Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

OSU's qbs were never looked at before because Meyer favored using the QB as a rusher. Now they're passing more, putting up insane #'s, but people do need to understand it's taking candy from a baby. It was taking candy from a baby running the ball and it's taking candy from a baby throwing the ball.

OSU is 22-1 vs Penn Sate, Michigan, and Wisconsin since Urban arrived. The Big 10 can not compete with them. They're too d slow.

All that bring said the advanced stats still back up Fields being really good. Much better than Haskins too.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

Oh, you just made it clear that you choose to remain ignorant of the arguments presented.

"FIELDS WILL SUCK BECAUSE EVERY OSU QB SUCKS"

Excellent analysis, buddy. No point in having a discussion with someone like you.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

Idk man, what QB from OSU has shown as much talent in every way ? Fields does everything great as of now.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

OSU's qbs were never looked at before because Meyer favored using the QB as a rusher. Now they're passing more, putting up insane #'s, but people do need to understand it's taking candy from a baby. It was taking candy from a baby running the ball and it's taking candy from a baby throwing the ball.

OSU is 22-1 vs Penn Sate, Michigan, and Wisconsin since Urban arrived. The Big 10 can not compete with them. They're too d slow.

All that bring said the advanced stats still back up Fields being really good. Much better than Haskins too.

I agree with all of this. There's the Big 10, then there's Ohio State.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:
My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

How many QB's from Ohio State have been as talented as Fields? Its silly to lump players together in one neat box rather than look at each one individually. Some guys are great college QB's but have no real potential for the NFL. Some guys are great college QB's and have outstanding NFL potential(Lawrence, Andrew Luck, Deshaun Watson...etc). Fields falls into that latter category. He has the talent, the physical ability and all the tools to play at the NFL level. He's not Troy Smith or Joe Germaine who were only suitable to run a very basic gimmicky offense in the NCAA.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

Oh, you just made it clear that you choose to remain ignorant of the arguments presented.

"FIELDS WILL SUCK BECAUSE EVERY OSU QB SUCKS"

Excellent analysis, buddy. No point in having a discussion with someone like you.

Well I can't predict the future here good sir. If I did I wouldn't be here posting on the Webzone would I? I would be working in John Lynch's spot.

Not everything requires a analysis, buddy.

I never said he will be bad, I said I wouldn't take him. Haven't you heard the saying "History repeats itself". I am a firm believer in the saying.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

Oh, you just made it clear that you choose to remain ignorant of the arguments presented.

"FIELDS WILL SUCK BECAUSE EVERY OSU QB SUCKS"

Excellent analysis, buddy. No point in having a discussion with someone like you.

Well I can't predict the future here good sir. If I did I wouldn't be here posting on the Webzone would I? I would be working in John Lynch's spot.

Not everything requires a analysis, buddy.

I never said he will be bad, I said I wouldn't take him. Haven't you heard the saying "History repeats itself". I am a firm believer in the saying.

Just like your dumb post, no reason to read them since history repeats itself.

Originally posted by jimrat:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

Oh, you just made it clear that you choose to remain ignorant of the arguments presented.

"FIELDS WILL SUCK BECAUSE EVERY OSU QB SUCKS"

Excellent analysis, buddy. No point in having a discussion with someone like you.

Well I can't predict the future here good sir. If I did I wouldn't be here posting on the Webzone would I? I would be working in John Lynch's spot.

Not everything requires a analysis, buddy.

I never said he will be bad, I said I wouldn't take him. Haven't you heard the saying "History repeats itself". I am a firm believer in the saying.

Just like your dumb post, no reason to read them since history repeats itself.

Isn't there an ignore button on here?

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

No offense to you, but this is one of the dumbest narratives for any draft prospect in any sport.

Let me ask you, what about Ohio State, in their entire history, would make it impossible for them to churn out an NFL prospect?

How is it dumb? They have had many successful QBs that have done well at the college level but never seem to do well at the NFL level(Haskins, Pryor, J. Germaine, C. Jones,Krenzel). I could keep going. This is coming from a person who was indoctrinated in the Ohio St Football cult at a very young age.

