the course of the game, which was evident in his lone game in 2020.

Progressions: The NDSU offense had moments where it felt like there were only half-field reads for Lance. Whether that's because of limitations within the offense, or his propensity to lock onto primary options at receiver, or simply the success rate that his primary option wins against coverage, it is still something to note.

Release: He has a compact, quick release. He has very good functional strength, which allows him to generate plenty of velocity through his throws. He will still miss high on occasion, but his release has seemingly improved.

Pocket Manipulation: He has made obvious strides from 2019 to 2020 in the area of pocket manipulation. You see him subtly evade pressure and climb the pocket to deliver a downfield throw. Also, he has grown in his ability to hold a safety with his eyes and get back to his primary.

Arm Strength: His arm strength has always been very good. The development has been in his ability to take something off his fastball and throw with touch. He throws a catchable football but has proven that he can throw the 5 route from the opposite hash (2019 UNI game).

Mobility: His mobility in and out of the pocket is one of his strengths. He can buy himself time within the pocket with his footwork. He has also shown the ability to extend plays with his legs when the pocket collapses. He is a legitimate threat to the defense as a runner.

Leadership: His leadership has been excellent. In the Central Arkansas game (2020), his ability to rally his team and respond to adversity was infectious. He injected life into that team that got off to a slow start

Mechanics: His mechanics seem to have somewhat grown in the Central Arkansas game (2020). I did observe some of those missing-high throws that were present in 2019. However, it appears his footwork has become cleaner. The consistency in this area will be key to taking another step and not having so many balls sail high on him.

Reading that just makes me wonder what shanny could do with him.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

TDN full profile....

PROSPECT SUMMARY - TREY LANCE

Trey Lance has aligned in the pistol, the gun, and has shown the ability to run the offense from under center. He plays the position with good athleticism, as evidenced by his ability to get out of the pocket and extend plays with his legs. Even within the pocket, his mobility and footwork seemed to have developed. Because he is a threat to move the chains with his legs, he needs to be accounted for in the zone-read game. As a passer, he seems to be able to generate velocity on his throws, which is critical for playing in the elements. He has also shown some touch and accuracy down the field on his deep throws. He needs to continue to develop the subtle nuances of the position to continue to maximize his natural talent as a passer.

Ideal Role: Eventual NFL starter.

Scheme Fit: A scheme uniquely designed to accentuate his ability as a passer as well as a runner.

FILM EVALUATIONGames watched: Youngstown (2019), UNI (2019), SDSU (2019), UC Davis (2019), Butler (2019), Central Arkansas (2020)

Best Game Studied: Youngstown (2019)

Worst Game Studied: SDSU (2019)

Accuracy: His accuracy has been somewhat inconsistent, even with a clean pocket. He flashes moments of excellent throws (5 route vs. UNI, 8 route vs. Youngstown), but has also had some glaring misses. Cleaning up his footwork and mechanics from the ground up should serve him well. He did complete 66.7% of his passes in 2019. However, he missed a wide-open 9 route in the Central Arkansas game (2020).

Decision Making: Over the course of the games he played in 2019, he set the NCAA record for most attempts (287) without an interception. While there were certainly opportunities for interceptions, he's generally done an excellent job of taking care of the football.

Poise: He has demonstrated excellent poise. When the pocket collapses, he never appears to panic with pressure. He has also responded well to adversity over the course of the game, which was evident in his lone game in 2020.

Progressions: The NDSU offense had moments where it felt like there were only half-field reads for Lance. Whether that's because of limitations within the offense, or his propensity to lock onto primary options at receiver, or simply the success rate that his primary option wins against coverage, it is still something to note.

Release: He has a compact, quick release. He has very good functional strength, which allows him to generate plenty of velocity through his throws. He will still miss high on occasion, but his release has seemingly improved.

Pocket Manipulation: He has made obvious strides from 2019 to 2020 in the area of pocket manipulation. You see him subtly evade pressure and climb the pocket to deliver a downfield throw. Also, he has grown in his ability to hold a safety with his eyes and get back to his primary.

Arm Strength: His arm strength has always been very good. The development has been in his ability to take something off his fastball and throw with touch. He throws a catchable football but has proven that he can throw the 5 route from the opposite hash (2019 UNI game).

