Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Fields and Lawrence are both good prospects but as we all have seen over the years, you never know which one out of next years QB class is going to be the best. Way too many guys have flamed out and quite a few that weren't expected to be good ended up as real leaders. That said, I'd take a shot one either one of them.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

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Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

Joe Burrow

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:
Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

You think anyone cares that no QB from Texas Tech prior to Pat Mahomes was successful in the NFL? There always has to be a first and the vast majority of Ohio State QB's were mid to late round caliber prospects at best, so really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Fields was also the #1 SEC qb prospect and transferred out of Georgia due to non performance reasons. He's worth the pick.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

No offense to you, but this is one of the dumbest narratives for any draft prospect in any sport.

Let me ask you, what about Ohio State, in their entire history, would make it impossible for them to churn out an NFL prospect?

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
No offense to you, but this is one of the dumbest narratives for any draft prospect in any sport.

Let me ask you, what about Ohio State, in their entire history, would make it impossible for them to churn out an NFL prospect?

Agreed. Not a personal shot at the other poster, but that line of thinking is so dumb. I remember when people said the same thing about CAL+Aaron Rodgers, Texas Tech+Patrick Mahomes, etc.

Programs change way too much over the years to think that way.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

No offense to you, but this is one of the dumbest narratives for any draft prospect in any sport.

Let me ask you, what about Ohio State, in their entire history, would make it impossible for them to churn out an NFL prospect?

How is it dumb? They have had many successful QBs that have done well at the college level but never seem to do well at the NFL level(Haskins, Pryor, J. Germaine, C. Jones,Krenzel). I could keep going. This is coming from a person who was indoctrinated in the Ohio St Football cult at a very young age.

If you are much smarter, then maybe you can share with us your knowledge about which QB has been successful in the NFL.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:
How is it dumb? They have had many successful QBs that have done well at the college level but never seem to do well at the NFL level(Haskins, Pryor, J. Germaine, C. Jones,Krenzel). I could keep going. This is coming from a person who was indoctrinated in the Ohio St Football cult at a very young age.

If you are much smarter, then maybe you can share with us your knowledge about which QB has been successful in the NFL.

Because the vast majority of those guys were never top tier prospects. QBs like Troy Smith and Joe Germaine played really well in a college offense and put up big numbers but nobody expected them to thrive at the NFL level. Germaine was what...a 4th rounder? Smith was a 6th rounder. That isn't "we expect you to be a franchise QB" territory as much as "we're going to take a flyer on you and hope you can at least be a serviceable backup eventually."

How many QB's from Ohio State were flat out expected to be top 5 picks in the draft the way Fields is? That should tell you that he's a special prospect compared to the rest.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

How is it dumb? They have had many successful QBs that have done well at the college level but never seem to do well at the NFL level(Haskins, Pryor, J. Germaine, C. Jones,Krenzel). I could keep going. This is coming from a person who was indoctrinated in the Ohio St Football cult at a very young age.

If you are much smarter, then maybe you can share with us your knowledge about which QB has been successful in the NFL.

Because the vast majority of those guys were never top tier prospects. QBs like Troy Smith and Joe Germaine played really well in a college offense and put up big numbers but nobody expected them to thrive at the NFL level. Germaine was what...a 4th rounder? Smith was a 6th rounder. That isn't "we expect you to be a franchise QB" territory as much as "we're going to take a flyer on you and hope you can at least be a serviceable backup eventually."

How many QB's from Ohio State were flat out expected to be top 5 picks in the draft the way Fields is? That should tell you that he's a special prospect compared to the rest.

It doesn't matter where the QB was taken. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. He is top 2 QB all time. The fact that none of them have found success as a QB is crazy considering some of them were legends and National Championship winners at Ohio State.

Haskins was taken last year in the 1st and he is pretty much a bust at this point. Great college career, but ended up busting.

Sure maybe Fields will be good, but I sure as hell wouldn't take him.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

Joe Burrow

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Originally posted by FranchisePoster:
It doesn't matter where the QB was taken. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. He is top 2 QB all time. The fact that none of them have found success as a QB is crazy considering some of them were legends and National Championship winners at Ohio State.

It absolutely does. By pointing to Brady you're pointing to the exception and not the rule. For every late round QB that makes it, there's dozens that didn't. Every once in awhile someone falls through the cracks but most of the time the NFL largely gets it right.

See my thread on drafting QB's late.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/184003-the-drafting-qb-late-folly/

Haskins was taken last year in the 1st and he is pretty much a bust at this point. Great college career, but ended up busting.

Haskins isn't anywhere near the same caliber of prospect as Fields and some teams reportedly downgraded him for character which we've now seen play out in Washington. Character matters more for a QB than any other position and it seems like he's a guy that simply doesn't have his head on right.

Sure maybe Fields will be good, but I sure as hell wouldn't take him.

Which is entirely illogical. You evaluate the prospect, not the program. If the tape shows that Fields is a legit talent, then its irrelevant where he plays.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

No offense to you, but this is one of the dumbest narratives for any draft prospect in any sport.

Let me ask you, what about Ohio State, in their entire history, would make it impossible for them to churn out an NFL prospect?

How is it dumb? They have had many successful QBs that have done well at the college level but never seem to do well at the NFL level(Haskins, Pryor, J. Germaine, C. Jones,Krenzel). I could keep going. This is coming from a person who was indoctrinated in the Ohio St Football cult at a very young age.

If you are much smarter, then maybe you can share with us your knowledge about which QB has been successful in the NFL.

To piggy back on what Phoenix said, a lot of quarterbacks who came out of Ohio State were not serious NFL prospects.

Dwayne Haskins probably being the best pro prospect they have, a guy who was a one year starter with huge mechanical flaws who was drafted into an organization with zero weapons around him and a coach who hated his guts. Jury is still out on him, IMO.

Terrelle Pryor improved as a passer tremendously at Ohio State, but he's dumb as a box of rocks and couldn't throw a consistent football to save his life. He was taken in the supplemental draft because of his measurables and as a project.

Guys like JT Barrett, Braxton Miller, Germaine, Krenzel, Zwick were never, ever considered starting NFL quarterback material. Solid backups at best.

Ohio State, until late in the Jim Tressel era, was always a 3 yards and a cloud of dust system. Urban came along, but he prefers the read option and simple reads for his quarterbacks.

Ryan Day is a quarterbacks coach. He was one for the Eagles and for our 49ers. While Ohio State runs mostly out of the shotgun and they sprinkle some read option and typical college stuff, he teaches Fields to read levels when progressing through his routes.