If you are much smarter, then maybe you can share with us your knowledge about which QB has been successful in the NFL.

To piggy back on what Phoenix said, a lot of quarterbacks who came out of Ohio State were not serious NFL prospects.

Dwayne Haskins probably being the best pro prospect they have, a guy who was a one year starter with huge mechanical flaws who was drafted into an organization with zero weapons around him and a coach who hated his guts. Jury is still out on him, IMO.

Terrelle Pryor improved as a passer tremendously at Ohio State, but he's dumb as a box of rocks and couldn't throw a consistent football to save his life. He was taken in the supplemental draft because of his measurables and as a project.

Guys like JT Barrett, Braxton Miller, Germaine, Krenzel, Zwick were never, ever considered starting NFL quarterback material. Solid backups at best.

Ohio State, until late in the Jim Tressel era, was always a 3 yards and a cloud of dust system. Urban came along, but he prefers the read option and simple reads for his quarterbacks.

Ryan Day is a quarterbacks coach. He was one for the Eagles and for our 49ers. While Ohio State runs mostly out of the shotgun and they sprinkle some read option and typical college stuff, he teaches Fields to read levels when progressing through his routes.

I didn't see your post because it was on the page prior so don't take it as I am ignoring your input.

I suppose that Fields could be a better NFL QB because his coach was a QB coach. He would be able to take Fields to a higher plane with better mechanics and such.

I won't say I would take him but you could be correct that he is coached up to be a better NFL player than previous guys.

Some NFL teams do take guys off their board completely because they are at a position from a certain school, just like some guys are always checking out certain positions from certain schools(OL from Wisconsin).

The thing that gets me with you and Phoenix argument is that you guys are saying that because the other Ohio state QBs were drafted later, that they didn't have the same chance as these 1st round guys. For example, look at Troy Smith. Singletary was basically begging him to take the job from Alex. He gave him his chances. He didn't shine. They simply weren't good enough or didn't try hard enough to become a success.

Being a successful QB is more than just talent. Its about the heart and the mind as well. How bad a guy wants it. That is why I gave the brady example to Phoenix.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

No offense to you, but this is one of the dumbest narratives for any draft prospect in any sport.

Let me ask you, what about Ohio State, in their entire history, would make it impossible for them to churn out an NFL prospect?

How is it dumb? They have had many successful QBs that have done well at the college level but never seem to do well at the NFL level(Haskins, Pryor, J. Germaine, C. Jones,Krenzel). I could keep going. This is coming from a person who was indoctrinated in the Ohio St Football cult at a very young age.

If you are much smarter, then maybe you can share with us your knowledge about which QB has been successful in the NFL.

To piggy back on what Phoenix said, a lot of quarterbacks who came out of Ohio State were not serious NFL prospects.

Dwayne Haskins probably being the best pro prospect they have, a guy who was a one year starter with huge mechanical flaws who was drafted into an organization with zero weapons around him and a coach who hated his guts. Jury is still out on him, IMO.

Terrelle Pryor improved as a passer tremendously at Ohio State, but he's dumb as a box of rocks and couldn't throw a consistent football to save his life. He was taken in the supplemental draft because of his measurables and as a project.

Guys like JT Barrett, Braxton Miller, Germaine, Krenzel, Zwick were never, ever considered starting NFL quarterback material. Solid backups at best.

Ohio State, until late in the Jim Tressel era, was always a 3 yards and a cloud of dust system. Urban came along, but he prefers the read option and simple reads for his quarterbacks.

Ryan Day is a quarterbacks coach. He was one for the Eagles and for our 49ers. While Ohio State runs mostly out of the shotgun and they sprinkle some read option and typical college stuff, he teaches Fields to read levels when progressing through his routes.

I didn't see your post because it was on the page prior so don't take it as I am ignoring your input.

I suppose that Fields could be a better NFL QB because his coach was a QB coach. He would be able to take Fields to a higher plane with better mechanics and such.

I won't say I would take him but you could be correct that he is coached up to be a better NFL player than previous guys.

