Trey Lance QB NDSU

Originally posted by mayo49:
I still think we end up with Lance - some how, some way.

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I think we need to slow it down with running trey Lance. That's an injury waiting to happen IMO. We already have one injury prone QB and the defense will want to smack this guy around

I see that, but I'm happy in the Red zone, he's a big strong kid with no injury history. The pay off should be worth it, and we would only use it in tight games. Could be worth a few wins, maybe even a playoff win.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup and people need to realize every 1st rd pick isn't Nick Bosa. I don't think any KC fans cared about giving up 2 1sts to watch Mahomes sit for a yr now (not saying that's who he will be).

Also the way Jimmy roles I'll bet money we see more than one QB start in 2021.

draft picks are investments, not day 1 proven studs who get 1K snaps most of the time. I care more about winning for the next 10+ yrs vs if we can make it to the second rd of the playoffs in 2021.

Completely agree that we're talking about find a 10-15 year guy. Kyle & John need to think about the next 2-3 years though. Need another deep playoff run in that time.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Again, the guy coached him so I will take it with a pinch of salt, but I think Kyle needs to take a look. I know he'd want to be secretive if he wants him, but they need to go over film together and decide whether he's going to pick up Kyle's offense.

I'm sure he'll kill it in the play action game, probably more so than anyone with his threat to run, nice touch and footwork.

Can he adjust to defense rolling coverages and recognise and dissect the blitz? I'm not sure we'll find out.

If I had no faith in Jimmy I'd be picking Mac Jones, he's safer and has been seasoned doing the things we need a QB to do.

I have faith that Jimmy can give Lance the year or two that he needs to catch up, and if he develops like the signs suggest he will, he could do special things for us.

Not to mention he's a complete red zone cheat code, impossible to defend our run game, with a boot run/pass option with Lance as a running threat.

Or even better, shotgun, OZ zone, running back picks the hole that he would, but is a lead blocker, Trey follows him, good luck.

I have no faith in Jimmy.

As for Jones vs Lance, it's a tough call for me because physical attributes and mental attributes/vision are both necessary to be great.

The main issue for me is cost. I suspect Lance will cost more to move up to get. Jones might even be there at 12.

But Lance is definitely more of a project, and Jimmy, frankly, is barely serviceable. However, I have so little faith in Jimmy that I feel that Lance right out of the box will not be much of a down grade. Lance is fully capable of handing the ball of or throwing six yards behind the line of scrimmage. Moreover, on "no read" play-action passes, Lance will be able to threaten deep. I wouldn't trust him on passes where a dee zone in a cloud coverage can run across the field and snatch it, but he can throw streaks off of play-action and deep crosses (as long as that ball is near the sideline to minimize his rookie-compounded lack of vision from getting him picked off). And when the play breaks down? Not even close who I'd want out there.

So if I preferred Lance and he was there I wouldn't hesitate. How much more worse than Jimmy could be be? Only on the drop back passing game would our offense regress, and to be frank, it wouldn't be by much.

Why? Because Jimmy is not that good and never has been.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I have no faith in Jimmy.

As for Jones vs Lance, it's a tough call for me because physical attributes and mental attributes/vision are both necessary to be great.

The main issue for me is cost. I suspect Lance will cost more to move up to get. Jones might even be there at 12.

But Lance is definitely more of a project, and Jimmy, frankly, is barely serviceable. However, I have so little faith in Jimmy that I feel that Lance right out of the box will not be much of a down grade. Lance is fully capable of handing the ball of or throwing six yards behind the line of scrimmage. Moreover, on "no read" play-action passes, Lance will be able to threaten deep. I wouldn't trust him on passes where a dee zone in a cloud coverage can run across the field and snatch it, but he can throw streaks off of play-action and deep crosses (as long as that ball is near the sideline to minimize his rookie-compounded lack of vision from getting him picked off). And when the play breaks down? Not even close who I'd want out there.

So if I preferred Lance and he was there I wouldn't hesitate. How much more worse than Jimmy could be be? Only on the drop back passing game would our offense regress, and to be frank, it wouldn't be by much.

Why? Because Jimmy is not that good and never has been.

Ah man, couldn't be further from you with Jimmy, if he's as bad as you say there's no chance we'd have got to the Superbowl.