Mobility: His mobility in and out of the pocket is one of his strengths. He can buy himself time within the pocket with his footwork. He has also shown the ability to extend plays with his legs when the pocket collapses. He is a legitimate threat to the defense as a runner.

Leadership: His leadership has been excellent. In the Central Arkansas game (2020), his ability to rally his team and respond to adversity was infectious. He injected life into that team that got off to a slow start

Mechanics: His mechanics seem to have somewhat grown in the Central Arkansas game (2020). I did observe some of those missing-high throws that were present in 2019. However, it appears his footwork has become cleaner. The consistency in this area will be key to taking another step and not having so many balls sail high on him.

Reading that just makes me wonder what shanny could do with him.

Me too.. im slowly loving a Lance/Shanny pairing the more I think about it. From what I've seen and read off of this his 2 biggest flaws is footwork accuracy and reading the field. Which is a typical thing that young qbs have to work on.

Where's his comparison?

Originally posted by krizay:

Where's his comparison?

I'm not sure he has one, there's a huge mix of a lot, but it's very rare for someone to be as much of a runner to also have great passing footwork.

Lance is a strange eval due to the sample size, added to the fact he only played one game this year. It's really like scouting a Freshman, very difficult. For every Lawrence there's a Fromm.

Originally posted by krizay:
Where's his comparison?

I think his ceiling can be a poor man's Patrick Mahomes. But like 'BigMac said, there isnt 2-3 years of tape on him like most QBs and his tape is against D2 schools. But even Shanny said he whiffed on drafting Mahomes because it was too hard to evaluate him. Sometimes you just got to take the risk. If we keep Jimmy on board or have some other veteran like Stafford/Cousins/Ryan, its well worth the risk.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

I think his ceiling can be a poor man's Patrick Mahomes. But like 'BigMac said, there isnt 2-3 years of tape on him like most QBs and his tape is against D2 schools. But even Shanny said he whiffed on drafting Mahomes because it was too hard to evaluate him. Sometimes you just got to take the risk. If we keep Jimmy on board or have some other veteran like Stafford/Cousins/Ryan, its well worth the risk.

I don't know man. Wasted a 1st on solly, rueben possibly mcglinchey. People wanting to gamble on a project. A project that even his supporters are saying could be 2 years.

#12 pick on 2 year project wouldn't sit well with me.

I know I'm in the minority but it is what is. End of the day, don't see Shanny drafting him so really doesn't matter.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

I think his ceiling can be a poor man's Patrick Mahomes. But like 'BigMac said, there isnt 2-3 years of tape on him like most QBs and his tape is against D2 schools. But even Shanny said he whiffed on drafting Mahomes because it was too hard to evaluate him. Sometimes you just got to take the risk. If we keep Jimmy on board or have some other veteran like Stafford/Cousins/Ryan, its well worth the risk.

I don't know man. Wasted a 1st on solly, rueben possibly mcglinchey. People wanting to gamble on a project. A project that even his supporters are saying could be 2 years.

#12 pick on 2 year project wouldn't sit well with me.

I know I'm in the minority but it is what is. End of the day, don't see Shanny drafting him so really doesn't matter.

I see where you're coming from, but QB is different, because if you hit once you're set for 10-15 years. 2 years just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

I wouldn't want to wait 2 years either, and think he could do it in 1.

I think a big part of wanting Lance is at least having some faith in Jimmy. If you have none I can see why you'd hard pass.

I also agree that I highly doubt Kyle would make this pick, still worth discussing.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
I think his ceiling can be a poor man's Patrick Mahomes. But like 'BigMac said, there isnt 2-3 years of tape on him like most QBs and his tape is against D2 schools. But even Shanny said he whiffed on drafting Mahomes because it was too hard to evaluate him. Sometimes you just got to take the risk. If we keep Jimmy on board or have some other veteran like Stafford/Cousins/Ryan, its well worth the risk.

I don't know man. Wasted a 1st on solly, rueben possibly mcglinchey. People wanting to gamble on a project. A project that even his supporters are saying could be 2 years.

#12 pick on 2 year project wouldn't sit well with me.

I know I'm in the minority but it is what is. End of the day, don't see Shanny drafting him so really doesn't matter.

I see where you're coming from, but QB is different, because if you hit once you're set for 10-15 years. 2 years just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

I wouldn't want to wait 2 years either, and think he could do it in 1.