Some NFL teams do take guys off their board completely because they are at a position from a certain school, just like some guys are always checking out certain positions from certain schools(OL from Wisconsin).

The thing that gets me with you and Phoenix argument is that you guys are saying that because the other Ohio state QBs were drafted later, that they didn't have the same chance as these 1st round guys. For example, look at Troy Smith. Singletary was basically begging him to take the job from Alex. He gave him his chances. He didn't shine. They simply weren't good enough or didn't try hard enough to become a success.

Being a successful QB is more than just talent. Its about the heart and the mind as well. How bad a guy wants it. That is why I gave the brady example to Phoenix.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

No offense to you, but this is one of the dumbest narratives for any draft prospect in any sport.

Let me ask you, what about Ohio State, in their entire history, would make it impossible for them to churn out an NFL prospect?

How is it dumb? They have had many successful QBs that have done well at the college level but never seem to do well at the NFL level(Haskins, Pryor, J. Germaine, C. Jones,Krenzel). I could keep going. This is coming from a person who was indoctrinated in the Ohio St Football cult at a very young age.

If you are much smarter, then maybe you can share with us your knowledge about which QB has been successful in the NFL.

To piggy back on what Phoenix said, a lot of quarterbacks who came out of Ohio State were not serious NFL prospects.

Dwayne Haskins probably being the best pro prospect they have, a guy who was a one year starter with huge mechanical flaws who was drafted into an organization with zero weapons around him and a coach who hated his guts. Jury is still out on him, IMO.

Terrelle Pryor improved as a passer tremendously at Ohio State, but he's dumb as a box of rocks and couldn't throw a consistent football to save his life. He was taken in the supplemental draft because of his measurables and as a project.

Guys like JT Barrett, Braxton Miller, Germaine, Krenzel, Zwick were never, ever considered starting NFL quarterback material. Solid backups at best.

Ohio State, until late in the Jim Tressel era, was always a 3 yards and a cloud of dust system. Urban came along, but he prefers the read option and simple reads for his quarterbacks.

Ryan Day is a quarterbacks coach. He was one for the Eagles and for our 49ers. While Ohio State runs mostly out of the shotgun and they sprinkle some read option and typical college stuff, he teaches Fields to read levels when progressing through his routes.

I didn't see your post because it was on the page prior so don't take it as I am ignoring your input.

I suppose that Fields could be a better NFL QB because his coach was a QB coach. He would be able to take Fields to a higher plane with better mechanics and such.

I won't say I would take him but you could be correct that he is coached up to be a better NFL player than previous guys.

Some NFL teams do take guys off their board completely because they are at a position from a certain school, just like some guys are always checking out certain positions from certain schools(OL from Wisconsin).

The thing that gets me with you and Phoenix argument is that you guys are saying that because the other Ohio state QBs were drafted later, that they didn't have the same chance as these 1st round guys. For example, look at Troy Smith. Singletary was basically begging him to take the job from Alex. He gave him his chances. He didn't shine. They simply weren't good enough or didn't try hard enough to become a success.

Being a successful QB is more than just talent. Its about the heart and the mind as well. How bad a guy wants it. That is why I gave the brady example to Phoenix.

I agree with that, but does that have anything to do with what school they go to?

Troy Smith, in particular, had off the field issues at Ohio State. He split time with Justin Zwick when he wasnt being suspended. They would literally rotate every series, it's crazy to think that was actually a thing in 2005. But he took the reigns in 2006, had an excellent year and won a well deserved Heisman.

But despite his success, he still measured in at 6'0" tall and the tape was out there. He played with three first round receivers (Holmes, Gonzalez and Ginn) and all he ever showed was that he had a decent arm.

This is why he was a 5th round pick. Brady, a 6th round pick, clearly wasnt considered a future hall of Famer either, but that's a rare circumstance.

Basically, what I'm saying is that I wouldn't pick a Michigan quarterback over an Ohio State quarterback just because Tom Brady is the GOAT. Also, these intangibles that we both agree are important have nothing to do with what schools they attend.

