Trey Lance QB NDSU

To me, ( and many others), Trey has a ton of potential, both physically and mentally, and more potential than any one currently on our team, including JG... question is, with such a small sample size of games under his belt does that give any FO enough information to base a solid decision on as to committing to drafting him or not ? I don't know, but if there's a good or even decent chance he can become a good starting NFL QB, then I for one would be open to selecting him at # 12 overall if by chance slips to there. In short, the gain outweighs the risk, imo...

Originally posted by highway49:
To me, ( and many others), Trey has a ton of potential, both physically and mentally, and more potential than any one currently on our team, including JG... question is, with such a small sample size of games under his belt does that give any FO enough information to base a solid decision on as to committing to drafting him or not ? I don't know, but if there's a good or even decent chance he can become a good starting NFL QB, then I for one would be open to selecting him at # 12 overall if by chance slips to there. In short, the gain outweighs the risk, imo...

I've really given up on trying to decide how good QBs and WRs are going to be in the NFL. Those 2 positions are so dependent on each other that it makes it hard to project into the next level. A QB that has great receivers and faces bad defenses can look awesome but you just don't know if he will adjust to playing with one or two good receivers . Will he ever learn to read those complicated defenses. Same with the receivers. In college they can gey by with speed in order to get open. It's not that simple in the NFL where even the fastest guys can struggle with double coverages or just getting off the line of scrimmage quickly. Then you throw in the prima donna factor for receivers and it gets even harder. Lot's of busts and surprises at those 2 positions.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've really given up on trying to decide how good QBs and WRs are going to be in the NFL. Those 2 positions are so dependent on each other that it makes it hard to project into the next level. A QB that has great receivers and faces bad defenses can look awesome but you just don't know if he will adjust to playing with one or two good receivers . Will he ever learn to read those complicated defenses. Same with the receivers. In college they can gey by with speed in order to get open. It's not that simple in the NFL where even the fastest guys can struggle with double coverages or just getting off the line of scrimmage quickly. Then you throw in the prima donna factor for receivers and it gets even harder. Lot's of busts and surprises at those 2 positions.

Indeed, I just am just of the frame of mind that because our team should not, ( hopefully), be picking at this point in the draft ,( #12 overall ),in the first round due to our win/loss record, that it might be time for the FO to take a chance on a QB early, and he's the only one of the big 4 QB candidates that might even be remotely available around that slot with out a trade up.

Not sure if posted, but good article from his QB coach, who also coaches Deshaun Watson

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/trey-lances-qb-coach-has-thoughts-may-change-your-opinion-prospect

Originally posted by highway49:
To me, ( and many others), Trey has a ton of potential, both physically and mentally, and more potential than any one currently on our team, including JG... question is, with such a small sample size of games under his belt does that give any FO enough information to base a solid decision on as to committing to drafting him or not ? I don't know, but if there's a good or even decent chance he can become a good starting NFL QB, then I for one would be open to selecting him at # 12 overall if by chance slips to there. In short, the gain outweighs the risk, imo...

That's how I'm feeling about it, but I don't want to trade up and increase the risk. As it stands for the players I think may be available, he's 2nd on my board behind Kyle Pitts.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Not sure if posted, but good article from his QB coach, who also coaches Deshaun Watson

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/trey-lances-qb-coach-has-thoughts-may-change-your-opinion-prospect

Nice, I like this comment...

"I would be shocked if he fell past 12," he told the hosts.

he was on an athletic podcast saying a lot of the same stuff.

My biggest concern about Lance is I don't think he will be ready to come in and play year 1. That's ok but just means we didn't do anything to upgrade the team in 2021 with our first round pick. Heck we'd probably have to move up and get him so we probably would have to give up next years first too.

Originally posted by miked1978:
My biggest concern about Lance is I don't think he will be ready to come in and play year 1. That's ok but just means we didn't do anything to upgrade the team in 2021 with our first round pick. Heck we'd probably have to move up and get him so we probably would have to give up next years first too.

Draft picks should be about the long term.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by miked1978:
My biggest concern about Lance is I don't think he will be ready to come in and play year 1. That's ok but just means we didn't do anything to upgrade the team in 2021 with our first round pick. Heck we'd probably have to move up and get him so we probably would have to give up next years first too.

Draft picks should be about the long term.

Eh, not if you're about to lose all your talent and have your Super Bowl window close.

But at the same time, in truth, it's basically already closed for us. Last year was our last chance. It's rebuild time again.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Trey Lance was rarely under pressure, so this one is a bit alarming. UCA blitz 0. Where's your hot? Why are you looking left? His hot is the shallow route coming from the right. Why are you looking to the opposite side? Dude drops his eyes under pressure and just bails...