I think a big part of wanting Lance is at least having some faith in Jimmy. If you have none I can see why you'd hard pass.

I also agree that I highly doubt Kyle would make this pick, still worth discussing.

Yeah wasting it on Foster and Solly really hurt, but those were actually thought to be super safe picks at the time. McGlinchey on the other hand has been pretty solid in his career. He regressed this year but I think he will concentrate on gaining his muscle back this offseason. Im predicting a turnaround year for him in 2021.

All I'm saying is that we need to take some risks at the QB position but also mitigate some of that risk by not putting all of our eggs in the same basket. If Lance has the IQ Shanny is looking for, I think its worth pulling the trigger for him. If he doesnt pan out, we would still have Garappolo to keep us competitive.

Wouldnt be surprised if we pass on him but wouldnt be mad if we got him.

Originally posted by krizay:

Where's his comparison?

Not every player has one

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
TDN full profile....

PROSPECT SUMMARY - TREY LANCE

Trey Lance has aligned in the pistol, the gun, and has shown the ability to run the offense from under center. He plays the position with good athleticism, as evidenced by his ability to get out of the pocket and extend plays with his legs. Even within the pocket, his mobility and footwork seemed to have developed. Because he is a threat to move the chains with his legs, he needs to be accounted for in the zone-read game. As a passer, he seems to be able to generate velocity on his throws, which is critical for playing in the elements. He has also shown some touch and accuracy down the field on his deep throws. He needs to continue to develop the subtle nuances of the position to continue to maximize his natural talent as a passer.

Ideal Role: Eventual NFL starter.

Scheme Fit: A scheme uniquely designed to accentuate his ability as a passer as well as a runner.

FILM EVALUATIONGames watched: Youngstown (2019), UNI (2019), SDSU (2019), UC Davis (2019), Butler (2019), Central Arkansas (2020)

Best Game Studied: Youngstown (2019)

Worst Game Studied: SDSU (2019)

Accuracy: His accuracy has been somewhat inconsistent, even with a clean pocket. He flashes moments of excellent throws (5 route vs. UNI, 8 route vs. Youngstown), but has also had some glaring misses. Cleaning up his footwork and mechanics from the ground up should serve him well. He did complete 66.7% of his passes in 2019. However, he missed a wide-open 9 route in the Central Arkansas game (2020).

Decision Making: Over the course of the games he played in 2019, he set the NCAA record for most attempts (287) without an interception. While there were certainly opportunities for interceptions, he's generally done an excellent job of taking care of the football.

Poise: He has demonstrated excellent poise. When the pocket collapses, he never appears to panic with pressure. He has also responded well to adversity over the course of the game, which was evident in his lone game in 2020.

Progressions: The NDSU offense had moments where it felt like there were only half-field reads for Lance. Whether that's because of limitations within the offense, or his propensity to lock onto primary options at receiver, or simply the success rate that his primary option wins against coverage, it is still something to note.

Release: He has a compact, quick release. He has very good functional strength, which allows him to generate plenty of velocity through his throws. He will still miss high on occasion, but his release has seemingly improved.

Pocket Manipulation: He has made obvious strides from 2019 to 2020 in the area of pocket manipulation. You see him subtly evade pressure and climb the pocket to deliver a downfield throw. Also, he has grown in his ability to hold a safety with his eyes and get back to his primary.

Arm Strength: His arm strength has always been very good. The development has been in his ability to take something off his fastball and throw with touch. He throws a catchable football but has proven that he can throw the 5 route from the opposite hash (2019 UNI game).

Mobility: His mobility in and out of the pocket is one of his strengths. He can buy himself time within the pocket with his footwork. He has also shown the ability to extend plays with his legs when the pocket collapses. He is a legitimate threat to the defense as a runner.

Leadership: His leadership has been excellent. In the Central Arkansas game (2020), his ability to rally his team and respond to adversity was infectious. He injected life into that team that got off to a slow start

Mechanics: His mechanics seem to have somewhat grown in the Central Arkansas game (2020). I did observe some of those missing-high throws that were present in 2019. However, it appears his footwork has become cleaner. The consistency in this area will be key to taking another step and not having so many balls sail high on him.

Reading that just makes me wonder what shanny could do with him.

Perfect for Greg Roman for 2 years.