Ohio State is finally recruiting and landing legit NFL quality talent at the position because they are finally throwing the ball. Proof being that Quinn Ewers, the top pro style quarterback in the 2022 class, just decommited from Texas and will likely sign with the Buckeyes.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:
My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

This is like the same argument a lot of people here were arguing against drafting Aaron Rodgers because Jeff Tedford was his coach and all of Tedford's QBs up to that point he coached were never successful in the NFL ala David Carr, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller.

You shouldn't exclude players because they went to a certain school. Every player is different in their own way. I'm sure there a dozen hall of fame QBs where every QB at that school prior to that hall of fame QB didn't do anything in the NFL.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

No offense to you, but this is one of the dumbest narratives for any draft prospect in any sport.

Let me ask you, what about Ohio State, in their entire history, would make it impossible for them to churn out an NFL prospect?

How is it dumb? They have had many successful QBs that have done well at the college level but never seem to do well at the NFL level(Haskins, Pryor, J. Germaine, C. Jones,Krenzel). I could keep going. This is coming from a person who was indoctrinated in the Ohio St Football cult at a very young age.

If you are much smarter, then maybe you can share with us your knowledge about which QB has been successful in the NFL.

To piggy back on what Phoenix said, a lot of quarterbacks who came out of Ohio State were not serious NFL prospects.

Dwayne Haskins probably being the best pro prospect they have, a guy who was a one year starter with huge mechanical flaws who was drafted into an organization with zero weapons around him and a coach who hated his guts. Jury is still out on him, IMO.

Terrelle Pryor improved as a passer tremendously at Ohio State, but he's dumb as a box of rocks and couldn't throw a consistent football to save his life. He was taken in the supplemental draft because of his measurables and as a project.

Guys like JT Barrett, Braxton Miller, Germaine, Krenzel, Zwick were never, ever considered starting NFL quarterback material. Solid backups at best.

Ohio State, until late in the Jim Tressel era, was always a 3 yards and a cloud of dust system. Urban came along, but he prefers the read option and simple reads for his quarterbacks.

Ryan Day is a quarterbacks coach. He was one for the Eagles and for our 49ers. While Ohio State runs mostly out of the shotgun and they sprinkle some read option and typical college stuff, he teaches Fields to read levels when progressing through his routes.

I didn't see your post because it was on the page prior so don't take it as I am ignoring your input.

I suppose that Fields could be a better NFL QB because his coach was a QB coach. He would be able to take Fields to a higher plane with better mechanics and such.

I won't say I would take him but you could be correct that he is coached up to be a better NFL player than previous guys.

Some NFL teams do take guys off their board completely because they are at a position from a certain school, just like some guys are always checking out certain positions from certain schools(OL from Wisconsin).

The thing that gets me with you and Phoenix argument is that you guys are saying that because the other Ohio state QBs were drafted later, that they didn't have the same chance as these 1st round guys. For example, look at Troy Smith. Singletary was basically begging him to take the job from Alex. He gave him his chances. He didn't shine. They simply weren't good enough or didn't try hard enough to become a success.

Being a successful QB is more than just talent. Its about the heart and the mind as well. How bad a guy wants it. That is why I gave the brady example to Phoenix.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

No offense to you, but this is one of the dumbest narratives for any draft prospect in any sport.

Let me ask you, what about Ohio State, in their entire history, would make it impossible for them to churn out an NFL prospect?

How is it dumb? They have had many successful QBs that have done well at the college level but never seem to do well at the NFL level(Haskins, Pryor, J. Germaine, C. Jones,Krenzel). I could keep going. This is coming from a person who was indoctrinated in the Ohio St Football cult at a very young age.

If you are much smarter, then maybe you can share with us your knowledge about which QB has been successful in the NFL.

To piggy back on what Phoenix said, a lot of quarterbacks who came out of Ohio State were not serious NFL prospects.

Dwayne Haskins probably being the best pro prospect they have, a guy who was a one year starter with huge mechanical flaws who was drafted into an organization with zero weapons around him and a coach who hated his guts. Jury is still out on him, IMO.