If you're all the way out on the injuries I'd understand, but they were pretty freaky.

I honestly have no idea who goes higher between Mac & Lance, I bet there's huge division in within the meeting rooms.

I can only see the Panthers or Falcons in a trade down taking Lance before us, but I bet the Panthers take Mac having coached him at the Senior bowl.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Completely agree that we're talking about find a 10-15 year guy. Kyle & John need to think about the next 2-3 years though. Need another deep playoff run in that time.

They need to get the QB position correct....everything falls in place from there.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Ah man, couldn't be further from you with Jimmy, if he's as bad as you say there's no chance we'd have got to the Superbowl.

If you're all the way out on the injuries I'd understand, but they were pretty freaky.

I honestly have no idea who goes higher between Mac & Lance, I bet there's huge division in within the meeting rooms.

I can only see the Panthers or Falcons in a trade down taking Lance before us, but I bet the Panthers take Mac having coached him at the Senior bowl.

Surprising sanity, right there. I would bet Lance goes before Jones, though.

Originally posted by rivercity:
Surprising sanity, right there. I would bet Lance goes before Jones, though.

What's the bet?

Holy s**t, this throw is f**king crazy lol. It didn't count, but god damn, the ball placement is insane. This looks like Brett Favre.

NFL.com draft profile

By Lance Zierlein

NFL Analyst

NFL Comparison
Deshaun Watson

Overview
One-year starter who dazzled in 2019. Lance is mature for his age, but will be just 20 years old at the time of the 2021 NFL Draft. He's a rare dual-threat quarterback in that he's tasked with setting his own protections and reading the full field. Coaches rave about his football IQ and film work. They believe he will come into the league more football savvy than most of the quarterbacks in this draft. Tape shows very average arm strength but velocity should improve with better lower-body drive. While his recognition of coverage danger is a plus, he's currently more of a "yellow light" quarterback who needs to find a "green light" risk-taking mentality to become a playmaking talent in the NFL. An offensive coordinator willing to blend his run/pass talent with a play-action attack could get the most out of Lance, who should become a good NFL starter.

Strengths
Film junkie with high football IQ and an NFL frame.
Makes calls to set his own protections.
Bouncy feet for accelerated pocket setups.
Play-fake aficionado from under center, causing defenders to consistently bite.
Passing scheme encourages full-field reads.
Processes progressions very quickly and can work to his fourth read when protected.
Able to mentally recalibrate his attack when play comes off schedule.
Taking care of the football is a priority for him.
Rarely takes bait against zone defenders and safeties looking to pounce.
Compact, twitchy release partially mitigates his windup.
Makes attempt to throw targets away from coverage.
Adequate anticipation on timing routes.
Makes quality touch throws into sideline buckets and over linebackers.
Knows his way around pocket and can make sudden escapes.
Above-average speed, athleticism and power when he's on the move as a runner.
Able to move the chains in a variety of ways.

Weaknesses
Highly inexperienced with just 318 pass attempts under his belt.
Will be 20 years old at the time of the 2021 draft.
Gets a little lackadaisical with his feet in quick game.
Needs to trust his pocket.
Has a tendency to void pocket rather than sliding and surveilling.
Pressure pulls his attention from deliverable throws.
Needs to become more decisive and trust his eyes.
Leaves lower half behind, diminishing his drive velocity.
Occasionally leaves explosive plays on the field by not getting it out on time.
Leaves too many deep balls short, allowing defenders to challenge.
Can be overly cautious.
Needs to get his slide game up and minimize collisions as a runner.

Sources Tell Us

"He hasn't played much football so he's not where (Carson) Wentz was when he was coming out (of NDSU), but he's talented and very smart. He needs an offense tailored to what he does best and you have to be really patient with him." -- Personnel executive for AFC team

Originally posted by Heroism:
Holy s**t, this throw is f**king crazy lol. It didn't count, but god damn, the ball placement is insane. This looks like Brett Favre.

So he's a film junkie, protecting the ball is a priority and excellent at play fakes? Kyle is like

Originally posted by illinois9er:
So he's a film junkie, protecting the ball is a priority and excellent at play fakes? Kyle is like

it's a pretty solid base to start from as a 20 yr old prospect

Sounds like he's the best qb in the draft according to that report from nfl.com