Trey Lance QB NDSU

With no combine and a season that was hit and miss last year, there will be a lot of mistakes in this years draft. There will be less game film and fewer chances to interview and see these guys up close. QB could be one of the biggest problems since it always has one of the highest failure rates. There are always players that get drafted too high or get passed over but I expect more of that this year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's not me, and at this point I haven't done my QB binge watching yet, but so far I have not been particularly impressed with Lance.

For one, he's not particularly consistent with his accuracy. Jimmy can drop the occasional dime too. But how often is he off the mark? Two, he DOES seem to do the "one-read" thing way too much.

JTO wasn't too impressed with him either (pointed out some good things, but also inconsistent accuracy and bad field vision), and I'd take his analysis over anyone's.

But ultimately, we're not discussing if he might become a good QB some day. We're discussing if he's better than Fields as a prospect. Which to me is laughable.

I'm not debating fields vs Lance. You are. I like Fields plenty. All of these QBs throw to their 1st reads a ton.

Jack hammer can S a D his Twitter comments are click bait crap.

give me traits, upside, and drive with a good coaching staff to develop plus a good roster to put around a young QB

No, that mock draft posted had the 49ers taking Lance before Fields.

My biggest problem with Lance over Fields: Fields is more accurate and more experienced.

Regarding Lance in a vacuum, well to be honest, the 49ers don't have much right now. Lance, over time, is probably -- in fact I'd say VERY probably -- an upgrade.

But my comments started here because that mock draft had Lance over Fields, which is ludicrous to me based on what I've seen. Even in Field's worst game last year (the three pick game), NONE of the interceptions were due to lack in accuracy. The first was a "Jimmy" interception (where the QB doesn't see the deep zone defender racing across the field); the second and third were dumb throws while he was getting taken down. It is much easier to fix decision making than accuracy. And as for reading defenses, that is also easier to improve than accuracy, and can be mitigated with scheme.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
So one of you who thinks he's better than Fields want to explain why he missed so many throws against UCA? This is the one full game cutup showing all his plays I've watched in its entirety. There are WAY too many missed throws.

And don't go saying "But it was his only game, he was rusty," because every QB has to play his first game of the year.

I think it's funny that the same knocks you seem to have for Lance I have for Fields. There's no way anyone can argue Lance was a better college QB than Fields.

I think they both have a similar amount of work to do. Fields locks onto his first read more than anyone I watched, yet he also has games where he goes through reads with ease.

I'd be taking Fields if both were somehow available, as I can see Fields' path to his ceiling clearer than Lance. I wouldn't start either year 1.

Lance actually has more experience doing things we do, he's run playaction, from under centre with his back to the D. His footwork is also better.

Fields' footwork is also ponderous from the pocket, it's worth the discussion, but ultimately it's probably Fields.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Blasphemy.

And every year, Lance's mocks are always filled with "insane" selections picks for teams just to get the masses talking.

His mocks are based on what he's hearing

Disagree I think the mocks the week leading up to the draft is when these guys actually try to be correct. This far out they are just trying to get clicks by having a couple of shocking picks and a few players dropping to teams with huge fan bases so they will click to see it it's likely. Sewell to the Cowboys(massive fan base) Fields to the Patriots(massive bandwagon fan base that hasn't yet jumped ship)

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
With no combine and a season that was hit and miss last year, there will be a lot of mistakes in this years draft. There will be less game film and fewer chances to interview and see these guys up close. QB could be one of the biggest problems since it always has one of the highest failure rates. There are always players that get drafted too high or get passed over but I expect more of that this year.

The list of available free agent QBs this year is a panoply of hot garbage (including our 2), so it seems worthwhile to gamble on drafting a talented player to get a backup who could actually make some plays and develop in a year or two. I just don't think we're getting Watson, so JG plus talented rookie (I'd vote for Lance). Draft is always a risk/reward thing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Me, because it's the most recent one, and he only has 18 games under his belt. That's a lot of missed throws.

I have more to watch. I'm not saying my opinion is final, but this sticks out really badly to me. Got more to watch, but so far, there's no way I'm picking him over Fields.

One game after not playing for a yr? Limited practices no idea of a season is gonna happen lol. Stop it. You must have been completely done with Lawrence when he sucked a big dick at the beginning of last yr.

you sure sounded like you opinion was final one page age based off some dude named Jack hammer and watching some ridiculous one game season.

look everyone has an opinion and he's a polarizing prospect, but it doesn't sound like you're based your stance off much.

FWIW fields last game wasn't very good?

Everyone had to deal with that, including Fields.

And no, I saw the Jack Hammer article YESTERDAY. I watched the horrid game Lance had this year months ago. Honestly, I'm a bit insulted that you are claiming that I form my opinions based on what someone else says (If that was the case, I wouldn't have been one of the minority who were harping on Mahomes in 2017).

Fields last game was against Alabama, they didn't lose because Fields was inaccurate in a clean pocket. They lost because it was Alabama. Most of his inaccurate passes were due to insane pressure, but even most of those were closer to the target than what I saw in Lance's last game. He still managed to hit some dimes while navigating the quagmire of a pocket Ohio State had most of that game.

Fields also has way more experience, against way better competition, and is more accurate on a consistent basis. I just can't see it. I can't see how anyone would pass on Fields for Lance.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
So one of you who thinks he's better than Fields want to explain why he missed so many throws against UCA? This is the one full game cutup showing all his plays I've watched in its entirety. There are WAY too many missed throws.

And don't go saying "But it was his only game, he was rusty," because every QB has to play his first game of the year.

I think it's funny that the same knocks you seem to have for Lance I have for Fields. There's no way anyone can argue Lance was a better college QB than Fields.

I think they both have a similar amount of work to do. Fields locks onto his first read more than anyone I watched, yet he also has games where he goes through reads with ease.