Terrelle Pryor improved as a passer tremendously at Ohio State, but he's dumb as a box of rocks and couldn't throw a consistent football to save his life. He was taken in the supplemental draft because of his measurables and as a project.

Guys like JT Barrett, Braxton Miller, Germaine, Krenzel, Zwick were never, ever considered starting NFL quarterback material. Solid backups at best.

Ohio State, until late in the Jim Tressel era, was always a 3 yards and a cloud of dust system. Urban came along, but he prefers the read option and simple reads for his quarterbacks.

Ryan Day is a quarterbacks coach. He was one for the Eagles and for our 49ers. While Ohio State runs mostly out of the shotgun and they sprinkle some read option and typical college stuff, he teaches Fields to read levels when progressing through his routes.

I didn't see your post because it was on the page prior so don't take it as I am ignoring your input.

I suppose that Fields could be a better NFL QB because his coach was a QB coach. He would be able to take Fields to a higher plane with better mechanics and such.

I won't say I would take him but you could be correct that he is coached up to be a better NFL player than previous guys.

Some NFL teams do take guys off their board completely because they are at a position from a certain school, just like some guys are always checking out certain positions from certain schools(OL from Wisconsin).

The thing that gets me with you and Phoenix argument is that you guys are saying that because the other Ohio state QBs were drafted later, that they didn't have the same chance as these 1st round guys. For example, look at Troy Smith. Singletary was basically begging him to take the job from Alex. He gave him his chances. He didn't shine. They simply weren't good enough or didn't try hard enough to become a success.

Being a successful QB is more than just talent. Its about the heart and the mind as well. How bad a guy wants it. That is why I gave the brady example to Phoenix.

I agree with that, but does that have anything to do with what school they go to?

Troy Smith, in particular, had off the field issues at Ohio State. He split time with Justin Zwick when he wasnt being suspended. They would literally rotate every series, it's crazy to think that was actually a thing in 2005. But he took the reigns in 2006, had an excellent year and won a well deserved Heisman.

But despite his success, he still measured in at 6'0" tall and the tape was out there. He played with three first round receivers (Holmes, Gonzalez and Ginn) and all he ever showed was that he had a decent arm.

This is why he was a 5th round pick. Brady, a 6th round pick, clearly wasnt considered a future hall of Famer either, but that's a rare circumstance.

Basically, what I'm saying is that I wouldn't pick a Michigan quarterback over an Ohio State quarterback just because Tom Brady is the GOAT. Also, these intangibles that we both agree are important have nothing to do with what schools they attend.

Ohio State is finally recruiting and landing legit NFL quality talent at the position because they are finally throwing the ball. Proof being that Quinn Ewers, the top pro style quarterback in the 2022 class, just decommited from Texas and will likely sign with the Buckeyes.

See and your last paragraph points to things are changing at Ohio State. They have always been known for a ground and pound with great defense type ball. Then Urban Meyer comes in with the Read Option type of Offense.

That could be a reason why a QB who was considered a pocket passer wouldn't want to commit to Ohio State. The QB wasn't in a more pro style offense to maximize their talents for the NFL to see.

Maybe I have no hope that Ohio State could produce a quality QB NFL starter because since I was a little kid I would follow the Senior who got drafted into the NFL and follow their career, like Joe Germaine, Troy Smith, Craig Krenzel,and they would bust out. I used to want to play QB at Ohio St and never got that high up to play there.

Maybe now you can see why I put no faith in the Ohio St producing a Star NFL QB. True, there is nothing logical about the argument, maybe just a person's emotional connection to a team and being caught in constant disappointment.

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

Joe Burrow

LSU.

He went to Ohio State. He just didnt stay

Originally posted by asu49ers:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:
My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

This is like the same argument a lot of people here were arguing against drafting Aaron Rodgers because Jeff Tedford was his coach and all of Tedford's QBs up to that point he coached were never successful in the NFL ala David Carr, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller.

You shouldn't exclude players because they went to a certain school. Every player is different in their own way. I'm sure there a dozen hall of fame QBs where every QB at that school prior to that hall of fame QB didn't do anything in the NFL.

Agreed.