Anyways, there's more--a lot more. I'm about to go pump some iron. BBL.

This one and the missed hook do concern me, if I'm Kyle I have them on a shared screen and I'm asking him what he saw, and why he did what he did. Has he been coached re alerts, what's their progression structure. As a RS Freshman he was making half field reads and taking off, can he learn these nuances?

No one is saying this kid is ready to start year 1.

You bring up Mac Jones, but how would Trey look after 3 years learning behind 2 NFL QB's, digesting a pro style offense?

You take the time to develop this kid and he may have other worldly development from where he is now. If it takes you 2 years so be it.

My issue here is I don't think many QBs ever develop that quick, in rhythm processing. Kurt Warner didn't seem to believe that happens often when evaluating Josh Rosen, and I think he's right. Either you have it or you don't, except in rare instances. Lance doesn't seem to have that particular trait. That is not to say that he can't develop it, but as I said, it seems to be rare for QBs to develop it at the NFL level.

And also to be fair, QBs can have some success without it (for example, Colin Kaepernick). No one can deny that Lance has some elite physical tools. But I think it's folly to assume he'll develop the processing ability most (if not all) the great QBs have. And it's a first round pick. So is it worth it to draft I guy in the early first round who will probably never be able to master the quick rhythm passing game that is generally necessary in the NFL for greatness?

^^ That said, he'll be fairly lethal on play-action. And as I've said before, Jimmy isn't particularly good at processing quickly either. He's better than most of these young guys, but not by much. He succeeds because of his elite release, which allows him to throw to his first read, or the wrong one, and still be right often enough (because the ball gets there before the defenders do anyway).

But if Jimmy can have success on play-action, Lance will have a field day with it. So as long as the offense can successfully run the ball, and you don't have to do much traditional passing that requires lightning quick processing, I think Lance can have some success.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Eh, not if you're about to lose all your talent and have your Super Bowl window close.

But at the same time, in truth, it's basically already closed for us. Last year was our last chance. It's rebuild time again.

So what a CB at 12 makes this team a Super Bowl winner? They're losing players regardless of what they do at 12.

Draft picks are about long term investment.

personally the "super bowl" window thing is silly....the NFL changes so much yr to yr, the only thing that makes you a true contender yr to yr is to have a top end QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So what a CB at 12 makes this team a Super Bowl winner? They're losing players regardless of what they do at 12.

Draft picks are about long term investment.

personally the "super bowl" window thing is silly....the NFL changes so much yr to yr, the only thing that makes you a true contender yr to yr is to have a top end QB.

Defense. There was a thing on Twitter past day or so discussing Roethlisberger and Watson this past year. 1 played better but had 30ish ranked defense and 1 was meh! But had #2 defense.

Then there's Kaep and JG.

Defense tops top end QB.

I say that not to suggest CB is the way to go. Just that Defense and even OL trumps top end QB

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Was just told "Trey Lance the young man/student of the game is even more impressive than Trey Lance the athlete", which is saying A LOT. This man is talented as hell, and the amount he was asked to do/was responsible for within the offense at North Dakota State is exceptional. A+

— Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) February 25, 2021

Matt Maiocco brought up something interesting on his podcast, that Kyle Shanahan would like to see a quarterback prospect work under center, have his back to the defense and prove he can still make throws.

Mentions Fields and Lance as possibilities: pic.twitter.com/yftfFZQoev

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 25, 2021

That strategy didn't work so well with Mahomes, Watson and Beathard. Kyle needs to re-evaluate his QB evaluation criteria. At least half of all QBs can learn how to run play-action. Not to many can learn how to quickly go through progressions.

Originally posted by krizay:
Defense. There was a thing on Twitter past day or so discussing Roethlisberger and Watson this past year. 1 played better but had 30ish ranked defense and 1 was meh! But had #2 defense.

Then there's Kaep and JG.

Defense tops top end QB.

I say that not to suggest CB is the way to go. Just that Defense and even OL trumps top end QB

Defense is a collection of talent AND scheme. That can take yrs worth of draft capital and spending money. You don't become a great defense with one player....rams went from 17th to #1 based on coaching more than adding one player in the draft...Tampa Bay had the 29th D last yr, they didn't add anything substantial on D this past off season but went to top 8. Sustaining a top defense is also not something you should expect yr to yr....getting a top QB can change the whole team (on both sides), you get that you have a MUCH higher chance at going to the playoffs yr to yr.