I'd be taking Fields if both were somehow available, as I can see Fields' path to his ceiling clearer than Lance. I wouldn't start either year 1.

Lance actually has more experience doing things we do, he's run playaction, from under centre with his back to the D. His footwork is also better.

Fields' footwork is also ponderous from the pocket, it's worth the discussion, but ultimately it's probably Fields.

Yes, Lance has more experience in play-action, but that doesn't impress me. The reason is because play-action passes have simplified reads. In fact that is why all our QBs seem to do so much better statistically on PA passes than in the pocket. It's easier. There would be a learning curve for someone like Fields (and most QBs), but what wins you games is the 3rd and 12's in the 4th quarter where you have to sit in the pocket, not the PA game.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Everyone had to deal with that, including Fields.

And no, I saw the Jack Hammer article YESTERDAY. I watched the horrid game Lance had this year months ago. Honestly, I'm a bit insulted that you are claiming that I form my opinions based on what someone else says (If that was the case, I wouldn't have been one of the minority who were harping on Mahomes in 2017).

Fields last game was against Alabama, they didn't lose because Fields was inaccurate in a clean pocket. They lost because it was Alabama. Most of his inaccurate passes were due to insane pressure, but even most of those were closer to the target than what I saw in Lance's last game. He still managed to hit some dimes while navigating the quagmire of a pocket Ohio State had most of that game.

Fields also has way more experience, against way better competition, and is more accurate on a consistent basis. I just can't see it. I can't see how anyone would pass on Fields for Lance.

Dude you're the one that brought up Jack hammer as some meaningful evaluation and then said all you've watched is one literally meaningless game. Win/lose that game had no impact for them. It was a glorified practice.

that's also not meant to insult you at all. You brought it up not me.

Fields didn't play amazing vs Bama. He played awful vs northwestern and subpar vs Indiana. He's got his stinker games just like every QB in this draft.

like I said I value traits, upside, and overall body of work.

No hate my man

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Blasphemy.

And every year, Lance's mocks are always filled with "insane" selections picks for teams just to get the masses talking.

He's definitely got people talking lol

Dammit, hes succeeded again

It's the new "journalism". Instead of being correct they aim to get traffic for ad revenue. Can't hate the hustle I just hate the integrity

Completely agree. It's why I dislike the Cohns.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Blasphemy.

And every year, Lance's mocks are always filled with "insane" selections picks for teams just to get the masses talking.

His mocks are based on what he's hearing

Everyone has been posting their mocks and Lance wanted to go a different direction to get people talking, and that meant ridiculous selections like Cincy passing on a tackle for Pitts. Lance does it every year.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
So yeah, keep in mind I'm not saying Lance won't be good. I'm saying so far, there's no way in the world he should be picked before Fields, and given his lack of experience, he shouldn't be picked at 12 either. And before people say I claim he sucks, I'm saying he should be picked somewhere in the twenties, late teens at best.

So if the 49ers took him, it should be (1) because Lawrence, Wilson and Fields aren't on available, and (2) after a trade down.

If we draft Lance with Fields still on the board it has nothing to do with who is more pro ready or experience levels and or who is more accurate. It would mean Kyle and John really believe in Lance and think he will develop into a FQB.

If they take him at 12, it also reflects that they aren't going to gamble on getting cute by trading down and hoping to still land him.

Just because we as fans personally might disagree doesn't mean they made a mistake. It also doesn't mean they will be right either.

Personally I don't care who they take at 12 and or if the media or fans thinks it's a reach. I don't even believe in the term "reach" for the most part as there are 32 different draft boards on draft day that truly matter and nobody has the ability to compare and contrast them to truly define which players may have constituted a reach. And even then, teams need to trust their own evaluations and big boards.

I may not like who we take, but I would prefer they trust their own evaluations and draft board and not mine.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yes, Lance has more experience in play-action, but that doesn't impress me. The reason is because play-action passes have simplified reads. In fact that is why all our QBs seem to do so much better statistically on PA passes than in the pocket. It's easier. There would be a learning curve for someone like Fields (and most QBs), but what wins you games is the 3rd and 12's in the 4th quarter where you have to sit in the pocket, not the PA game.

Lance doesn't just win out of playaction, but it's helpful that he's done it, even Aaron Rodgers said he found turning his back on the D strange.

I've watched that game in full, and the context matters, their running game was doing jack squat and his WR's had some key drops. It was a mixed performance, but still showed a level of growth, and they still won because of Lance.

I like Fields as I've said, but it's a lot closer than you're making out.

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Everyone has been posting their mocks and Lance wanted to go a different direction to get people talking, and that meant ridiculous selections like Cincy passing on a tackle for Pitts. Lance does it every year.

I've also seen Slater drafted ahead of Sewell as well. Media drives up guys and the NFL might think differently on prospects.

It's not a big deal it's his 1.0 mock in Feb

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Lance doesn't just win out of playaction, but it's helpful that he's done it, even Aaron Rodgers said he found turning his back on the D strange.

I've watched that game in full, and the context matters, their running game was doing jack squat and his WR's had some key drops. It was a mixed performance, but still showed a level of growth, and they still won because of Lance.

I like Fields as I've said, but it's a lot closer than you're making out.

Agreed

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Everyone has been posting their mocks and Lance wanted to go a different direction to get people talking, and that meant ridiculous selections like Cincy passing on a tackle for Pitts. Lance does it every year.

I've also seen Slater drafted ahead of Sewell as well. Media drives up guys and the NFL might think differently on prospects.

It's not a big deal it's his 1.0 mock in Feb

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. His "version 1" mocks are always because he tries way too hard to come from left field in comparison to other mocks that have an early consistent idea of where some players may go based on rankings and team needs.